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  1. I don’t believe the Habs are intentionally icing the worst team they can in order to maximize their lottery odds. If that’s tanking, we’re not doing it. Just look at the forward unit, which is actually quite strong, overall. Why keep that unit intact if the goal is to lose as hard as possible? Chicago, by contrast, has shipped out young players who played a major role (Dach and DeBrincat) for no discernable reason other than to suck as hard as they can in order to get Bedard. Now that’s true tanking. People confuse tanking with rebuilding. Rebuilding involves setting a timeline for a team to become competitive, and tries to maximize the likelihood of successfully realizing that target. Yes, this often means moving out veterans in favour of picks and prospects. But since you need some veterans around to mentor and role-model for the kids, and since (as I keep saying) you want to create an environment in which the kids can succeed and grow, that’s not interchangeable with fire-bombing your roster in a determined effort to grab the #1 pick. The Habs will likely suck, not through a deliberate intent to suck, but as a consequence of their best players aging out and middle-aged players having been traded for prospects. Winning lots of games is not the goal; it’s a development year. But to say that losing is the goal? That’s a bridge too far IMHO.
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  2. Everything I’ve read about him suggests that, in sheer hockey terms, he was an impressive prospect when drafted. I don’t know how the ensuing year affected his development - probably very well as a human being, and very poorly as a hockey player. Since we now know that a culture of brutal misogyny is endemic in junior hockey circles, Mailloux is best understood as the one who got caught, rather than an aberration among his peers; a deeply disturbing thought which nevertheless reframes his situation in important ways. I’m glad we’ve signed him…I was always afraid we would throw him away for PR reasons, putting ourselves at a competitive disadvantage with other clubs who draft equally toxic young men but get to keep, develop, and benefit from their hockey skills. Plus, given what he’s gone through, Mailloux is probably now significantly ahead of many of his peers in terms of his understanding of gender and basic human decency. This shows that the new regime has its head on straight.
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  3. I do not think the linguistic politics are a criteria considered by Hugh-Gort and Molson anymore. I truly believe the Habs are past that starting with the current management.
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  4. Who is expecting him to go to top 4 d. Savard and Wideman are veterans whose development wont be hurt if they play top 4 minutes to start. Another vet may come on waivers too. Then as they get experience Barron or Harris can take more minutes and pass those guys as the season goes along and they are ready for it. Sure this wont make for a good team but we know that this isnt a good team to begin with. The whole thing is to use the year for development of Harris, Barron, Guhle and forwards like Slafkovsky, Caufield, Dach, etc... Whether that is AHL big minutes, NHL third pair/third line, or NHL top 4.. you put them into the roles they are ready for. And the roles they start in likely wont be where they are in March.
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  5. Subban really dropped off after he went to Jersey. I don't know if it was any one injury, but that fact is, he had a fairly injury-riddled career, and the accumulation of damage caught up to him. His first step was never that great, and without having watched him closely in the last couple of seasons, I would guess that once that regressed he was done as an impact D-man. Without question the most consistently electrifying player the Canadiens produced after Lafleur, PK was a fabulous player for us and for Nashville too. He brought it every single shift and thrived on the big stage. I loved him from Day One and never understood the joyless resentment of him evinced by some fans. The talk about his dodgy D-zone play was just that, talk, oblivious to the fact that when he did make a gaffe he usually recovered very well. Meanwhile the toxic attitude of Habs management toward him said a lot more about those A-holes than it did about him. Not unrelatedly, he had to put up with a sh*tload of subliminal and not-so-subliminal racism, especially early in his career when he was widely demonized for being too uppity. Although The Trade seems to have been undertaken for the wrong reasons (Therrien hating PK's guts, MB being angry over a contractual outcome which his own stupidity ensured, etc.) it was a classic case of a trade that, thanks in part to Weber's career-ending injury, worked out for both teams. Props to PK for a great career. 👍 I look forward to what will surely be a memorable second act in broadcasting.
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  6. That’s not what Pierre Poilievre has been telling me Ba-dum, thanks folks, I’m here all night.
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  7. In case anyone is interested, here's the link for the New Jersey Game from the official website.
