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Nov. 19, Bulldogs vs Comets, 7 PM


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The Bulldogs (6-7-2-0) will be in tough tonight as they travel to Utica to take on the league-leading Comets (11-2-2-0), affiliate of Vancouver.

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Bourque - Hensick - Hudon

Tangradi - Andrighetto - Dumont

Carr - de la Rose - Dowell

Crisp - Macenauer

Tinordi - Pateryn

Drewiske - Nygren

Finley - Dietz

Bennett

MacDonald

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(based on +/- data from last game)

Shinkaruk - O'Reilly - Grenier

Archibald - Lain - DeFazio

Gaunce - Hamilton - Bancks

Zalewski - Kenins - Kennedy

Negrin - Corrado

Biega - Lafranchise

Blain - Andersson

Markstrom

Puck drop is at 7:00 PM, AM900 will have the play-by-play; click the banner below to listen.

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Rene scores, Rene scores on 5 on3 PP holy crap!!!

then Rene backhands a puck into Tangradi's face, he simply isn't all 'there' is he and concussion really screwed him up or simply was never a bright lad?

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The bulldogs have

An nhl level defenceman in tinordi plus three guys who are just below nhl level in nygren pateryn and drewskie

A few good ahl point producers in dumont hudon thomas and andrighetto up front. A guy in bourque who should (and is starting to) dominate the ahl. And some good ahl journeymen forwards in tangradi bowman and hensick.

And they are still a shit team. And their powerplay is absolutely atrocious.

To top it all off they had NHL level goaltending last year with Tokarski (and insisted on playing Mayer half the games) and now Mayer isn't even around, and they are getting quality goaltending most nights.

Where is the development... Tinordi and Beaulieu are better in the NHL then AHL? Gallagher was the same thing as a rookie? Leblanc didn't develop at all. Dietz was an AHL scorer who has 1 goal in nearly 60 AHL games. Andrighetto is the bulldogs best offensive player but he was benched last week, he seems to be succeeding inspite of the coaching. Ellis took a big step back this year. Who is developping?

Only guy really thriving is Hudon.

We aren't developping prospects. We aren't winning. What the is going on?

Please fire lefebvre already. This is ****ing ridiculous.

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The bulldogs have

An nhl level defenceman in tinordi plus three guys who are just below nhl level in nygren pateryn and drewskie

A few good ahl point producers in dumont hudon thomas and andrighetto up front. A guy in bourque who should (and is starting to) dominate the ahl. And some good ahl journeymen forwards in tangradi bowman and hensick.

And they are still a shit team. And their powerplay is absolutely atrocious.

To top it all off they had NHL level goaltending last year with Tokarski (and insisted on playing Mayer half the games) and now Mayer isn't even around, and they are getting quality goaltending most nights.

Where is the development... Tinordi and Beaulieu are better in the NHL then AHL? Gallagher was the same thing as a rookie? Leblanc didn't develop at all. Dietz was an AHL scorer who has 1 goal in nearly 60 AHL games. Andrighetto is the bulldogs best offensive player but he was benched last week, he seems to be succeeding inspite of the coaching. Ellis took a big step back this year. Who is developping?

Only guy really thriving is Hudon.

We aren't developping prospects. We aren't winning. What the ###### is going on?

Please fire lefebvre already. This is ****ing ridiculous.

I kinda agree with, but Leblanc is simply not NHL material is he and even Bowman wouldn't of helped him. You know d-men offense in junior is hit and miss to transfer to pros. Pateryn way overachieved 1 1/2 years and seems back to norm now and Dietz hasn't even got 1 yr pro under belt.

Why Andrighetto scratched was supposedly due to work effort, maybe defensively (where most agree he needs most improvement) he wasn't committed?

But, I still think Lefebvre has blessing of Habs Mgmt to carry on, as is and keep following 'some' master plan, like going with 7 d-men directly after Habs find success with it, coincidence, no.

Maybe Bergevin-LaCarriere are not pleased, but I just don't get the feeling they are too upset and when interviewed a couple games ago at Dog game, Bergevin showed zero indication of criticizing coaching (unlikely to voice that but just didn't seem concerned one bit).

