Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I like what the Sportsnet guy said. The PP is too cute. Skill not being used properly. They need more structure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Don't need a Bubba Watson wind-up slapshot by Subban evey time, Tinordi was almost as dangerous just wristing puck to the slot and let Gallagher scamble for puck. How can you go couple PPs with ZERO shots? Got to work hard to manage that, when easily set up in opposition for most of PP time. If don't shoot, unlikely to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 So the powerplay sucks and he just sits there letting it happen?! Fire him. you would fire jodoin because boucher can't get the pp going? We need a coach who can run the pp and get it moving. In all the great teams we had surely there is a coach that show the guys what to do. It is not talent cause we got that in spades. The pp just seems to be predictable and not very organised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Like I said in the game thread, our PP lacks imagination. We do the same thing all the time. Other teams know what were gonna do before we do it! Also, it would be nice to see someone other that Gally park his ass in front of the Net. When a goalie sees the puck, he's gonna stop it 95% of the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 PPs isn't always an easy/simple fix, Crosby-Malkin-Letang-Gonchar used to simply suck as a group on PP, which was hard to believe with all that skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I would separate Markov and Subban as well. It is pretty obvious that they are both more efficient on the Left side during the PP. Subban with his shot and Markov with his setup abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Like I said in the game thread, our PP lacks imagination. We do the same thing all the time. Other teams know what were gonna do before we do it! Also, it would be nice to see someone other that Gally park his ass in front of the Net. When a goalie sees the puck, he's gonna stop it 95% of the time! exactly......... we/they can dance around the issue. as if its some big mystery. if you dont have several players willing to do that job in front of the net ............. the powerplay will have major dry spells and over all will rank among the weaker clubs. remember markov, souray, koivu. kovy. ryder ...... unstoppable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Like I said in the game thread, our PP lacks imagination. We do the same thing all the time. Other teams know what were gonna do before we do it! Also, it would be nice to see someone other that Gally park his ass in front of the Net. When a goalie sees the puck, he's gonna stop it 95% of the time! Agreed, totally. Need a bigger net front presence, maybe even two guys to go there at times, something better down low, to make teams defend the down low play. Then the point shot will have a better chance to do damage, a tip, a rebound, or just a seeing eye shot because the point man has more time. Too much mis-directed skill, and not enough crash the net imho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 even if we have that net presence.... if the entire 2 minutes is spent trying to enter the zone and we have markov and subban flip flopping constantly and PK is skating all over the place.... where is the shots, imagination? we can't even gain the zone and when we do and subban is on the left point waiting to unleash a bomb you have markov so far away from him in order to square up to give him that shot ( unless he is feeding him off his backhand it will never work on a consistent basis unless the shot is perfectly placed) earlier it was stated how unstoppable the PP of years past was... why?? because if you look at a stable point on the power play like I've been preaching for like forever on the PP for example (stability meaning the defenders stay on each of there points and refrain from erratic play on the blue line lefty feeding lefty or righty feeding righty)..... -markov on left feeding the one timer on the right point w/ left shot (play 1) this is a quick cross ice one timer not a stop caulk and shoot that were seeing from PK because its just not working -defender takes away that point shot leaving space for the cross ice pass to patch for one timer from marky (option 2) -markov can also go down low with a pass to gallagher who can jam the post or go cross crease to patch(option3) -DD behind net can go to the boards back to patch for shot from the hash (option 5) or give and go down low (option6)) -dd up high to subban or find marky creeping up on the back door play. (options 7 and 8). - cycling the puck on the PP is for chumps... we have an extra man on the ice and should gain zone and keep possession. find open players for ideal shots while having the goalie moving lateral so to open gaps in the net. this only works when you have your forwards skating through or standing in front of goal. but if the shots from the point are coming after per say PK stops the puck squares up and shoots its giving the PK'ers to much time to box out, block shots and the goalie to get into position. there is no problem with movement on the PP from the forwards. or the defenders sneaking up for the back door. but the players need to know that marky is the outlet on the point. the safety net that if the cycle starts you can swing the puck around the boards and his left stick is there on the boards to regroup and start over... stability, structure and presence on the PP starts with the defenders on the point and its just not working long term over the last 2 seasons with PK and marky.... i believe the staff knows this but aren't willing to demote either quite yet from the 1st unit.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 now remove all players names and insert markov, souray, schneider, streit, bergeron kovy, koivu, ryder plex etc... etc.. what is the common denominator here... thats right a stable presence on the points Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 even if we have that net presence.... if the entire 2 minutes is spent trying to enter the zone and we have markov and subban flip flopping constantly and PK is skating all over the place.... where is the shots, imagination? we can't even gain the zone and when we do and subban is on the left point waiting to unleash a bomb you have markov so far away from him in order to square up to give him that shot ( unless he is feeding him off his backhand it will never work on a consistent basis unless the shot is perfectly placed) earlier it was stated how unstoppable the PP of years past was... why?? because if you look at a stable point on the power play like I've been preaching for like forever on the PP for example (stability meaning the defenders stay on each of there points and refrain from erratic play on the blue line lefty feeding lefty or righty feeding righty)..... -markov on left feeding the one timer on the right point w/ left shot (play 1) this is a quick cross ice one timer not a stop caulk and shoot that were seeing from PK because its just not working -defender takes away that point shot leaving space for the cross ice pass to patch for one timer from marky (option 2) -markov can also go down low with a pass to gallagher who can jam the post or go cross crease to patch(option3) -DD behind net can go to the boards back to patch for shot from the hash (option 5) or give and go down low (option6)) -dd up high to subban or find marky creeping up on the back door play. (options 7 and 8). - cycling the puck on the PP is for chumps... we have an extra man on the ice and should gain zone and keep possession. find open players for ideal shots while having the goalie moving lateral so to open gaps in the net. this only works when you