dlbalr Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I leave for the afternoon and by the time I'm out of the driveway, this happens. Sorry for the delay, my trade write-up is on the site now. Short-term, I'd expect Tinordi or Beaulieu (likely the former) to go back to Hamilton and a forward up (if he weren't just coming from injury, I'd have guessed Tangradi but it might a youngster for now). That should open up a tad bit more cap space at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 This is the first move that Bergevin has made that I don't like. Gonchar is beyond washed up. I honestly rather have Moen playing on the 4th line and killing penalties then Gonchar anywhere on the ice. I understand it frees up the 2nd year of Moen's contract but I'm just not happy with this trade. got that right. if gonchar plays ahead of the kids for even one shift it is moronic! he was washed up when pittsburhg kicked him to the curb nearly 5 years ago. if he was a top six dman yopu would not get him for a washed up healthy scratch fourth liner. like radio caller said earlier........if gonchar plays its a old leaf like trade. anything not to develope your own dmen. i am seriously hoping this is a purely garbage for garbage depth move. with what the habs have now on d gonchar would be the no 8 man. if he becomes the no 6 man ..... did they learn nothing from kabby? if he plays ahead of the kids shame on MB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Seems pretty clear that the organization is not sold on Beaulieu. That said, all Great Nate has to do is outplay Gonchar; and Gonchar is on the books for this year only. MB was looking around for PP help and defensive depth. At the end of the day this trade is not a big deal. not a big deal...................but a big joke if gonchar can make the montreal canadiens top six d ! thats a laugher ! what kabby injured? Weird trade. Pros - Could fix our PP - UFA in the summer - Offensive depth for back-end - Weise made Moen redundant - We can now employ a left defence that's completely Russian Cons - Clogs our cap at deadline - People complain about Markov looking old and slow? - Dallas hated him - Could find himself often on the IR - Could mean Beaulieu sitting I'll miss Moen. Thought he always gave us 100%. Think he was a big influence in the locker room. At least we still got a guy with a ring in the locker room. lmao ! "could fix our powerplay" HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA who you been talking to?..... Gautier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I leave for the afternoon and by the time I'm out of the driveway, this happens. Sorry for the delay, my trade write-up is on the site now. Short-term, I'd expect Tinordi or Beaulieu (likely the former) to go back to Hamilton and a forward up (if he weren't just coming from injury, I'd have guessed Tangradi but it might a youngster for now). That should open up a tad bit more cap space at the same time. gonchar .............. my leaf fan employees were laughing out loud only the third move by MB that i think stinks....................... 1.therrien 2. brierre 3. gonchar (if he is intended to be a regular) now brierre is a saw off because he corrected it. but reallly, this is th etype of move we had come to expect from the past management...............it reaks of pierre gautier managing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 OK does MB have shares in a rocking chair company? There has to be more to this trade. The progression is they send Bork to ork. to pick up 900k+. so they can trade for gonchar, there has to be a plan afoot. We have 8 defencemen and we need a sniper something more is coming. yes there simply has to be morte to the trade....................if not MB just made the type of move that Gautier was raked over the coals for. first thing i thought of when i heard it........spacek for kabby...... but atleast kabby was not going to get put in front of two great young dman that should be in here DEVELOPING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Honestly we should just be patient to see if Gonchar even plays that much. He was a 13 minute D-man for Dallas. Nathan hasn't played under 15 since the Oilers game. If he plays in front of the two kids its a loss for the habs. They should be developing to become better nhl ers now. Who cares to see Gonchar joing the likes of kabby, boulion, spacek, hamerlk, gill, cicone, murray, weaver, and the other 20 or so band aids i cant remebember their names. Who cares to see another washed up D wind out his days in a habs jersey. This aint Toronto, where players go to retire. Man even the leafs have stopped doing that! The last two decent nhl defense men developed by the Canadiens ....Markov and Subban ..............cant think of the third. I am shocked that MB would make this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Emelin - Subban Markov - Gilbert Gonchar - Weaver Beaulieu - Tinordi. Sorry kids. Maybe next year. iif thats the case i hope they both ask for trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Emelin - Subban Markov - Gilbert Gonchar - Weaver Beaulieu - Tinordi. Sorry kids. Maybe next year. gonchar weaver ...... now there a stanley cup winning third pair. joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 *I