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When all are healthy, I had this team in the 7-10 range in the West so I don't think they're underachieving too much yet. (I had concerns about the goaltending and I didn't expect this team to magically start scoring at a high pace. Bowman/Tangradi are solid veterans but neither were going to put up a lot of points.) I like that Condon's now getting more of the workload as for the Bulldogs to have high level goaltending, it will have to come from him as MacDonald is the definition of an average stopgap.

To Commandant's point, I agree, the development isn't there. The top players have been high end juniors that for the most part were in the NHL before long. Those that have stayed longer have largely seen their play stagnate. But I doubt we'll see any changes anytime soon, though that won't stop me from complaining about Lefebvre.

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It is too easy to simply agree, but you guys and are most likely bang on and Lefebvre isn't head coach material, but wont know if Lefebvre has the backing of Mgmt or not until he actually is fired.

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And maybe Leblanc wasn't good enough. Thats true... not every prospect can make it, and sometimes that isn't a problem in development, its a lack of talent.

But what I'm seeing is that the only prospects who have shown any growth under Lefebvre are Hudon and Pateryn. Given the number of guys who he's been given in three years, thats simply a bad track record.

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And maybe Leblanc wasn't good enough. Thats true... not every prospect can make it, and sometimes that isn't a problem in development, its a lack of talent.

But what I'm seeing is that the only prospects who have shown any growth under Lefebvre are Hudon and Pateryn. Given the number of guys who he's been given in three years, thats simply a bad track record.

OK, so which prospects should be doing better but arnt and you are sure it can be simply due to poor coaching?

Beaulieu is a bit squirrly between the ears and will likely be joining LL flippin burgers in a few years.

Tinorid is big and simply need more strength and quicker feet/decision-making (nuthing to do with coaching)

etc etc

(not that i truely believe in Lefebvre but got to be argumentative and advocate a bit for him) Would a new coach really make any significant difference to prospect development?

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Would a new coach really make any significant difference to prospect development?

The true question is would a change negatively affect development at a significant level? I'd have a hard time thinking a new coach could make things a whole lot worse in terms of not developing prospects. It's a low-risk move if they ever did decide to make a change as for the most part, the prospects that have played a lot for Lefebvre have not progressed and in some cases may have regressed. The 'success stories' are ones who were highly-touted juniors going in and for the most part got out of there quickly. That's more a credit to those players than the coaching staff if they graduate quickly.

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The Bulldogs (6-7-2-0) will be in tough tonight as they travel to Utica to take on the league-leading Comets (11-2-2-0), affiliate of Vancouver.

14ham_500.gif

Bourque - Hensick - Hudon

Tangradi - Andrighetto - Dumont

Carr - de la Rose - Dowell

Crisp - Macenauer

Tinordi - Pateryn

Drewiske - Nygren

Finley - Dietz

Bennett

MacDonald

Lol I thought the 11 forwards 7 d-men was a MT thing more than an organizational philosophy.

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The true question is would a change negatively affect development at a significant level? I'd have a hard time thinking a new coach could make things a whole lot worse in terms of not developing prospects. It's a low-risk move if they ever did decide to make a change as for the most part, the prospects that have played a lot for Lefebvre have not progressed and in some cases may have regressed. The 'success stories' are ones who were highly-touted juniors going in and for the most part got out of there quickly. That's more a credit to those players than the coaching staff if they graduate quickly.

I hear you and dont really disagree. By looking at coaching staff in-place, he will have to come from Quebec and maybe a Q coach(s) can be brought in?

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Lol I thought the 11 forwards 7 d-men was a MT thing more than an organizational philosophy.

They want to get Bennett in and for some reason, the idea to deploy a super goon at F instead of D hasn't hit them yet. So, 7 D it is.

By looking at coaching staff in-place, he will have to come from Quebec and maybe a Q coach(s) can be brought in?

That would seem to be the logical choice - unless they like Dufresne (who has head coach experience I believe), they could promote him to the top spot.

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Any wild guess on a potential replacement for Sly? Say for a May 2015 hiring?

Martin Raymond. He was an assistant with the Bulldogs under Boucher before following him to TB. He now is the head coach for Drummondville (QMJHL) and will be an assistant for Canada at the WJC's. He's a local with NHL coaching experience and has familiarity with the organization. If they were to fire Lefebvre, my guess is that they'd be calling him before long.

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