dlbalr Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 Hamilton (15-14-6-0) will look to get back in the win column tonight but they'll be in tough as they host Utica (22-7-5-0) who sits 2nd in the West. Jacob de la Rose will return for Hamilton while it's unknown if Gabriel Dumont will be back with the team. (based on +/- data from previous games) Shinkaruk - Acton - Friesen Kenins - O'Reilly - Grenier Archibald - Jeffrey - DeFazio Zalewski - Gaunce - Hamilton Corrado - Negrin Biega - Andersson Ehrhardt - Huskins Ericsson Bowman - Hudon - Hensick Carr - de la Rose - Dumont Nevins - Dowell - Sorkin Crisp - Macenauer - Bakker Allen - Drewiske Bennett - PaterynTinordi - Dietz Condon Puck drop is at 7:30 PM, AM900 will have the play-by-play; click the banner below to listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 9, 2015 Author Share Posted January 9, 2015 Good news, both Dumont and de la Rose will play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 1-0 dogs 4 minutes left in 1st, Sorkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just tuning in now, I see no Tangradi in the lineup. Sick again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 same, so don't know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 same, so don't know? He's expected to miss a month with an upper body injury. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Tinordi KOed, cut bad in staged fight off faceoff, announcers said he was dropped and said trainer called instantly. (It will happen sooner or later to all who fight.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Bulldogs score but it's waved off due to a kicking motion (that the announcers disagree with). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 Macenauer scores to double the lead. That's a huge goal. Assists to Dumont and Carr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 It's a shutout for Condon as the Bulldogs win 3-0; de la Rose had an empty netter. http://theahl.com/stats/game-summary.php?game_id=1013987 Next up is Lake Erie on Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 COOL! Hope Tinordi's confidence not shattered or impacted by getting tagged with a wicked punch? Will see how he reacts on weekend (if even allowed to play). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 As I said on Bulldogs thread; Tinordi got tagged tonight. And getting dropped by good punch will happen to fighters...live by sword ... it will happen to 100% of fighers, sooner or later. (but as soon as he was hit they were calling for trainer, he was KOed! just hope no long term impact.) That's a rough break for Tinordi. I watched a few of Pedan's other fights, he's no big fighter, but Tinordi got hit right on the button. Pedan was in the ECHL earlier this year. Tinordi shouldn't be fighting ECHL goons, they have Finley for that crap. I hope he continues to fight. Fighting is a big part of his game, and as DON said sooner or later that's going to happen in a hockey fight, where unlike boxing, the fighters are tethered to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just watched the fight. That can seriously hurt a kids confidence among other things. He got hurt in a fight in London too though, so hopefully shake it off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Tinordi KOed, cut bad in staged fight off faceoff, announcers said he was dropped and said trainer called instantly. (It will happen sooner or later to all who fight.) That was brutal. The official obscured the view of the fall, but it looked like his head slammed HARD into the ice. I don't think we'll be seeing him again this year. That is exactly the kind of fight that has no place in the game - pointless staged crap. Will see how he reacts on weekend (if even allowed to play). If this was MMA, he would have an automatic medical suspension of 45 days (30 with no contact in training). This is where the NHL and NFL severely lag behind combat sports in athlete safety. The forces involved in a full speed collision on skates is more than taking one well placed punch, but NHL and NFL athletes can play almost immediately as long as they pass a test. They don't give the brain any time to heal unless athletes are still symptomatic, which is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 You know, I've never even thought twice about the possibility that removing fighting from hockey was in any way, shape or form a good idea. But if everyone's best fighters are getting severely injured, and I repeat, severely, injured, then the debate starts to make a lot more sense. Is it only us? Parros? Tinordi? He'd probably be our best fighter if he were up. Does this happen to other teams? The purpose of fighting is to remove liberties that are taken at our star players. Some of these liberties could lead to injuries, so we have fighting to prevent that if the refs won't do their jobs. But now the fighters are getting severely injured themselves. Are they