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  8. I am looking with interest at the contract structure HughGort is building. I believe that this is a transition year and that only in 2023-2024 will they have the structure they want. For example, at forward, I have highlighted the contracts they have awarded. The difference between M and KH-JG If is clear that MB was in an operating cycle built around Price, with his core of Ds and Fs. Let's disregard the contracts for Suzuki, and Anderson. whom are still probably still core players but that may have different contracts under KH-JG. And Gallagher whom we don;t know how he may have been valued by the new two headed team. It appears to me that Dach is projected to take on the role Hoffman, Byron, Dadonov, Drouin or Armia are currently playing. Dadonov, Byron and Drouin are on expiring contracts; Armia is as inconsistent as Drouin and both are not playing up to their contracts. In that sense, Dach's contract makes a lot of sense as a 3rd liner that can take some faceoffs and play center but may be better as a winger. Training camp will provide a better view on the role the team has for Dach. But I am fine with the contract and the term if he stays healthy. Once the expiring contracts are traded, we will have a clearer idea. But again, Dach's contract seems alike a decent move if he turns out to be a reliable 3rd liner. It becomes a great contract if Dach develops closer to his potential.
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  10. Looking for opinions on this story. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/canada/article-hockey-canada-created-a-fund-for-sexual-assault-claims-documents/ It had been disturbing for some time, but the recent news of a second hush fund to settle legal claims that was kept secret during all of these past proceedings has me quite incensed. To know my youth hockey registration fees and now my families children's registration fees have been stashed away to keep creepy activity quiet is disturbing. To think they kept a second fund quiet during all of these interrogations, interviews, public hearing and grandstanding is amazing to me. That Hockey Canada leadership would attempt to pull this off while also stating they are confident that they have leadership who can oversee cultural change and a positive transition is a joke. I see no way for this organization to redeem themselves, I will never trust the entity again. I think they have tarnished a national sport, should be dismantled, all executives black balled from hockey and believe our national teams should all be shut down for at least two years while hockey Canada is rebranded, re established and re-funded by corporate money. All corporate sponsorship, zero player fees going towards anything but hockey. Maybe not charge players period, again let these corporate asshats who want their names associated with youth sports to step up. Between the branding of arenas, jerseys, helmets, commercials there is zero need to charge a struggling family a blanket “registration” fee when we all know where that money ended up. Let the corporations earn their good will and lifetime brand awareness with the kids by finding it all. All current money put back into youth hockey/access for minorities&under privileged kids. The establishment has festered cancer that can only be cured with compete removal of the tumour, eradicate the mass of human turds that have ruined a national treasure, had the gall to stand up and say they could right this ship while hiding another slush fund the whole time, shame on them. The Hockey Canada brand has been forever tarnished and time to hold these executives accountable. All of them should be gone, entity dismantled and rebuilt without full time executives earning a living off of a kids sport since they’ve proven they cannot be trusted.
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  11. I see this debacle as emblematic of deep-seated problems in the culture of North American “leadership” classes. No accountability. Ass-covering. Hypocrisy. A complete vacuum of any sense of responsibility and duty. Ordinary people suffer while they sail along without consequence or any dent in their smugly entitled self-image. Think of the financial crash of 2008. I’m not sure how we got this way, because, while elites have always inhabited a bubble of privilege, I do believe that there have been eras in the past when some sense of responsibility and duty did have some prominence within our corporate and governing classes. It’s profoundly tragic that regular folks have responded to this systemic pathology by veering toward authoritarianism, ignorance, and utter stupidity, but that’s another story. Anyway, the ONLY thing these a-holes care about is money. Now that the money is fleeing, I would expect to see heads start rolling.
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  12. Respectfully disagree ... behind this defence corps I have no confidence that Primeau would continue to develop ... and he is FAR from "fully-cooked" IMO.
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  13. Tim Hortons pulling sponsorship of Mens teams including world juniors. Keep.taking money away until all of management is replaced.
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  14. 3 Habs n 25 NCAA kids to watch bit. https://www.flohockey.tv/articles/8018448-logan-cooley-luke-hughes-lead-25-nhl-prospects-to-watch-in-college-hockey
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  15. We can take Schnarr off the list of those still in camp, he was sent down over the weekend.
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  16. nope, he does not have be a martyr the rest of his public life I just want him to play hockey to the best of his abilities during the time he may be in the Habs NHL lineup.
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  17. I hope he turns out as good as his potential looks. But in all seriousness, he should be back in junior once the real season starts. This is exactly the kind of guy that Bergevin would have hung his hat on in rushing by selling hope. let the kid feel good about himself and tell him to go back and DOMINATE in junior.
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  18. Hopefully they are discussing bringing Roy in as a team ambassador. With absolutely nothing to do with hockey operations.
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  19. Monahan is not looking so bad, though, for his first game in six months.
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  20. A dumper dive activity that was
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  21. Without him ever playing in the NHL, I'd say yes, it's too much to ask that he'd jump into a top-four role right away. Yep, until November 1st. Then it's reverse standings.
