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Dumba had a really bad pre tournament camp.

Pulock is too young IMO for this type of responsibility, (Especially since you've made Murphy your 7th Dman and PP specialist)... PP specialist would be the only role I'd feel comfortable with Pulock in.

Pouliot has the same issues, I don't see him as adding anything to this team.

I don't think the Canadian team picked the wrong guys... I just think they had a Brutal Game and were poorly coached (Murphy shouldn't have got the icetime he did).

It happens in these one game eliminations.... sometimes you come out flat. Its like an NHL team, even the best team isn't gonna go 82-0. The first place team loses 25-30 games per year. Unfortunately Canada's brutal game happened at the worst possible time. I really don't think this was a roster issue, just something that happened

Pulock, Dumba and Pouliot can all skate well, important on big ice, plus Pulock has biggest shot likely in the CHL and is defensively better than Murphy (which aint saying much). Pouliot is simply a solid all round d-man (poor mans Ryan Murray). And Dumba is game breaker (sometimes not sure which way but + outweigh).

I was totally fine with 90% of team when picked and some i didnt ever see play before. But for Sweden next year, the large ice surface should be taken into account more, speed/skill should trump grinder/checker types. A Petan-Shinkarak-Drouin-and even Domi should be prototype.

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I dunno. My impressions may be wrong, but I just don't sense the rage and angst that have historically accompanied high-profile defeats in Canadian hockey. There doesn't seem to be he collective urgency that used to be there, and has been there pretty consistently since 1972. The response seems closer to a shrug. Not sure why this is - but if it's so, then it's an interesting question. Is it possible we're becoming more blasé about international hockey? Are we no longer so anxious to draw sweeping general conclusions about our ability to produce elite talent based on defeats in a tournament? Four years without junior gold, you'd think we'd be hungrier as a nation. Or maybe winning at the Olympics satisfied our psyches for the time being.

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I dunno. My impressions may be wrong, but I just don't sense the rage and angst that have historically accompanied high-profile defeats in Canadian hockey. There doesn't seem to be he collective urgency that used to be there, and has been there pretty consistently since 1972. The response seems closer to a shrug. Not sure why this is - but if it's so, then it's an interesting question. Is it possible we're becoming more blasé about international hockey? Are we no longer so anxious to draw sweeping general conclusions about our ability to produce elite talent based on defeats in a tournament? Four years without junior gold, you'd think we'd be hungrier as a nation. Or maybe winning at the Olympics satisfied our psyches for the time being.

I'm guessing you haven't listened to a lot of talk radio since the game? That's all I'm hearing on call-in shows, how these struggles are indicative of future struggles at the Olympics and World Championships and how it might be time for a massive shakeup at Hockey Canada. I think those callers are nuts but that sense is still out there for some at least.

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I'm guessing you haven't listened to a lot of talk radio since the game? That's all I'm hearing on call-in shows, how these struggles are indicative of future struggles at the Olympics and World Championships and how it might be time for a massive shakeup at Hockey Canada. I think those callers are nuts but that sense is still out there for some at least.

I think we just need a shakeup on how the team is picked (there is no reason why we shouldnt be icing four highly skilled lines) and the accountability the coaching staff puts on its players. The coach defending that first suspension was a joke. The junior team took as many undisiplined penalties as the habs in recent years.

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I'm guessing you haven't listened to a lot of talk radio since the game? That's all I'm hearing on call-in shows, how these struggles are indicative of future struggles at the Olympics and World Championships and how it might be time for a massive shakeup at Hockey Canada. I think those callers are nuts but that sense is still out there for some at least.

Ha ha, perhaps I'm projecting my own reactions onto the rest of the country. :lol: I still think there's something in what I say, though.

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Pulock, Dumba and Pouliot can all skate well, important on big ice, plus Pulock has biggest shot likely in the CHL and is defensively better than Murphy (which aint saying much). Pouliot is simply a solid all round d-man (poor mans Ryan Murray). And Dumba is game breaker (sometimes not sure which way but + outweigh).

I was totally fine with 90% of team when picked and some i didnt ever see play before. But for Sweden next year, the large ice surface should be taken into account more, speed/skill should trump grinder/checker types. A Petan-Shinkarak-Drouin-and even Domi should be prototype.

On the current Canadian defence Rielly, Murphy, Ouellette, Reinhart, Hamilton, these guys are all very good skaters. Even Wotherspoon and Harrington are decent skaters.

I don't think that was as big an issue as you are making it out to be.

As for the rest of those guys, you are talking about 17 year olds..... Pulock, Petan, Shinkaruk, Domi, etc.... in what is traditionally a 19 year olds tournament.

The Finnish team is a good example of how these talented underage prospects don't often do well in these tournaments. As is the way a guy like Nathan MacKinnon has played.

Those 17 year olds are never the prototype to replace 18 and 19 year olds in this tournament. It doesn't work at that level which is a step up from what they face in major junior.

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Any thoughts on the gold medal game?

I was quite impressed with Collberg. Not only did he get a ton of ice time near the end, but he was also being used regularly on the penalty kill which is something I wasn't expecting. He wound up being Sweden's top goal-getter and point-getter (tied) in the tournament and he's eligible to play again next year.

As for Galchenyuk, he was steady. There weren't too many moments where I really noticed him out there but his line played well, had some good forechecks, and picked up a few good scoring chances.

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Collberg was impressive for sure. I definitely echo your thoughts on him.

Galchenyuk had good period in the first, a bad period in the 2nd, and a great one in the third. Thought he could have had a few points if he wasn't a little snake bit.

In scoring Galchenyuk finishes 3rd (tied with Yakupov) and Collberg 5th (tied with a few, Collberg most goals), among 2012 Draftees at the tourney

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A look at the Draft Eligibles who caught my eye (or had some hype) and what they did in the tournament.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/01/05/top-shelf-prospects-the-2013-draft-eligibles-at-the-wjc/

I thought Drouin showed he is one of most skilled kids around and the big russian would also be one i would take over Jones.

MacKinnon wasnt given opportunity to shine, but still would push Jones to #4 for me.

Darnell Nurse, could he be Chris Pronger II; whereas Jones is likely to be more a Rob Blake type?

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