any less human than the star players? I still want fighting and a lot of that probably has to do with the fact that I'm a traditionalist but let's think about it for a second. On the other hand, maybe it's always been this way. Watched Tinordi get punched out last year by a guy on the Marlies whose name escapes me right now. Prust is the habs best fighter. Tinordi would be the habs largest fighter. Where his physicality will be most welcomed is along the wall and around the net. Has been known to throw the odd big open ice hit too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 he sure packs a wicked right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just watched the fight. That can seriously hurt a kids confidence among other things. He got hurt in a fight in London too though, so hopefully shake it off Just watched it. Man! Knocked out on his feet with a right hand, his head bounced off the ice as he did a face plant. I am concerned at the seriousness of the concussion. Damn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Man, I hope Tinordi doesn't suffer from the Mike Komisarek Syndrome - big, 'intimidating' defender who turns out to be a creampuff when he squares off against genuinely tough nuts. I'll never forget that sick feeling at seeing Komisarek demolished by Lucic - the symbolic moment when the Bruins' rebuild decisively surpassed ours. Concussions are no joke, either. I don't subscribe anymore to this logic that 'he got tagged, it happens.' Concussions destroy the brains of these young men, and every one of them is, in and of itself, a problem; and the more of them a player suffers, the worse his prospects become. On the 'personal attacks' thing, it's not rocket science: don't say contemptuous things about a poster or his ideas. Pretty easy when you think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Just brutal. A potentially huge road-block to his development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 That was a staged fight, from what I saw, and we are supposed to be getting rid of those. I think i am moving over to Don's position that fighting needs to be reduced significantly. If the NHL is serious about getting rid of fighting, the first step is clean up the refereeing problem. They are real good at "seeing" penalties that don't exist or very minor crap. How about they actually watch the game once in a while. If the players were confident in the refs maybe there would be less of this crap. The other aspect is that there are still too many "fighters" in the league. Prust is one of them although he has talent and is valuable as a hockey player, he has become our gladiator. The best way to control some of this stuff is if the ref sees it is going to be a chippy game, then any time there is a scrum 1 guy from 1 team goes off. That usually puts an end to the stupid pushing and shoving which often ends in a battle. Also when PK taps some guy on the other bench on the ass, someone should remind him with a slap to the back of the head that 1st of all he can't fight. And I mean he is no good at it. Those are his words. As John Taveres said when they were juniors He is the toughest guy on the ice with his gloves on. I hope that Tinordi is ok but maybe he should reconsider that fighting thing, he has been decked a couple of times that I know of. Being big doesn't mean you can fight. Hal Gill couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. Maybe he should hone his skills and become a top 4 defenceman, and stay out of the fighting. Far far too many careers have been ended or destroyed because of this famous (nobody actually knows what it is) code. Maybe it is also time to increase the penalties for fighting, I am not at the throw them out of the game stage yet, but maybe 5 mins should be 10 mins for 1st fight, 2nd fight in a game now you are gone and another game just in case. I think we would see a lot less fighting. It will never leave the game entirely but it can be curtailed quite a bit. They still have fighting in baseball and football and basketball and probably table tennis for all I know. These are very competitive young bulls and they will get into fights but lets try to keep them from ruining the rest of their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs30/31 Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 The punch was bad enough, head cracking the ice right after it? That's troubling. Long term ? Permanent? Have not been able to get an update on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 That's a rough break for Tinordi. I watched a few of Pedan's other fights, he's no big fighter, but Tinordi got hit right on the button. Pedan was in the ECHL earlier this year. Tinordi shouldn't be fighting ECHL goons, they have Finley for that crap. I hope he continues to fight. Fighting is a big part of his game, and as DON said sooner or later that's going to happen in a hockey fight, where unlike boxing, the fighters are tethered