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The habs better get a deal done before the arbitration date, rather then choose a 2 year arbitration award that will make Subban a UFA in two years.

The arbitrator will easily give him $6.5 to $7M award. In another two years, will be looking for upwards of $9.5M as a UFA. It was foolish to go for the bridge deal, they better try and get a long term deal now!

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I could not agree more, Habs29. Zoot is a contract hard-ass, but it's his own ass - and that of every Habs fan - that risks getting bitten at the end of the day. For chrissakes, just pay up and sign the long-term deal.

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Well the good news is there will be no offer sheets. I am sure that Zoots will get a deal done. This just puts a little more pressure on him and ensures there will be no hold out.

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The habs better get a deal done before the arbitration date, rather then choose a 2 year arbitration award that will make Subban a UFA in two years.

Do you think the Habs would pick a two year deal that would take him to UFA? They'd go for the one year route and try to negotiate a long-term deal next year if they don't get one done now.

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Do you think the Habs would pick a two year deal that would take him to UFA? They'd go for the one year route and try to negotiate a long-term deal next year if they don't get one done now.

either way, going the arbitration route they are playing with fire. IMO, the only reason to go to arbitration is to save money, salaries are going up not down, so whatever award Subban gets this year, he will be looking for an increase again next year. It doesn't make a hell of lot of sense to go to arbitration, end up paying a minimum of $6.5M and not buy any UFA years. By that logic, by trying to save money, wouldn't they take the two year award at that number? IF they did choose 1 year, they are in the Weber situation and how did that turn out for Nashville??

It was a mistake not looking him up for 12 years when they could have pre-lockout, than it was another mistake to go for the bridge contract and now if they actually go through with arbitration for next year's salary, that's strike three. All they have done is push up Subban's salary by delaying the long-term deal. If Subban actually makes it to UFA status, he will EASILY get $10M+ on the open market.

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either way, going the arbitration route they are playing with fire. IMO, the only reason to go to arbitration is to save money, salaries are going up not down, so whatever award Subban gets this year, he will be looking for an increase again next year. It doesn't make a hell of lot of sense to go to arbitration, end up paying a minimum of $6.5M and not buy any UFA years. By that logic, by trying to save money, wouldn't they take the two year award at that number? IF they did choose 1 year, they are in the Weber situation and how did that turn out for Nashville??

It's not the Habs going the arbitration route here, it's Subban (and Eller). They've filed for arbitration to secure themselves a contract for next season, there cannot be a holdout situation like there was with Subban two years ago. They also may want to put the pressure on management to get something done quicker.

The Habs have to decide prior to the hearing as to whether they will be one and two year awards. They can't hear the number and then decide to go one or two years. The saving money suggestion doesn't really apply here.

Yes, we saw the one year route hurt for Nashville in some respects with Weber. However, had they gone the two year route instead of the one (where he got $7.5 M), he'd probably be playing somewhere else right now. Although they're paying him more than they'd like to, they still have the player.

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It's not the Habs going the arbitration route here, it's Subban (and Eller). They've filed for arbitration to secure themselves a contract for next season, there cannot be a holdout situation like there was with Subban two years ago. They also may want to put the pressure on management to get something done quicker.

The Habs have to decide prior to the hearing as to whether they will be one and two year awards. They can't hear the number and then decide to go one or two years. The saving money suggestion doesn't really apply here.

Yes, we saw the one year route hurt for Nashville in some respects with Weber. However, had they gone the two year route instead of the one (where he got $7.5 M), he'd probably be playing somewhere else right now. Although they're paying him more than they'd like to, they still have the player.

I do think the money savings will apply. When you look at comparables, Subban would probably get $7M on a two year deal (what Phaneuf makes), with an outside chance at $7.5M. On a long-term deal, he is looking at $8M+ now.

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Eller going to arbitration is not going to get him a raise, he may lose money.

The team may have wanted Subban to go to arbitration to get rid of the offer sheet angle. He will get signed 7 million maybe 7.5 for 8 years. It only makes sense.

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I do think the money savings will apply. When you look at comparables, Subban would probably get $7M on a two year deal (what Phaneuf makes), with an outside chance at $7.5M. On a long-term deal, he is looking at $8M+ now.

My money savings comment applies to your suggestion that the Habs did this to potentially get the savings. They didn't file, Subban did so it can't be said that Montreal is doing this for savings; they're not the ones who started this process. You are correct though that a short-term deal would cost less than a long-term one.

