dlbalr Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 With the invite list now available, it seems like a good time to start the general training camp discussion thread. A total of 58 players have been invited and there aren't any surprises on the list. Three tryouts from July's development camp and recent rookie tourney have made it on to main camp, forwards Angelo Miceli and Jamal Watson plus goalie Mike McNiven. Markus Eisenschmid, who was at the development camp but not the rookie tourney, is also among the invites. Medicals are tomorrow (I presume for the veterans only since the rookies went through testing last week) while camp itself starts on Friday. The first preseason game is less than a week away, Sept. 22 vs Toronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 Three exhibition games have been designated as mandatory OT games to allow teams some time to prepare for the new OT rule. Those are: Sept. 22 vs Toronto Sept. 26 at Toronto October 3 at Ottawa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Will be unusual to see referees call awkward penalties to tie the game... oh wait... More seriously, how will this go down ? Even if a team wins the game, they're gonna play some 3 on 3 at the end ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 More seriously, how will this go down ? Even if a team wins the game, they're gonna play some 3 on 3 at the end ? That's exactly it. When they instituted the shootout, every preseason game had a shootout whether it was tied, a blowout, or anything in between. They'll do the dry scrape and then play up to 5 minutes of 3-on-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 There are a few players to watch at training camp but Jarred Tinordi may be the most interesting one. Here's a look at his situation, including his likely market value should he not make the Habs: http://www.habsworld.net/2015/09/jarred-tinordi-a-defenceman-on-the-hot-seat/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 There are a few players to watch at training camp but Jarred Tinordi may be the most interesting one. Here's a look at his situation, including his likely market value should he not make the Habs: http://www.habsworld.net/2015/09/jarred-tinordi-a-defenceman-on-the-hot-seat/ Nice work, Brian. I like the splash of cold water you bring to the situation. I know hulking defencemen can take longer to develop, but the kid has definitely put himself in a precarious position and your write-up is, I think, very realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Yup...just another well done piece dlbalr. Is Tinordi just Ryan O'Bryne 2.0? Come on Lernout...maybe you can be the next Larry Robinson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I honestly don't believe Tinordi is worse than Gilbert, or given the chance, Emelin, but alas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I honestly don't believe Tinordi is worse than Gilbert, or given the chance, Emelin, but alas... If Tinordi had confidence with the puck I'd agree with you. He hasn't found it yet and the NHL isn't going to wait for him. I think Tinordi has shown far more talent than O'Byrne, who got way more slack and protection than Jarred, but that doesn't mean he deserves it. Emelin and Gilbert are not long for the Habs, but even if they go, that doesn't guarantee Tinordi anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I don't recall a year when we have had as much talent, going to camp, ever as we have this year. Hard choices will have to be made. This speaks well of the organization. it is a good problem to have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I honestly don't believe Tinordi is worse than Gilbert, or given the chance, Emelin, but alas... Emelin and Gilbert; my two favourite pals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I know +/- isn't everything, but Tinordi was -5 in 13 games last year. That projects to a -31 over 82 games. This would, at least, represent one indicator that a rather wide gulf separated him from both Emelin and Gilbert, despite fan mythology to the contrary. Nor, by most accounts, did he have a particularly impressive AHL season. And, of course, this supposed intimidator literally had his brains knocked out in a fight, which is an added bonus. Now I'm not saying the kid is garbage. I defer on this question to people that have watched him a lot more than I have. But there is very definitely reason to be concerned about whether he will become the latest in a long line of over-hyped prospects that never really panned out. A certain skepticism is called for with this kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 Nice work, Brian. I like the splash of cold water you bring to the situation. I know hulking defencemen can take longer to develop, but the kid has definitely put himself in a precarious position and your write-up is, I think, very realistic. Thanks. I've seen a lot of people suggest he still has significant trade value which was part of the motivation behind the piece. That, and I didn't want to write another prospect rankings column so soon. Tinordi could still pan out and I'm certainly rooting for him (after Leblanc busted, having Tinordi do the same would really sting) but I'm just not too optimistic that he'll force their hand in a good way. They could clear the 23rd spot for him but that wouldn't be merit-based but rather not wanting to lose him for next to nothing. Yup...just another well done piece dlbalr. Is Tinordi just Ryan O'Bryne 2.0? Come on Lernout...maybe you can be the next Larry Robinson? It's interesting you mention Lernout as he is what people want Tinordi to be. He's a much meaner blueliner and is better at dropping the gloves while he happens to have a bit of offensive upside in him. A side note there, Lernout cracked my ballot for Montreal's top-10 prospects (plus two honourable mentions) while Tinordi didn't. That said, hardly anyone else had Lernout anywhere on the ballot while Tinordi was on every other one so he'll still be higher in the rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Tinordi was a minus player for 4 of his 13 games. That includes a 7-1 loss to Tampa Bay where all our dmen finished in the minus. We still won 2 of those 4 games. We can probably pin the Vancouver loss on Tinordi though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Someone noted Lernout simply pummelled some other prospect in rookie tournament fight. But, he stayed away from fighting in WHL last year and his last (or 2nd to last) brawl was in December, so he really seemed to focus on his all round game and offense and was not looking for opportunity to