Plutarch
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Sorry to jump in the middle of a discussion with a seperate point but..
Where do we think Gallagher is as a player now? On a mediocre team would he be a middle six? Exclusively a 3rd line guy? Or is he broken down to 4th line?
Obviously his likelihood of injury would make any team weary but would he be a league min, 2M, 3M? What is he at now?
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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:
Laval's training camp roster (for now):
Hjorth... haven't seen that name before!
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17 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
Per CapFriendly the Habs are $6,177,916 over the cap with 27 players ... so as many as 7 players could be "moved", having a minimal 20-man roster for the first game and then do the LTIR stuff "in-season" and fill-out the roster ... so I wouldn't say it is guaranteed that they have to LTIR before the season ... and that is without any as yet unexpected trades.
Yeah I think the issue there is that guys with bonuses being sent down is suboptimal for reasons @dlbalr understands 😛
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29 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
I think this is where they're at once they send the four waived players from yesterday down:
F (18) Suzuki, Caufield, Newhook, Dach, Anderson, Slafkovsky, Dvorak (inj), Monahan, Ylonen, Gallagher, Armia, Evans, Pearson, Pezzetta, Harvey-Pinard, Heineman, Andersson, Maillet
D (11) Matheson, Guhle, Savard, Harris, Xhekaj, Kovavcevic, Barron, Mailloux, Norlinder, Lindstrom, Wideman (inj)
G (4) Montembeault, Allen, Primeau, Price (inj)
Maillet should be on waivers today, possibly Andersson as well.
I'm so curious what they are going to do.
Is it basically confirmed now that price will have to go on ltir?
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9 hours ago, dlbalr said:
Of the bubble players, I think Heineman helped his cause tonight. A bit more edge to his game even if the results weren't there. Farrell wasn't in an ideal spot but he looks like someone that could be in the next group of cuts.
Is there an updated list of guys at camp still?
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4 hours ago, JoeLassister said:
Late on this, but so far, I wouldn't call getting a player that haven't put up more than 32 pts per season as a Habs "coming out as solid winners"...
I mean just in terms of enjoyment... I do enjoy watching Anderson a lot.
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19 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
This is one of those trades where the trade tree could go on and on for a long time...
What's the Karlsson trade for us now?
Out
Mike Hoffman
Rem Pitlick
In
Tanner Pearson - chance of deadline move but likely not given injury history.
Gustav Lindstrom - probably just not resigned.
Nathan Legare - probably just not resigned.
2nd 2025
3rd 2025
4th 2025
+ 2.3M Dead Cap for 2 Years
Not bad but we are up in capspace now. Will be hard to be able to put price on IR. Any ideas out there?
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15 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:
There is a lot more to the story. It went from a big deal, to the Blue Jackets and their players trying to put it out and everything seemed fine. Then out of nowhere the NHLPA had an emergency meeting about some new things they found out. The next day it was reported the Blue Jackets were told there wasn't a path forward with Babcock. From the Blue Jackets statement it sounded like they told Babcock he had to resign, so it wasn't Babcock's choice.
The only question is are we going to get the full story. The answer is probably not.
I really don't remember the players union being this engaged before.
Am I right in that?
Or perhaps things normally are done quietly because players also don't want a media circus.
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1 hour ago, revvvrob said:
2nd period.
much stronger overall period for the Habs.
Guys like Simoneau and Smilanic were spark plugs working their tails off.
Heineman, Mysak were visible! Still disappointed with Mesar, Roy and Kidney.
Laoouian has a shot it seems. Gets it on net and varies it up.
Novak, Dufort, Ortiz, Demin, Tourigny - meh.
still liking Struble.
Funny how games look different.
Found Tourigny very interesting.
Roy to me really felt above the rest the team.
Meanwhile, I only noticed Smilanic when he was giving the puck over and Ortiz was particularly sketchy imo.
Though I agree with everyone that Mailloux was all over the place.
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On 8/18/2023 at 7:16 PM, GHT120 said:
Neither Souray or Caufield are QBs ... both are BOMBERS.
On 8/18/2023 at 7:29 PM, Commandant said:You still need that distributor as well as someone to work the front/side of the net and play in the bumper position.
The biggest difference in the successful PPs now vs that Souray PP though is that teams are creating scoring chances much closer to the net. Its easier to beat a goalie from 10 feet than from 60
My idea wasn't them both at the point.
Was to have a qb on the back with Souray with Caufield playing closer on the other side. Regardless I agree that having the traditional weber/Souray pp setup doesn't work. I just don't think that means a player with that shot isn't useful on the pp.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Markov was a distributor. He would still work on a PP today. A PP run through a Souray type wouldn't though.
Maybe if you had Souray on one side and a Caufield on the other. Then the d can't cheat as easy but you'd ideally want the point shot to be able to do a good seem pass.
It's just about diversity of looks.
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Think Byron is retiring?
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13 minutes ago, tomh009 said:
We’ll have a much better idea of his defensive capabilities and issues after a season in Laval.
Yeah, he may have a rough rookie year adjusting to the speed (as many dmen seem to).
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On 8/11/2023 at 4:44 PM, DON said:
Big shot, good sized, skates well and has OK puck skills...just one main area of weakness, not bad.
Karlsson sucks defending and he won Norris, so who knows and I cant wait to finally see him in a Hab jersey in Sept.