That said, is it worth risking losing Subban in free agency in two years to try to save a million or so for the next two seasons? Barring a major move, it looks as if Montreal will be in reasonable shape cap-wise this coming year so there would be no need to get that savings for 2014-15. The following season is a bit iffier but if need be, they can go short-term with one or both of Galchenyuk/Gallagher to accommodate the extra salary from a Subban long-term deal compared to a two year award. I'm quite confident in saying there's little desire on the Habs' end to go short-term here. If they're forced to do so, they'll opt for the one year award and attempt to get a long-term deal done between next January and July. That's the safe play to make.

Eller going to arbitration is not going to get him a raise, he may lose money.

No, he can't take a pay cut. He can receive no less than his QO of $1.5 million. The only time you can get a pay cut in arbitration is if it's club-elected in lieu of a QO with a June deadline which is what Colorado (O'Reilly) and Winnipeg (Frolik) did this year. This was player-elected in July so the minimum award is the qualifying offer.

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No, he can't take a pay cut. He can receive no less than his QO of $1.5 million. The only time you can get a pay cut in arbitration is if it's club-elected in lieu of a QO with a June deadline which is what Colorado (O'Reilly) and Winnipeg (Frolik) did this year. This was player-elected in July so the minimum award is the qualifying offer.

I should have put my smiley face on there. Sarcasm doesn't do well in this format.

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My money savings comment applies to your suggestion that the Habs did this to potentially get the savings. They didn't file, Subban did so it can't be said that Montreal is doing this for savings; they're not the ones who started this process. You are correct though that a short-term deal would cost less than a long-term one.

That said, is it worth risking losing Subban in free agency in two years to try to save a million or so for the next two seasons? Barring a major move, it looks as if Montreal will be in reasonable shape cap-wise this coming year so there would be no need to get that savings for 2014-15. The following season is a bit iffier but if need be, they can go short-term with one or both of Galchenyuk/Gallagher to accommodate the extra salary from a Subban long-term deal compared to a two year award. I'm quite confident in saying there's little desire on the Habs' end to go short-term here. If they're forced to do so, they'll opt for the one year award and attempt to get a long-term deal done between next January and July. That's the safe play to make.

No, he can't take a pay cut. He can receive no less than his QO of $1.5 million. The only time you can get a pay cut in arbitration is if it's club-elected in lieu of a QO with a June deadline which is what Colorado (O'Reilly) and Winnipeg (Frolik) did this year. This was player-elected in July so the minimum award is the qualifying offer.

I think Eller's playoff stats may play a higher factor. If you look at his regular season vs playoff stats, they compare favourably to guys like Bickell, bolland and Joel Ward. So I think he can be awarded a much higher salary than his current $1.5m.

The real question is, how can we get Bouillon back for less than 5 million?!

I'd pay $5m for Bouillon to go fly a kite and never return!!
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guys there is a lot of 20/20 vision going on in here, at the time of the deal most people thought it was crazy to even consider signing subban for upwards of 5 million long term, he hadn't won a norris yet, was a healthy scratch a few times that season for his playing with fire type escapades.

the bridge deal did exactly what it was supposed to do, give Subban 2 years to prove his true value, and he did just that with 2 great seasons in a row. Now as an organization we can't be scared to shell out superstar money for a superstar, because we now know for sure, that is what he is, but thats only thanks to the bridge contract. It is easy to say NOW that we could have got him at bargain price, but that was one hell of a gamble to make at the time.

i'm expecting an 8 year deal in the ball park of 64 million, and based on what i've seen from him in the past 2 years, i'm perfectly fine with that.

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I think the current CBA limits contracts to a maximum of 7 years. (Contracts signed before the new CBA, like Shea Weber's 14 year deal signed in 2012, are not affected by this.)

We give him 7 years, $56 million. No ifs, ands or buts...just offer it and get it signed.

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8 years for your own free agent, 7 for signings from other teams.

I think the current CBA limits contracts to a maximum of 7 years. (Contracts signed before the new CBA, like Shea Weber's 14 year deal signed in 2012, are not affected by this.)

We give him 7 years, $56 million. No ifs, ands or buts...just offer it and get it signed.

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I don't thinks its hindsight in play, and no I also don't think Subban having to go out and prove himself led him to the Norris.

LAK wanted to sign doughty to a bridge deal, he held out and got the money he wanted and that didn't hurt him any. Tavares took a step forward after signing a very affordable 6 year deal.

