Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Per Dave Stubbs, Joonas Nattinen and Nathan Beaulieu have been called up, and will be on the ice at 1 PM in Toronto for team practice. Nattinen has 11 points in 37 games with the Dogs, and Beaulieu has 14 points in 32 games. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Nättinen could be interesting for the fourth line. Beaulieu feels... odd. But this is the right time to try youngsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habinator33 Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I don't know much about Nattinen but hearing he's a smart defensive player. So it sounds like he'll be taking Ryan White spot for the time being and playing a similiar role with habs as he did with bulldogs which makes sense. The Beaulieu one makes sense too since we could use a good puck moving d-man and someone better then Gorges/Bouillon on that 2nd pp. Though have to wonder if someone is hurt, someone is being moved, or if they are showcasing Beaulieu since we are at 8 D, then again it does seem like Flu season is hitting habs so that could be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Both Diaz and Eller have "cold-like symptoms", so there ya go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Nattinen is a player I've wanted to see get a chance. Lefebvre really doesn't like him for some reason so he's buried on the 4th line night in, and night out. I wouldn't expect him to log many minutes with the Habs either though. One thing, although he's tall, he's not particularly physical. Beaulieu has been a bit better offensively and if he is in the lineup, could help the powerplay. The untimely defensive mistakes continue to hurt him though...mind you, with the way the D played for most of last night, he might fit right in. With that said, it sounds like these two will only play if one of the guys with the flu can't go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Nattinen is a player I've wanted to see get a chance. Lefebvre really doesn't like him for some reason so he's buried on the 4th line night in, and night out. I wouldn't expect him to log many minutes with the Habs either though. One thing, although he's tall, he's not particularly physical. Beaulieu has been a bit better offensively and if he is in the lineup, could help the powerplay. The untimely defensive mistakes continue to hurt him though...mind you, with the way the D played for most of last night, he might fit right in. With that said, it sounds like these two will only play if one of the guys with the flu can't go. Oh great. Engvist is back. Therrien straight up said both were playing tomorrow, so I reckon if Eller and Diaz both play then Bouillon and Parros are out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Oh great. Engvist is back. Therrien straight up said both were playing tomorrow, so I reckon if Eller and Diaz both play then Bouillon and Parros are out. Nattinen is a bit more talented than Engqvist (not much though). You need another d-man coming out to make room for Beaulieu, Bouillon already sat last game. Murray would make some sense but given it's the Leafs, a team where his physicality/size could be particularly useful, perhaps it wouldn't be him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Oh great. Engvist is back. Therrien straight up said both were playing tomorrow, so I reckon if Eller and Diaz both play then Bouillon and Parros are out. Parros will be in to play the leafs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 Oh great. Engvist is back. Therrien straight up said both were playing tomorrow, so I reckon if Eller and Diaz both play then Bouillon and Parros are out. Perhaps were in for the treat of surprise benchings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Looking forward to seeing Beaulieu play, he can't possibly have any more angst about going in the corner than Diaz has, and he can't possibly top the breakdowns by the entire defense corps the other night. Showcase for a trade, or an early requiem for a puck mover to replace a "puck mover" that's getting traded? Bergevin, just package Diaz and a prospect with Bourque, just so somebody will take Bourque, the lights are hurting his eyes in Mtl, making him too skittish to play hockey. I know, I will get yelled at because some of you think Diaz is "not so bad", well I say bull poop...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Oh great. Engvist is back. Therrien straight up said both were playing tomorrow, so I reckon if Eller and Diaz both play then Bouillon and Parros are out. If Parros is not playing then, then they are afraid to put him on the ice due to concussions. These are the games we got him for. If he isn't going to play now then he's finished. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 How many coaches , consultant are there for player development, how many pro scouts and high paid assistant gm does it take to have so little depth. The Dogs coach doesn't play a player, he is up. If he is that good play him regularly. Stat wise Beaulieu did't develop that well, Pateryn is not the best D there ? He is rightie, let Emelin play is side, Diaz is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 If Gallagher and Bournival weren't developing quickly they'd be ready in the AHL. Instead they are up. As for the defence, I do feel we are not developing them well enough in Hamilton but there's still responsibility for the players to develop themselves. All Montreal can do is set them up for success. Honestly, Tinordi never should have been sent down and should have been given the time to get used to the NHL. However Bergevin had Cube re-signed and brought in Murray so there wasn't that opportunity for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I agree Tinordi should have never been sent down, as he looked better than half the defense we have, but also concede it may very well be for the best for him and the team long term as development. I really think we may see Tinordi and maybe Pateyrn too later in the season, and into the playoffs. Bergevin knows they are better than 3 or 4 of what we have on the present roster, we may see quite a different look come season's end..... Beaulieu gets the early call up, maybe he can stick, especially if we have a trade partner for Diaz. If we don't trade Diaz, I expect him to be re-signed in the off season to my chagrin...