Meller93 Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I dont expect Therrien to be going anywhere if the Habs have any playoff success at all, but there are still quite a few complaints about some of the coaching decisions. Apparently Muller is gettin the boot from the Canes. Would it be nice to have him back? Even as an assistant coach for now, maybe he could be ready in a few years time? I'm not sure, I'm just not sold on Therrien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I'd love to see Muller behind the Habs bench again. Honestly, I also thought Carbonneau was a damn fine coach. Gainey couldn't very well fire himself, though. Every coach has a shelf life. Some day St. Patrick will get fired from Colorado. I'd love to see him come back home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Therrien brought the team from 15th to 2nd and 3rd in the conference in two years. His star defenseman has been reigned in well, (unlike Karllson) and has produced top of the league points in those combined years. He has adapted styles a few times to make good use of the teams speed and limited size. He has done all this without a legitimate #3 or #4 defensman in those two years. Emelin and Gorges are fringe #4 at best. Hartley is a great coach, but is not going anywhere in Calgary. I see no reason to replace Therrien. I'm not convinced on the whole ruining PK thing. His numbers do not reflect it. I think it's hard to argue with results when you look at the team he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I dont expect Therrien to be going anywhere if the Habs have any playoff success at all, but there are still quite a few complaints about some of the coaching decisions. Apparently Muller is gettin the boot from the Canes. Would it be nice to have him back? Even as an assistant coach for now, maybe he could be ready in a few years time? I'm not sure, I'm just not sold on Therrien Ya had to go and start this fight again I think my views on the "genius" who coaches the Habs are well known, so I will recuse myself from this debate. Apparently the standings are the only thing that counts so I really have nothing to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 Ya had to go and start this fight again I think my views on the "genius" who coaches the Habs are well known, so I will recuse myself from this debate. Apparently the standings are the only thing that counts so I really have nothing to say. Hahah not a fight! Just a discussion. I agree that as long as the Habs are winning, there isn't much reason to complain. I've been especially happy with the last couple weeks. I only have one question, and it's something no one can really answer but we'll all have our thoughts. Here it is: Is the Habs' record a result of a good team or good coaching? We aren't at that upper elite class yet like the blues bruins and Blackhawks, but were good. I just wonder if we could be better. Again, I don't have the answers, and I know Therrien's record is pretty damn great the last two seasons, but I honestly think the record is much more due to the talent of price subban, Pacioretty, now Vanek, the resurgence of Desharnais, two way play of pleky, and depth/youth we have. (Good on Therrien to not give up on DD?) I just don't know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I heard Mr. Potatohead could coach as well as Therrien, Gallant & Daigneault have, so how bout PJ Stock, McGuire & Healy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I heard Mr. Potatohead could coach as well as Therrien, Gallant & Daigneault have, so how bout PJ Stock, McGuire & Healy? The three of them are clowns - clowns are no match for mr. Potatoe head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff Price (no relation) Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Therien's not a terrible coach. He's not a great coach. He sits somewhere in between. I mean, I'd love for Scotty Bowman to come out of retirement and come put his geriatric butt behind the bench in Montreal. Beyond him, who are the real coaching geniuses in the game today? Maybe Boudreau? Quenville? Babcock? Who would you get? (It's too early to put Roy in their league, though if his first season is any indication, he's going to have a long coaching career.) I hate Claude Julien too much to want him anywhere near my team. Regardless, none of those guys are leaving their teams anytime soon. Who's going to be available this year? Carlyle? Ha! Tortorella? Oh man. I almost wish I could see that just to watch Tortorella dealing with the Montreal Media. Except he's crap and I actually want the Habs to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Therrien's results have been decent, even if we have been winning à la Leafs of late. But, as is the case with any Habs coach, he's a five game losing streak from everyone calling for his head. When I enumerate his errors they don't look ALL that bad, and his main defense in my mind is that pool of available francophone coaches is so mediocre. Still, he seems like a decidely middle-of-the-road coach, and his shelf life might be nearing its end. I'm worried that he'll get outsmarted by Jon Cooper in the first round, and I can't really see Therrien being the one to outsmart anybody. I expect he'll be fired at some point next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Therrien's results have been decent, even if we have been winning à la Leafs of late. But, as is the case with any Habs coach, he's a five game losing streak from everyone calling for his head. When I enumerate his errors they don't look ALL that bad, and his main defense in my mind is that pool of available francophone coaches is so mediocre. Still, he seems like a decidely middle-of-the-road coach, and his shelf life might be nearing its end. I'm worried that he'll get outsmarted by Jon Cooper in the first round, and I can't really see Therrien being the one to outsmart anybody. I expect he'll be fired at some point next year. See I agree with most of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Bergevin picked MT for his reasons, and will fire him some day, for his own reasons, and right now there is no reason to fire him. Plenty of fans call for his head, indicate he is making the wrong decisions from everything from who he puts in the line up and how much time they play, and on and on and on