The whole bit about him not handling the puck well in his own end under pressure.. at the ohl level.. is a tad more of a concern I'd say. Considering he has more of a size and skating advantage there.
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In my mind... we really got a 2nd for Hoffmann unretained before the season even started! That is a huge win.
Everything else is just gravy on top...
Petry will get a return of some kind. Win there.
DeSmith will either outplay Allen or get claimed on waivers.
Pitlick was likely just going to sit in the A or get claimed off waivers too.
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23 hours ago, dlbalr said:
Joel Teasdale signs an AHL deal with Iowa so he won't be back.
I was oddly focused on rooting for him. Saw him in the Mem cup and loved his game. Bummed injuries have taken such a toll.
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2 hours ago, huzer said:
I knew someone would focus on the player I randomly chose. It’s ok to disagree. Simply put, I don’t view Hoffman as the roadblock and roster liability that most here seem to. Doesn’t mean I want to extend him. Just means I don’t think the Habs need to go above and beyond to trade him, nor do I think they should try to assign him to Laval. Waive Pitlick, sit Armia, heck, sit Hoffman. RHP is a cool story and all, but folks are acting like him starting in the AHL is a massive disservice to a potential superstar forward. No youth getting a chance? There are what, 9 players 23 and under that will be on the roster opening day.You said you didn't understand why Hoffmann was targetted as much as he has. I just said some reasons people do.
Felt your comment was a tad hyperbolic going with the 19 year old 😛
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19 hours ago, huzer said:
Anyway, Hoffman was only behind Suzuki, Caufield, and Dach in scoring last season. I'm honestly baffled why he has been singled out as as issue for the roster. Signed for another few years? Sure, that would suck. But he's on an expiring contract. He's not keeping anyone significant out of the lineup. We as fans always talk about rushing guys to the NHL, but then complain when 19 year old Joshua Roy may not get an opportunity because of Hoffman.
It's not a 19 old Roy that he's taking a spot from. It's 23 Ylonen or 24 RHP. RHP probably will start the season in the AHL because of Hoffman existing.
He'll need offensive minutes to boost value when one of these heading into their prime could prove themselves instead.
He doesn't really help his teammates produce.
He doesn't do anything on defense.
Plays with the intensity of a slug.
Basically just bad modelling for a player like Caufield who's best weapon is also his shot.
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16 hours ago, GHT120 said:
Habs are currently over the $82.5M cap ceiling ... This season Gallagher's contract pretty much guarantees that, absent trades/waiver-losses, Price has to go on LTIR ... that means that any of the $4.21M in potential bonuses for this season that are earned would carry-over and count against next season's cap, that the Habs cannot accrue any cap space to potentially use at the deadline and that roster/cap management is more complicated throughout the season (e.g., have to pretty much be at $93M in total AAV to start the season to maximize Price's LTIR).
Going forward it restricts what HuGo could potentially spend on UFAs.
A bad contract is always a bad contract ... Gallagher has to (a) stay healthy and (b) get back to at least 20 goals and 60 points to change that (IMO).
Yes but we aren't contending and don't have contracts that will really test our cap.
My point was people won't be hating on him too hard because it doesn't really matter. he will still work incredibly hard and be a great leader on the third line till he can't play anymore.
Meanwhile guys like Armia and Hoffmann are overpaid, don't bring intangible elements, and are preventing young guys.
I just hope we don't turn on Gally over his contract when we aren't even competing.
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5 hours ago, huzer said:
My point was not necessarily that he will magically be worth a high pick, more that the Habs are not in a position where they need to sweeten a deal for someone to trade for him. Retain salary, sure. Add a pick or prospect to take him? Heck no.
Given their histories, Gallagher, Monahan, Evans, Savard, and Matheson will probably be injured before training camp even starts, and Armia will have a mystery illness.
Oh well, after this season, we can stop whipping on Hoffman and turn our nastiness on Gallagher and his anchor of a contract. Although I guess enough are annoyed with Armia, too.
Honestly... I don't know how much Gallagher's contract will actually impact us. We have like 6M free now... 10M next year... Cap goes up dramatically after that.. then by that point I imagine he's on ltir if we are being realistic.
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2 minutes ago, Plutarch said:
Brad Brown is in shambles
Or Terry Ryan... Man 90s was a rough time for Habs drafting Newfoundlanders in the 1st round!
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26 minutes ago, DON said:
So OK Bigger, slower, older and a different type player... but still a Newfie.
Will he be the 2nd best Newfoundlander the Habs have had or the best?
Brad Brown is in shambles
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9 hours ago, revvvrob said:
I feel like I’m about to ask a dumb question …
Couldn’t the Habs bury Armia or Hoffman in the AHL and have their cap hit deducted (or some of it). I know it’s wishful thinking someone would claim them on waivers, but seems like it would allow them to avoid LTIR for Price.
They'd save 1.1M each according to capfriendly by burying them.
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9 hours ago, revvvrob said:
I feel like I’m about to ask a dumb question …
Couldn’t the Habs bury Armia or Hoffman in the AHL and have their cap hit deducted (or some of it). I know it’s wishful thinking someone would claim them on waivers, but seems like it would allow them to avoid LTIR for Price.
I think players around the league don't like that and it's a bad rep hit.
Plus they may not be great AHL influences and are taking development minutes away from guys. While simply eliminating any trade value.
But they totally could.
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