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycing Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 I'm disappointed Pateryn hasn't got his shot this season yet with the Habs. I suspect management feels Beaulieu has more of the tools they're looking for as a replacement for Diaz. I can't see the team re-signing Diaz after this year - so if Beaulieu plays well enough to keep his spot trading Diaz becomes a viable option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 How many coaches , consultant are there for player development, how many pro scouts and high paid assistant gm does it take to have so little depth. The Dogs coach doesn't play a player, he is up. If he is that good play him regularly. It should work that way but it doesn't. Lefebvre plays favourites with his players. Tarnasky, despite being a 4th line goon, is a top-6 forward no matter what. Blunden is as well although at least his play justifies it most nights. Leblanc, despite playing well lately, is mired on the 3rd line no matter what. Heck, even St. Pierre, their leading scorer, spent some time in a checking role for reasons I've yet to understand. And Nattinen, as noted, very seldom comes off the fourth line even when he's playing really well. You can't look into a players' role in Hamilton and assess based on that - most teams you can but not this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I ask you guys.... I know he was far from perfect, but did Beaulieu look any worse than Bouillion, Gorges or Emelin last night? Or worse than Markov on the game winner? Personally, I think it was exciting to see a D-man for the Habs that is 6'2", that can skate like that, create offensive pressure on the other team, that isn't wearing number 76...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I liked his game. Seemed to get a lot of even strength scoring chances. That's the kind of dynamic we need to add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I ask you guys.... I know he was far from perfect, but did Beaulieu look any worse than Bouillion, Gorges or Emelin last night? Or worse than Markov on the game winner? Personally, I think it was exciting to see a D-man for the Habs that is 6'2", that can skate like that, create offensive pressure on the other team, that isn't wearing number 76...... I don't think any d-man looked particularly strong last night. He was alright, had his usual good and not-so-good moments. Not a bad game from him for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 You noticed him out there, which is good...but he also made some dubious decisions, I thought. Whatever. Honey Boo Boo will be gone next season and either Beaulieu or Tinordi added. At some point, though, this organization is going to have to figure out its blueline. Is Emelin's regression permanent? If so that changes the equation considerably, because he is an absolutely crucial cog. Gorges is not a #4 guy, and if we can trade him as part of a package to add a winger up front, and then upgrade to a proper top-4 defenceman over the summer, that'd be some wise GMing. As for the idea that Tinordi would develop better riding the pine behind Boo Boo and Murray, well, suffice it to say I disagree. But are the D being properly developed in Hamilton? It wouldn't surprise me if the answer is no; and perhaps that's what you get for treating your coaching system as an affirmative action program for francophones, rather than always hiring the best candidates, period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Is Emelin's regression permanent? If so that changes the equation considerably, because he is an absolutely crucial cog. Desharnais might be a great example of that we have to let a player find their game if they've proven in the past they can be a solid player. David Desharnais 2012-2013 First 24 Games: 15 points Last 24 Games: 13 points 2013-2014 First 23 Games: 6 points Last 23 Games: 18 points DD was less dealing with injury and more dealing with a serious slump. He looks like the guy who deserved his contract again. Maybe we just needed patience? When it comes to Emelin, we know exactly why his game has suffered. He hasn't been the same since the injury. We now have to decide, is it like Komisarek where he's lost a step or like Markov where he just needs to get into his groove? We already saw a few games of him playing like he used to. I think it's just a matter of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 As for the idea that Tinordi would develop better riding the pine behind Boo Boo and Murray, well, suffice it to say I disagree. But are the D being properly developed in Hamilton? It wouldn't surprise me if the answer is no; and perhaps that's what you get for treating your coaching system as an affirmative action program for francophones, rather than always hiring the best candidates, period. With the Habs not bringing in a (competent) veteran blueliner for the farm, the youngsters are getting all the ice time they can handle, perhaps too much even. But that seems to be managements' philosophy, to give them tough minutes quick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 And now Beaulieu is back up. That's actually a bit surprising, I guess they want him to practice with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCPetit Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 And now Beaulieu is back up. That's actually a bit surprising, I guess they want him to practice with the team. That´s a bit ridiculous. I hope there is a good reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 That´s a bit ridiculous. I hope there is a good reason. It would suggest that they'd like to keep him in the lineup. The back-and-forth he has gone through this year is simply cap management. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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