Guys with talent and work ethic (Subban had both), will succeed. I was pushing for a 12 yr/$5m deal with before the lockout. Can you imagine our position today if we had Maxpac and Subban locked up for $9.5m or even $10m right now??

guys there is a lot of 20/20 vision going on in here, at the time of the deal most people thought it was crazy to even consider signing subban for upwards of 5 million long term, he hadn't won a norris yet, was a healthy scratch a few times that season for his playing with fire type escapades.

the bridge deal did exactly what it was supposed to do, give Subban 2 years to prove his true value, and he did just that with 2 great seasons in a row. Now as an organization we can't be scared to shell out superstar money for a superstar, because we now know for sure, that is what he is, but thats only thanks to the bridge contract. It is easy to say NOW that we could have got him at bargain price, but that was one hell of a gamble to make at the time.

i'm expecting an 8 year deal in the ball park of 64 million, and based on what i've seen from him in the past 2 years, i'm perfectly fine with that.

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I think Eller's playoff stats may play a higher factor. If you look at his regular season vs playoff stats, they compare favourably to guys like Bickell, bolland and Joel Ward. So I think he can be awarded a much higher salary than his current $1.5m.

Those are all UFA players, Eller is an RFA, it's salaries in an open market system when Eller himself is in a restricted system (thus not comparable). Eller's agents need to present comparables that are in that same age range (23-27 year old RFA's), not those of older players on the UFA market.

He'll get a higher salary than his QO regardless. I'd expect a one year award to be somewhere between $1.9 and $2.5 million.

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$2m to $2.5m is what I think as well. I think those expecting a decline or close to the same salary are delusional.

MB did a great job getting Maxpac on a 6 yr deal - although I really think that was more initiated by Maxpac, given his injury history. I really hope he locks Eller up for at least 4 to 5 years.

With the East being so weak, I really think any team having depth and a bit of luck can get to the finals.

Those are all UFA players, Eller is an RFA, it's salaries in an open market system when Eller himself is in a restricted system (thus not comparable). Eller's agents need to present comparables that are in that same age range (23-27 year old RFA's), not those of older players on the UFA market.

He'll get a higher salary than his QO regardless. I'd expect a one year award to be somewhere between $1.9 and $2.5 million.

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The real question is, how can we get Bouillon back for less than 5 million?!

And the big question is "to do what"? We need to upgrade the defence.

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For some reason.. I think Zoot would be slick enough to want arbitration pending.. to avoid offer sheets down the stretch.


And the big question is "to do what"? We need to upgrade the defence.

Im prrreeettty sure that was blatant sarcasm... (!?) btw..

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With the East being so weak, I really think any team having depth and a bit of luck can get to the finals.

Agreed. The east is a whirlwind. Ass the world turns.. Booins stagnant, Pens frantic, Rags over-confident, NJ eclectically compromised, Flyers Hextall Snow-esqueness, Detroit Jim Nill-less?, Caps=over expenditures..it's Washington.. nobody notices. Sens have zero capital gains, Sabres Canes & Makebalieves.. maybe next next year! Habs CBJ Bolts & young Cats will be difference makers.. Honorable mention Isles.. Tavares + depth and young vets.. eventually finally.

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I aint got a clue how much Eller/Subban will get and am sure Bergevin and his cap-ologist have crunched the salary & term numbers every which way they can.

So not too worried about it (other than curiosity) and between them I would guess will be $10 to $12m going their way.

I am not a fan of long contracts, vast majority don't end well (Gorges was latest one), someone said 12 year deal which is way too long term, unless playing a non-contact sport like baseball.

And I would cringe at even a 7-8 year deal for Subban, but he may be a good one to sign long term deal?

If can sign him 5-6 years, would make me much 'happier'.

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I have no problem with a long-term deal for an obvious superstar like Subban. I understand why MB went the "bridge" route last time, but it's time to pony up.

I disagree strongly that we should attempt a long-term deal for Eller. True, if he (finally!) blossoms, it's a great move. If he remains a Rene Bourquish enigma, then that becomes an even worse contract than (say) Gorges's. Imagine if we'd done the same with Bulis or Kostitsyn or Komisarek or Latendresse or Ribeiro. Eller seems to me to be almost an archetypical example of a shorter-term or "bridge" situation. The guy has yet to prove anything other than that he can look great for three-week stretches every now and then.

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