and on. Maybe another coach could get more from this team, maybe another coach could develop players better, maybe another coach would have us tied in points with the Bruins..... but I doubt it. I think Therrien has got a lot out of this team really. Good playoff position, stellar year from Price makes Therrien look good too, granted, but he has managed to take us from the basement, to nearly the top of the Eastern conference, in a season and a half. I don't see how this team could be much better, you can speculate what if blah, blah, blah, until you're blue, but what do you guys really expect? What do you know and what would you armchair coaches do that would make us higher in the standings, or right now more than the threat we are in the East? He is teaching our young players a lot of good things, like respect, work ethic, and playing the right way, being on the right side of the puck, and having the veterans shoulder the load until the young guys are able to take over. What would the armchair fan/coach do? Play the rookies and young players before they're ready, and allow them to make mistakes and cost us game after game, and maybe shatter confidence like we have seen with so many draft picks in years gone by? I get it, people hate Therrien, but I don't agree that he is doing that bad of a job, and I think we are a real threat in the east, time will tell..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Michel Therrien. Not much to sneeze about with his record. I subscribe to the "Chicoutimi Cucumber Theory" where most of the coaches are average, and there are so many Jack Adams winners to go around. Who knows? Maybe Therrien makes the leap into the first tier like Claude Julien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I think Therrien will complete his contract, but won't see an extension or second term. I think he was hired with the goal of bringing up the rookies and keeping us competitive; but I do not think he has the record and coaching style to make a team a cup stanley champion. Maybe a contender, with all the pieces together: a finalist at best, but not a winner. I am really happy on how he as stablish that "mental toughness" and attitude with regards to "adversity". The team has shown up to play and seems well prepared. Like most fans, I do not agree some of his decisions: Brière's handling, surprise Budaj starts, not playing Galchenyuk at center more often, etc But he has done well, despite some questionable calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Cucumber made a point here that great coaches are few and far between but good coaches with flaws are plentiful. I likened it to goaltenders. Guys like Carbonneau and are flash in the pan goalies who have a few great seasons and then self destruct. Think like Andrew Raycroft. A guy like Mike Babcock, Lindy Ruff or Barry Trotz (maybe should add Dave Tippett as well) is a career starting goalie. Think of Henrik Lundqvist. The kind of guy who will consistently put up career starter numbers for you. Doesn't mean they are perfect or they can't lose but that they give you a chance to win on most nights. Michel Therrien has played in the Stanley Cup finals. He's had far more winning seasons than losing seasons. He can sell teams on a system. He can line match with the best. But he also overplays blue-collar players and has a short leash on creative players. Sometimes for good reason, sometimes not. He plays to win, not to maximize his assets. He's a flawed coach but he can also win. I'd compare him to a Chris Osgood. He'll end his coaching career with extremely good numbers and maybe even a Cup or two but nobody is going to call him one of the best coaches of his era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Bergevin picked MT for his reasons, and will fire him some day, for his own reasons, and right now there is no reason to fire him. Plenty of fans call for his head, indicate he is making the wrong decisions from everything from who he puts in the line up and how much time they play, and on and on and on and on. Maybe another coach could get more from this team, maybe another coach could develop players better, maybe another coach would have us tied in points with the Bruins..... but I doubt it. I think Therrien has got a lot out of this team really. Good playoff position, stellar year from Price makes Therrien look good too, granted, but he has managed to take us from the basement, to nearly the top of the Eastern conference, in a season and a half. I don't see how this team could be much better, you can speculate what if blah, blah, blah, until you're blue, but what do you guys really expect? What do you know and what would you armchair coaches do that would make us higher in the standings, or right now more than the threat we are in the East? He is teaching our young players a lot of good things, like respect, work ethic, and playing the right way, being on the right side of the puck, and having the veterans shoulder the load until the young guys are able to take over. What would the armchair fan/coach do? Play the rookies and young players before they're ready, and allow them to make mistakes and cost us game after game, and maybe shatter confidence like we have seen with so many draft picks in years gone by? I get it, people hate Therrien, but I don't agree that he is doing that bad of a job, and I think we are a real threat in the east, time will tell..... But but but, he is ruining Subban! Plays hunchs (that pay off). Scratches underachieving vets. Play the crap out of a slumping hobbit-smurf until he turns things around. Takes 29th place team and has it on a 108point pace the following year Is a top 10 team likely to reach 100points again. 