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  22. A little insurance policy until we find a new number 1. AAV doesn't break the bank and the term gives us flexibility.
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  23. On Norlinder, he showed good offensive instincts, a better version of Wideman and room to improve On the 😧 Guhle is the real deal and Xhekaj seems like a great depth D that may become as good as Chiarot if he can keep improving. I do not remember much of Trudeau On Fs: I am so glad for Gallagher. Caufield looks great! I liked Dadonov, even if he seemed to turnover the puck a few times too many. The Dvorak line showed good potential. Dach is much better than I though, I like him.
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  24. Nice shot from Guhle on the goal, that certainly won't hurt his confidence. Xhekaj looks good as well. Gignac looks just like he did for Laval in the playoffs as a shifty, energetic player that makes a lot happen. He's not making the team obviously but I'm glad he's still in the organization.
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  25. Seems like there are rumblings in Ottawa that their 3rd pair is not set and that they tried unsuccessfully to unload Zaitsev this summer https://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/2022-09-29/rondelle-libre/peu-de-places-pour-les-jeunes-finalement.php To Ottawa: Armia ($3.4M/3yrs = $10.2M total) and Fairbrother To Montreal: Zaitsev ($4.5M/2yrs = $9M total) and Guenette The Habs unload Armia for veteran RD, save $1M total and get an RD longshot. The Sens get rid of Zaitsev, get a bottom-6 winger that fits their mold better, albeit at a $1M more total but better spread out on the salary cap. They get a depth LD that I think has a better shot in Ottawa than in Montreal
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  26. Good to see Montembeault is in mid-season form already with one of those 'how did that go in' goals allowed already.
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  27. I disagree with Burglar. Added my comments. Didn't see any replay or any description, was at the Bell Centre. Pezzetta had a very good game overall. Fighting hard for 13th forward.
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  28. That is IMO a very generous description that totally omits Primeau's PATHETIC post coverage on the play ... without which, no matter how many pings or pongs occurred, there would have been no goal.
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  29. Obviously I'm not guaranteeing he will make it. I'm just saying the type of player he looks like. The #62 is appropriate as he looks a lot like a Centre version of Arturri Lehkonen.
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  30. It's a shame that we don't have that arena culture here. Saw a preseason Mooseheads game which was full of UK navy guys off their boat. Was the loudest game id been to!
    1 point
  31. Youre in Stockholm. Thats soccertown. You need to go northwest to Leksand to experience the SHLs best fans. To bad Heineman isnt there. 🙂
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  32. They could finish near the bottom because they are just not good enough but they are not outright tanking, what Chicago is doing is tanking. I think tanking is the most misused term on this board but I am just repeating myself here. "Tanking in sports refers to the practice of intentionally fielding non-competitive teams to take advantage of league rules that benefit losing teams."
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  33. Between David Savard, Chris Wideman, Justin Barron, Jordan Harris, and Madison Bowey, they have enough players if a warm body who can play in the NHL for one season is the criteria. They need a long term solution at the position, either through development of one of the above named prospects or a trade, but for a season we aren't expecting to compete, there are enough warm bodies to dress three RD per night.
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  34. Not a price that the Habs would be interested in paying so good luck in Dallas
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  35. His game was fading, and he wasn't interested in playing for around league minimum. Makes sense to transition to higher paying TV jobs.
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  36. Only time will tell; but seems fine to me for a team with zero good RH d-man, bit of overpayment but dont think massive, but just my impression. https://dobberhockey.com/2022/09/19/fantasy-impact-dallas-stars-acquire-nils-lundkvist/ The Rangers get: a better pick (likely) than the one that was used to draft Lundkvist in the first place (28th overall in 2018), plus an additional pick in the middle round. Pretty good asset management, when looked at it from that standpoint. The Stars get: a right-shot prospect defenseman who just one year ago was widely considered as one of the two or three highest upside defensemen outside of the NHL. While Lundkvist struggled a little acclimating to North America, keep in mind that he was a stranger in a strange land. With a year of experience under his belt acclimating to the language, the culture and the bigger rinks, the 22-year-old is better equipped to handle the 2022-23 season.
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  37. Same here. And that's not a bad thing either; a big role in junior is exactly what I'm hoping he gets.