don't think another move is coming. I remember we all thought the same thing with the Weise trade and nothing happened until the deadline. *I don't see Gonchar playing the same minutes as he did in Dallas. We already have Weaver playing minimal minutes. *Another MT teacher's pet. *We just got softer. If Dbalr is right and Tinordi gets sent down, we just traded Moen, Bourque and Tinordi for Gonchar, Sekac and Drayson Bowman. That is pathetic. Oh hey! Boston this week... *Three cheers for Travis Moen and the last vestige of the Second Gainey Rebuild. *Moen is an excellent penalty killer. He's going to be missed in that area more so than Gonchar will help on the power play. Those here who think Wise can step in for Moen seamlessly are going to be disappointed. *Gilbert, Markov, Subban, Beaulieu, Gonchar? Which of these plays well in their own zone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I will also be unhappy if Gonch plays over Tinordi and Beaulieu, but come on, this isn't Spacek Kaberle bad, because we free cap space in the offseason. Honestly I felt like moen was hurting the young forward group anyway. Fully expecting to see another move before all is said and done. First Bourque and then Moen. . . All to end with Gonchar? I'm not so sure. The Emelin speculation is interesting as it also frees up cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 ...or I guess I'm hoping for another trade if I'm being honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 This may be a prelude to another move, but then again it may not. If we look at it objectively, Gonchar represents nothing better than defensive depth. I'm all for defensive depth, although one could well wonder whether Bergevin couldn't find comparable depth at a lower cap hit. If Gonchar starts pulling down major minutes, that's pretty bizarre given that he was a bottom-pairing guy on a much worse Dallas Stars defence. This is one of those moments where, if folks trusted Therrien to play young players, and/or if we all trusted that the Habs have faith in the Big Two (Nate and Tinordi), we probably wouldn't be agitated at all. As it is, it raises a lot of questions that will only be answered once we see how they use Gonchar (and how he plays for us). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 gonchar is 40. stunk in pitt so they dumped him right after the habs eliminated them almost 5 years ago. he stunk in ottawa. he stunk in dallas..............heck he play terrible for the bruins what 10 years ago? if he plays one shift its too many habs were a better team yesterday than they are today. the only plus i have heard about poor ol gonchar is that he/contract is finished this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 *I don't think another move is coming. I remember we all thought the same thing with the Weise trade and nothing happened until the deadline. *I don't see Gonchar playing the same minutes as he did in Dallas. We already have Weaver playing minimal minutes. *Another MT teacher's pet. *We just got softer. If Dbalr is right and Tinordi gets sent down, we just traded Moen, Bourque and Tinordi for Gonchar, Sekac and Drayson Bowman. That is pathetic. Oh hey! Boston this week... *Three cheers for Travis Moen and the last vestige of the Second Gainey Rebuild. Gonchar hasn't been playing many minutes - or even been playing many games on a horrible Stars team. He is a washed up. This is a horrible move for the following three reasons: 1) At this point in his career, I can't believe he is any better for the PP than Beaulieu. 2) Barring another move, it hurts our ability to get more offensive help 3) If next year's cap dump of Moen is part of the reason for the trade, I can't believe that there was no other market to dump Moen's. The Bruins because of their injured dman have leaned on their kids and called up guys from the AHL and not only are the kids getting the job done, but they are getting great NHL experience. I said it in the summer and last year, you can't learn NHL speed by playing in Hamilton - particularly for a moron like Lefebve. At this point in Tinordi and Beaulieu's career they need to play, need to be allowed to make mistakes, to be able to progress as pros. The more i think about this deal, the more i hate it. Gonchar was the one bad move that Nill made and he corrected it by dumping a washed up old goat on the habs. Why is that habs GM's feel inclined to help other GM's dig them out of their mistakes (Gomez, Kaberle and now Gonchar). I wanted Moen gone, but this is a horrible move! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There's a few different ways to look at this move - which of these best applies? - Bergevin wanted to try to help the PP - Bergevin wanted to add defensive depth without subtracting from the roster - Bergevin wanted to shed Moen's cap hit for next season - Insert your thought here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I will also be unhappy if Gonch plays over Tinordi and Beaulieu, but come on, this isn't Spacek Kaberle bad, because we free cap space in the offseason. Honestly I felt like moen was hurting the young forward group anyway. Fully expecting to see another move before all is said and done. First Bourque and then Moen. . . All to end with Gonchar? I'm not so sure. The Emelin speculation is interesting as it also frees up cap. If there is another deal coming, the dman that should be moved in order of preference are Gonchar, Gilbert or Weaver. Moving Emelin makes little sense, unless Tinordi is ready to play 20 minutes a night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 There's a few different ways to look at this move - which of these best applies? - Bergevin wanted to try to help the PP - Bergevin wanted to add defensive depth without subtracting from the roster - Bergevin wanted to shed Moen's cap hit for next season - Insert your thought here At this point in his career, Gonchar is not going to help the PP any more than Beaulieu. they need to change their game plan for the PP, not add a washed up dman. Expecting defensive depth from Gonchar is as desperate as the rangers looking at Kaberle. I can't believe that there was no other market for Moen. A team like Edmonton NEEDS a guy like Moen. My thoughts for the motivation behind this idiotic deal - temporary insanity!!! ( at least i hope it's only temporary!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Everyone seems to forget that d men in the NHL are very scarce and worth their weight in gold. That is why I think there is another trade coming. We have too many defenceman, we can keep 6 of the best have gonchar as the 7th and trade one for offence. Edmonton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trizzak Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Just spit-balling here... if the value for Gonchar at 4.6 mill is Travis Moen, what is the value of Gonchar at 2.3 mill? Habs can retain a lot more salary than Dallas could. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 gonchar is 40. stunk in pitt so they dumped him right after the habs eliminated them almost 5 years ago. he stunk in ottawa. he stunk in dallas..............heck he play terrible for the bruins what 10 years ago? if he plays one shift its too many habs were a better team yesterday than they are today. the only plus i have heard about poor ol gonchar is that he/contract is finished this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Not sure if anyone asked the question yet, but.... If Meon is gone and Bourque is in Hamilton, whats the long-term plan for our bottom 6? We have 11 forwards, Bowman got called up, I'm assuming to be in the bottom 6 temporarily. Is Bournival the long-term plan or one of Tinordi/Beaulieu being shopped for something in our bottom 9? I don't mind picking up Gonchar and letting Tinordi and Beaulieu stew for another year, they aren't ready. Plus with injuries they will get playing time, just not dependant on them being good now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 gonchar is 40. stunk in pitt so they dumped him right after the habs eliminated them almost 5 years ago. he stunk in ottawa. he stunk in dallas..............heck he play terrible for the bruins what 10 years ago? if he plays one shift its too many habs were a better team yesterday than they are today. the only plus i have heard about poor ol gonchar is that he/contract is finished this summer. as much as i hate this trade - Gonchar actually was okay with the sens in his last two years and they did want to resign him - just not at the salary he wanted. The only potential positive of getting Gonchar is that he has always been great with young dman (Karlsson spoke highly of him), but given that he will be taking time away from the kids on an over-crowded blue-line, i don't know how he is going to help the young dman. But who knows, he may get through to SUbban to get rid of the wind up and be more decisive in shooting on the PP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 gonchar is 40. stunk in pitt so they dumped him right after the habs eliminated them almost 5 years ago. he stunk in ottawa. he stunk in dallas..............heck he play terrible for the bruins what 10 years ago? if he plays one shift its too many habs were a better team yesterday than they are today. the only plus i have heard about poor ol gonchar is that he/contract is finished this summer. are you kidding me? he was an offensive dynamo on the back end in pitts no doubt about it..... ok they had crosby, malkin and company but he still he put up over 50 pts in each season there including 2 x +60 point seasons, obviously minus his injured season.. im intrigued to see him play 1st line minutes on the PP! he is one of very few real PP specialists in this league. in fact he and markov should run/ coach the power play not therrien and his staff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meller93 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 . . . in fact he and markov should run/ coach the power play not therrien and his staff Hahahah I've legitimately wondered if that would work before. I mean, Gonchar Markov are literally Russian legends on the pp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Maybe he is going to tutor the kids on the PP....player coach. Just because he can't do it anymore, doesn't mean he can help teach and develop the kids. He is also some depth and a cap dump for next year. I suggest we wait and see how he is really used before we panic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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