74-41-12 record since taking over; which I think aint shabby, even though some say team winning despite coaching staff (which is quite humorous take). So, deserves much more praise than jeers, but some just cant be satisfied and 'Be Happy' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I do not think he has the record and coaching style to make a team a cup stanley champion. Maybe a contender, with all the pieces together: a finalist at best, but not a winner. Note that MT already coached a Stanley Cup Finalist, although he lost the series. What does it take as a coach to make a team a Stanley Cup champion? Whatever it is, the following guys had it. These coaches are still active in coaching rolls in the NHL or other professional leagues, and have all won a Stanley Cup: Joel Quenneville Darryl Sutter Claude Julien Dan Bylsma Mike Babcock Randy Carlyle Peter Laviolette John Tortorella Bob Hartley Larry Robinson Ken Hitchcock Marc Crawford Mike Keenan Some of those names are well respected. Others, less so. Nevertheless, they've all won. Are they all better than MT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 n/a since he doesn't want to be head coach ever again: Robinson Not better: Keenan, Crawford, Hartley, Tortorella, Carlyle, Bylsma Equal: Laviolette, Julien Better: Hitchcock, Babcock, Sutter, Quenneville Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Let's see how Subban and Bourque like Iron Mike. #Keenan2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Note that MT already coached a Stanley Cup Finalist, although he lost the series. What does it take as a coach to make a team a Stanley Cup champion? Whatever it is, the following guys had it. [...] Some of those names are well respected. Others, less so. Nevertheless, they've all won. Are they all better than MT? I don't know really who would be the coach that would have what it takes to take the CH to the cup finals and win. It is not all on the coach, but there needs to be a special dynamic between coach and team to bring the team to that higher level. I just think that MT will run out of steam by the time the team has the makeup of a contender. I believe he could still coach them to the cup final, but I do not think he is the coach to bring them to the level required to win the cup. Let's see if this year he can make believers of us that still doubt his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 anybody who can get to the final can win it. I think you're underselling the current habs. I honestly believe they have almost as good a chance at winning the cup as almost any other team going into the playoffs. Sadly, even if it were completely even, that's 1 in 16... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiler Martin Hudgeon Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Geez, if only there was a way to tell if their current staff is sufficient.... Perhaps wildly exceeding expectations two years in a row would be a good gauge of their effectiveness? But of course MT is singling out PK because he is black, it has nothing to do with the fact that he was on the ice for all three OTT goals in the first 5 mins of the game and was responsible for covering the scorer 2/3 plays. Furthermore I recall Tinordi getting benched on Numerous occasions for sloppy play. Mr Wilde compares Subban to Gionta (our captain ladies and gentleman) which is a totally unfair comparison. People watch Subbans numbers and think he is going backwards, he is actually taking a maturity step forwards. This is what Subban needs, he is not the only player on this team as so many of you seem to perceive him. Regardless, to answer this puzzling question, Guy Carbonneau deserves the job in my opinion if MT goes anywhere. he did a bang up job with a weak habs team last time around, and personally I feel as though had he not been such a young coach and had to coach players that he played with it would have turned out totally different. Still, getting rid of MT is a mistake, just like 'Getting rid of DD for nothing' was a mistake that many of you now see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Therrien brought the team from 15th to 2nd and 3rd in the conference in two years. His star defenseman has been reigned in well, (unlike Karllson) and has produced top of the league points in those combined years. He has adapted styles a few times to make good use of the teams speed and limited size. He has done all this without a legitimate #3 or #4 defensman in those two years. Emelin and Gorges are fringe #4 at best. Hartley is a great coach, but is not going anywhere in Calgary. I see no reason to replace Therrien. I'm not convinced on the whole ruining PK thing. His numbers do not reflect it. I think it's hard to argue with results when you look at the team he has. If nominated I shall not run; if elected I shall not serve. Good post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Price (no relation) Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) But of course MT is singling out PK because he is black, it has nothing to do with the fact that he was on the ice for all three OTT goals in the first 5 mins of the game and was responsible for covering the scorer 2/3 plays. Very minor fact correction quibble: PK was only on the ice for the first two OTT goals before he got benched. He finished -3 because he was back on the ice for Ottawa's fourth goal in the third period. PK was not having a good game. You bench ANYONE when that's happening. Edited April 7, 2014 by Jeff Price (no relation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Geez, if only there was a way to tell if their current staff is sufficient.... Perhaps wildly exceeding expectations two years in a row would be a good gauge of their effectiveness? But of course MT is singling out PK because he is black, it has nothing to do with the fact that he was on the ice for all three OTT goals in the first 5 mins of the game and was responsible for covering the scorer 2/3 plays. Furthermore I recall Tinordi getting benched on Numerous occasions for sloppy play. Mr Wilde compares Subban to Gionta (our captain ladies and gentleman) which is a totally unfair comparison. People watch Subbans numbers and think he is going backwards, he is actually taking a maturity step forwards. This is what Subban needs, he is not the only player on this team as so many of you seem to perceive him. Regardless, to answer this puzzling question, Guy Carbonneau deserves the job in my opinion if MT goes anywhere. he did a bang up job with a weak habs team last time around, and personally I feel as though had he not been such a young coach and had to coach players that he played with it would have turned out totally different. Still, getting rid of MT is a mistake, just like 'Getting rid of DD for nothing' was a mistake that many of you now see. I don't mean to cause you embarrassment, but I agree with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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