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  38. I would like Slick Nick to set a new bar for the 21st century Habs: follow in the footsteps of Gainey, Robinson, and Dryden and learn to speak serviceable conversational French. No one expects perfection, just an honest effort. While I decry the media hysteria around this, I also lament that subsequent generations of Habs declined to follow the lead of those three legends. All three of them benefitted from the decision, not least Dryden, who became a credible candidate for Liberal Party of Canada leader, and would not have been so if his French were at zero.
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  39. in his media tour, Suzukie stopped by Julie Snyder's show. It has been a slow week, so I am posting the interview here. She can be cringie or cute depending on your level of booze.
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  40. After all the money lost due to Covid, you knew this was coming, and the reality is that once its there it's never going back. As for placement, they put it where it is prominent... front of the jersey is shown more on TV then on the shoulders. You think that if they could get double for two shoulders, they wouldn't do that? LOL. They are putting it where its making the most money. Both players and owners want this, so it's a battle we can't win. Might as well just accept it at this point.
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  41. I expect that based on the rookie tournament Slafkovsky will either be inducted into the HoF or tarred and feathered ... meaning far too much will be made of whatever happens ... for the "bigger name" players this is just a tune-up for the full training camp.
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  42. Moore? 12 years on the Habs, two Art Ross trophies (one of them with his wrist in a cast), twice first-team all star, six Cups, HoF, an all-time points record that stood for seven years. Sorry, I think Moore very much deserved to have his number retired.
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  43. That’s not too much too much to hope for is it?? It’s not like I’m hoping he will be an Ovechkin 😁
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  44. It’s got to be BPA IMHO. “Reaching” based on position gets you Kotkaniemi rather than Quinn Hughes.
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  45. Flatling progression - always a worrisome sign IMHO. (Although there are always exceptions, e.g., Guy Lafleur). Primeau is a huge "meh" to me and I am skeptical he will ever amount to much, but let's hope he can take a step forward. We had to sign him, anyhow; it's carnage in nets even with him in the organization.
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  46. I can't find much in the CBA about this unfortunately. It talks about the process for certifying an injury and forms to file but that's about it. I think I can fill in some blanks with the bits and pieces I know, however. Teams can ask for a physician to declare the player permanently disabled (unable to return). We've seen that around the league in recent years - Marian Hossa, Brent Seabrook, and Andrew Shaw are examples. (My understanding is that the Habs tried to get that sign-off for Weber last year and were denied by the league. Vegas might have more success if they try that now since he has been gone for a year.) If everyone's on board, that declaration is made and short of showing up for medicals at camp and failing, the player doesn't have to do anything. If the league isn't agreeing to that declaration, the player then has to make himself available for testing at the league's request at intervals set by the league dependent on the nature of the injury. This happened with Weber last year who flew in I believe three times, the last of which came late in the year around the time Lafleur died and he made a brief appearance at the Bell Centre in a pregame ceremony. The physician assesses and sends the relevant paperwork to the league and if it's all in order, the player can remain on LTIR. For players that have a realistic chance of returning to the ice, this process would continue until either they do return or it's eventually ruled that they can't. As for insurance, a lot depends on whether or not the contract is insured in the first place - many aren't and some that are insured aren't at 100%. I deal a bit with an LTD provider at my job and I know they work with the doctors for the employee on what the proper care plan is and I presume a similar process is done here. For someone like Byron who should return, that process is more rigorous than someone whose career is known to be over. There would be regular follow-up assessments getting done and information getting shared all around. But with Seabrook (for example) getting that permanently out designation, I don't think there's anything they can do. A permanent injury would qualify as cause to pay out whatever was agreed upon in the policy. Now, can insurance force Price to undergo the required surgery to have a chance at returning? I have a hard time thinking they can if Montreal's doctors and Price's are both saying quality of life factors have to be taken into consideration. But that's just a guess on my part. Hopefully that helps a bit.
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  47. Fox and Trouba both shoot right for the Rangers, and the Habs don’t have a single d man of that calibre. He’s certainly got more opportunity in mtl
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  48. 3.36M isn't an albatross, it's more of a seagull - and that's if he's barely an NHLer. If he tops out as a third liner he'll only be slightly overpaid. Great deal by Hughes.
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  49. The article includes a link to a video from Habs TV on their draft process ... I love Gorton's quote "don't fall in love with the character without the talent" ... it was in response to Lapointe apparently arguing for a player whose best attribute was character ... interesting that was about the only time that Lapointe spoke during what was shown of the actual meetings ... Is that a message from the Habs ... Martin Lapointe is the Director of Player Personnel and Amateur Scouting, while Nick Bobrov is Co-director of Amateur Scouting ... but it certainly is made to look like Bobrov carries more weight in the room.
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