duke it out. If he can improve play in his own end while in AHL he might be another solid 'later' pick for Timmins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 On Petry: @ArponBasu "It was a no brainer for me" - Jeff Petry on taking #Habs offer instead of exploring free agent market. Said he liked the city so he stayed. On Fleischmann: @ArponBasu "I think what happened this summer was a surprise to every free agent" - Tomas Fleischmann @ArponBasu Tomas Fleischmann said he had a couple of other PTO offers but that he was "shooting for Montreal all summer." @JohnLuTSNMtl #Habs PTO Fleischmann says he & Semin played stretches together with Capitals & that they had good chemistry. Targeting NHL job only, no AHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 They were sick together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I haven't been following Fleischmann closely for the past couple of seasons but I'm guessing he fell off the map completely judging by some of the comments I've heard. I'd actually be more optimistic about this if it weren't for some of the views posted that were not overly enthusiastic. A few weeks ago, I wouldn't have even blinked twice if someone told me we signed Fleischmann to a cheap contract, let alone be anything other than optimistic that he's on a simple tryout. With all that being said, I'm going to remain on the optimistic side of the fence here before I look up any of his recent stats! Because I think he can only benefit us. Fleischmann is also Czech. I'm not sure if they ever played together on a line but why couldn't he and Plekanec have any chemistry as well? Heck, a line of Fleischmann, Plekanec, Semin sounds fine to me and maybe even better than any other second line I've heard suggested. I know, I'm guessing Fleischmann can't cut it as a 2nd liner nowadays. I'll have to see it to believe it though. Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher Fleischmann, Plekanec, Semin Desharnais, Eller, Kassian DSP, Mitchell, Weise I guess that leaves out De La Rose though and Therrien loves him so probably not likely. Now, to look up his recent stats..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsCollective Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I haven't been following Fleischmann closely for the past couple of seasons but I'm guessing he fell off the map completely judging by some of the comments I've heard. I'd actually be more optimistic about this if it weren't for some of the views posted that were not overly enthusiastic. A few weeks ago, I wouldn't have even blinked twice if someone told me we signed Fleischmann to a cheap contract, let alone be anything other than optimistic that he's on a simple tryout. With all that being said, I'm going to remain on the optimistic side of the fence here before I look up any of his recent stats! Because I think he can only benefit us. Fleischmann is also Czech. I'm not sure if they ever played together on a line but why couldn't he and Plekanec have any chemistry as well? Heck, a line of Fleischmann, Plekanec, Semin sounds fine to me and maybe even better than any other second line I've heard suggested. I know, I'm guessing Fleischmann can't cut it as a 2nd liner nowadays. I'll have to see it to believe it though. Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher Fleischmann, Plekanec, Semin Desharnais, Eller, Kassian DSP, Mitchell, Weise I guess that leaves out De La Rose though and Therrien loves him so probably not likely. Now, to look up his recent stats..... That is a completely valid lineup, but personally I would swap Fleischmann and Desharnais. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Eller finished first in the beep test. Sekac was first last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 That is a completely valid lineup, but personally I would swap Fleischmann and Desharnais. Yeah - surely Fleischmann is no longer a valid top-6 option? He's been a 30-point player for the last two or three years. (I always kind of liked him as a player, though - he seemed a solid performer to me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yeah - surely Fleischmann is no longer a valid top-6 option? He's been a 30-point player for the last two or three years. (I always kind of liked him as a player, though - he seemed a solid performer to me). Fleischmann is probably someone they could throw into a top six role on a short-term basis (ie, mid game if someone was injured) but he's at best a third liner at this point. And if he were to make the team, a third line of him, Eller, and Kassian would be a really intriguing third line that could play at both ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 I want to see Flash - Plek - Semin in exhibition. Toss Flash with the Czech centre and give him Semin for chemistry. See if something happens. Basically the combos I'd love to see tried: Flash - Plek - Semin Semin - Chuck - Kass Patches - Eller - Kass Semin - Chuck - Gally Patches - Plek - Kass Flash - DLR - DSP DLR - Eller - Semin DD - Eller - Semin DD - Chuck - DSP Combos like that could be real interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 Yeah - surely Fleischmann is no longer a valid top-6 option? He's been a 30-point player for the last two or three years. (I always kind of liked him as a player, though - he seemed a solid performer to me). I'm the one who mentioned the idea in the first place but apparently he's not even on the Czech national team anymore so you'd have to think you are right. I'd have an extremely hard time thinking he couldn't literally easily crack the 20 goal barrier on a line with Plekanec and Semin for a full season though. Truly believe it. Not that he's specifically a goal scorer. Is that considered good enough to be a 2nd liner? We all know that the lines aren't staying the same for that long anyway so it's moot. I also tend to agree that it's extremely naive to believe Fleischmann is that good. In my opinion though, you can switch Fleischmann and Desharnais all you want and the production of the lines would be about the same. In fact I think Fleischmann-Eller-Kassian would run into a lot more dry spells than Desharnais-Eller-Kassian would. We have to wait and see though. Both Fleischmann and Semin truly are wild cards going in. I just personally expect them to be really positive wildcards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted September 18, 2015 Share Posted September 18, 2015 By the sounds of things, Fleischman wants to be in MTL. Maybe the atmosphere gives him a spark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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