to each other. another reason he should have been in Montreal. It's pointless having a top prospect having to fight bush league goons. There isn't much for him to learn in the AHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 another reason he should have been in Montreal. It's pointless having a top prospect having to fight bush league goons. There isn't much for him to learn in the AHL. That was one of the first thoughts after that happened. Man, I hope Tinordi doesn't suffer from the Mike Komisarek Syndrome - big, 'intimidating' defender who turns out to be a creampuff when he squares off against genuinely tough nuts. I'll never forget that sick feeling at seeing Komisarek demolished by Lucic - the symbolic moment when the Bruins' rebuild decisively surpassed ours. Concussions are no joke, either. I don't subscribe anymore to this logic that 'he got tagged, it happens.' Concussions destroy the brains of these young men, and every one of them is, in and of itself, a problem; and the more of them a player suffers, the worse his prospects become. On the 'personal attacks' thing, it's not rocket science: don't say contemptuous things about a poster or his ideas. Pretty easy when you think about it. I think there are some parallels in size and being American kids, but Tinordi is much tougher than Komisarek. I don't think Komisarek really knew how to fight. I was talking about the Tinordi fight with my dad last night, I don't think that he has as much to worry about in the NHL. He might have to fight someone like Lucic, but the goons are dying out at an alarming rate, where he's had to fight a few of these tough guys in the AHL. Lucic, on the other hand, hasn't squared off with a true heavyweight since Erskine and Orr, so most of these guys learn the hard way what weight class they're in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share Posted January 10, 2015 The punch was bad enough, head cracking the ice right after it? That's troubling. Long term ? Permanent? Have not been able to get an update on him. He needed 'dental work' after the game. Don't expect a formal update though as the Habs have directed the Bulldogs to be extremely tight-lipped about injuries. Six weeks ago, Nygren had a cold. He hasn't returned yet with what's believed to actually be a concussion. That's a rough break for Tinordi. I watched a few of Pedan's other fights, he's no big fighter, but Tinordi got hit right on the button. Pedan was in the ECHL earlier this year. Tinordi shouldn't be fighting ECHL goons, they have Finley for that crap. I hope he continues to fight. Fighting is a big part of his game, and as DON said sooner or later that's going to happen in a hockey fight, where unlike boxing, the fighters are tethered to each other. Pedan isn't an ECHL goon, he's a legitimate prospect who was buried down there for a bit since the Isles have a ton of upcoming defencemen. Vancouver gave up a 3rd rounder to get him so clearly they see some potential in him. another reason he should have been in Montreal. It's pointless having a top prospect having to fight bush league goons. There isn't much for him to learn in the AHL. He's not down there to fight bush league goons and Pedan is not a goon, nor a bush league player but an actual prospect. He's there to learn to use his size more effectively (ie, hit more), work on his puck skills, and play 22-25 minutes a night which is 22-25 more than he'd get in Montreal right now. But, we've had this discussion many times before so I won't keep repeating the same points as to why I think it's fine for him to be there. It was an unfortunate incident and one that wasn't necessary. He'll learn from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Watched Tinordi get punched out last year by a guy on the Marlies whose name escapes me right now. Prust is the habs best fighter. Tinordi would be the habs largest fighter. Where his physicality will be most welcomed is along the wall and around the net. Has been known to throw the odd big open ice hit too. I've seen Tinordi handle his own in fights as well. He may have got punched out by a Marlies player last year but he also pummled Ashton in the opening game of last season against the Leafs. I'd play the video but coincidentally, we all know what happened immediately after (Parros). Tinordi has about 8-10 fights in his NHL career and has played 45 games + a few preseason games. Prust has 8 fights in 40 games this year. It's safe to say that Tinordi would add to our team in that department and defensemen always find themselves in different situations than forwards. He may not be our best fighter but he'd be the only other player outside of Prust that I'd trust against decent opposition... as well as anyone over 6"2. But there he is, getting terribly injured in a fight and I agree that's not the primary reason he's around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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