have your forwards skating through or standing in front of goal. but if the shots from the point are coming after per say PK stops the puck squares up and shoots its giving the PK'ers to much time to box out, block shots and the goalie to get into position. there is no problem with movement on the PP from the forwards. or the defenders sneaking up for the back door. but the players need to know that marky is the outlet on the point. the safety net that if the cycle starts you can swing the puck around the boards and his left stick is there on the boards to regroup and start over... stability, structure and presence on the PP starts with the defenders on the point and its just not working long term over the last 2 seasons with PK and marky.... i believe the staff knows this but aren't willing to demote either quite yet from the 1st unit.... you are hired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The problem on the powerplay is the forwards. They aren't a threat. If the forwards could get something going down low, that would open up Markov and Subban. Changing up Markov and Subban would help with one-timers, but until there's a threat down low teams will keep cheating towards the points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The problem on the powerplay is the forwards. They aren't a threat. If the forwards could get something going down low, that would open up Markov and Subban. Changing up Markov and Subban would help with one-timers, but until there's a threat down low teams will keep cheating towards the points. Yep, and in less than a thousand words.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Subban & Markov were top 2 goal scoring PP d-men in 12-13, but last year and a bit the PP just not working for Gallant nor Lecroix schemes. And as in Vancouver they went 2 PPs with zero shots, even with lots of zone time. Surely one of the 5 should be able to get 1 puck on net? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 The problem on the powerplay is the forwards. They aren't a threat. If the forwards could get something going down low, that would open up Markov and Subban. Changing up Markov and Subban would help with one-timers, but until there's a threat down low teams will keep cheating towards the points. "problem is the forwards" ....yes more specific which forwards . well from what i have seen and read on here Galagher is not a problem. Pax has the big shot and has proven he can hit the back of the net. Not the problem. Gally getting open and shooting. hmmmm. The centermen? Think we should call Columbo to solve this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronthab Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 even if we have that net presence.... if the entire 2 minutes is spent trying to enter the zone and we have markov and subban flip flopping constantly and PK is skating all over the place.... where is the shots, imagination? we can't even gain the zone and when we do and subban is on the left point waiting to unleash a bomb you have markov so far away from him in order to square up to give him that shot ( unless he is feeding him off his backhand it will never work on a consistent basis unless the shot is perfectly placed) earlier it was stated how unstoppable the PP of years past was... why?? because if you look at a stable point on the power play like I've been preaching for like forever on the PP for example (stability meaning the defenders stay on each of there points and refrain from erratic play on the blue line lefty feeding lefty or righty feeding righty)..... -markov on left feeding the one timer on the right point w/ left shot (play 1) this is a quick cross ice one timer not a stop caulk and shoot that were seeing from PK because its just not working -defender takes away that point shot leaving space for the cross ice pass to patch for one timer from marky (option 2) -markov can also go down low with a pass to gallagher who can jam the post or go cross crease to patch(option3) -DD behind net can go to the boards back to patch for shot from the hash (option 5) or give and go down low (option6)) -dd up high to subban or find marky creeping up on the back door play. (options 7 and 8). - cycling the puck on the PP is for chumps... we have an extra man on the ice and should gain zone and keep possession. find open players for ideal shots while having the goalie moving lateral so to open gaps in the net. this only works when you have your forwards skating through or standing in front of goal. but if the shots from the point are coming after per say PK stops the puck squares up and shoots its giving the PK'ers to much time to box out, block shots and the goalie to get into position. there is no problem with movement on the PP from the forwards. or the defenders sneaking up for the back door. but the players need to know that marky is the outlet on the point. the safety net that if the cycle starts you can swing the puck around the boards and his left stick is there on the boards to regroup and start over... stability, structure and presence on the PP starts with the defenders on the point and its just not working long term over the last 2 seasons with PK and marky.... i believe the staff knows this but aren't willing to demote either quite yet from the 1st unit.... Ya, but when you really analyze it....er.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Ya, but when you really analyze it....er.. LOL. yes , could you be more specific. elaborate a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Decline the penalty. /power play fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 gonchar will fix it LMAO ! who made this deal........gord stellick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 gonchar will fix it LMAO ! who made this deal........gord stellick? Gonchar did have more PP points than super d-man McDonagh (and many other top 4 d-men) did last year, so yes he may help with PP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 i don't know..... I've been asking for a lefty to play the point with markov for over a year.... has MB finally listened? he heard my pleas to move gorges and bring in a righty (weaver) last year.... i think he might be following me on twitter...lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share Posted November 12, 2014 with that said, will MT have the guts to be as bold as MB is in the office, and move subban on the first unit and put gonchar on the right? maybe try subban on the left half boards?? I'm just salivating a bit at the prospect of these 2 russians running our power play, it could be a match made in heaven! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Gonchar did have more PP points than super d-man McDonagh (and many other top 4 d-men) did last year, so yes he may help with PP. when you have andre markov, pk subban, nathan beuilue, gilbert ................... and the help for the powerplay is going to be 40 year old sergi gonchar? pathetic is too harsh a word....but close. zero confidence in your ability to coach, teach, develope and play two of your first round, first rate prospects. two kids with talent and jam. with makov on one pair, gonchar on another, do ya think we can get gill back............. see if we could be the slowest d in the nhl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Gonchar did have more PP points than super d-man McDonagh (and many other top 4 d-men) did last year, so yes he may help with PP. he had a total of 20 points and 14 on the PP last year, despite getting prime minutes. That aint happening in Montreal unless MT totally loses his mind and plays him over Subban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 time for Eller line to get pp time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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