Plutarch
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18 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:
I hope he is press boxed too, but for the sake of Drouin the person.This reminds me of when Brashear was ridiculed by Tremblay at practice as a scapegoat.
Yes, I am a softy and have defended Drouin. And I find it odd that at this point of the season, after such a humiliating loss, the biggest news is that Drouin was late for a team meeting
Talk about kicking the dog while he is down
we all know Drouin has turned into Gomez 2.0 and that he is not coming back to the Habs and probably not coming back to the NHL. Just the timing of this is so convenient to deflect attention away from real problemsI really wonder what he could be of he was in phx without the media storm or any public pressure. He's still good enough skill wise to be a offensive 3rd liner on a bad team who fills top six when there's injuries.
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2 hours ago, Commandant said:
He's denied involvement.... which of course doesn't prove anything, but when you compare that to Formenton, who hasnt denied involvement and didn't re-sign with the Sens, i think we can read into it at least a little.
Remember the roster is 23 players and it is 8 who are accused, so the majority of the roster wasn't involved.
Its obviously a horrible situation and I think anyone who was involved should get the Formenton treatment, there are also 15 players who haven't even been accused of doing anything wrong and don't deserve any punishment.
Admittedly I thought he was still among the non denials.
That being said prior to this going public Hart had a bit of reputation out west in the junior scene...
I only brought it up though because I thought he hadn't denied involvement. So I won't suggest it again off junior scene rumors alone.
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22 minutes ago, dlbalr said:
It depends on how sold they are on Samuel Ersson and if they think they'll actually be able to get Ivan Fedotov over next season. I don't think Ersson is a true starter just yet and Fedotov almost certainly is going to sign back in the KHL after the military fiasco so I don't think they can really move on from Hart just yet. I know it's a popular theory out there but he's 24. 24-year-olds shouldn't be too old to be part of a rebuild.
I think Carter Hart is not going to escape from the WJ scandal. So they may not have a choice but to move on.
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4 hours ago, dlbalr said:
If you're curious, Montreal's at 78 out of 90 on that list. With a high number of picks again, however, that should creep into the low 80's by the time they get through who will and won't sign this summer.
I am more curious where I pulled that 90 number from hahaha. No idea why I knew that.
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1 hour ago, Commandant said:
Yes but none of the teams are close to it.
And you could always just renounce your rights to an unsigned player in any event.
Yeah so that one basically would never factor into anything (other than PHX keeping all the players they in theory could draft lol)
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11 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Keep in mind he’s spent half of the year playing with AHL caliber wingers and washed up garbage has beens like Hoffman. Losing CC and getting saddled with the guts s he’s been not good Wally a fair assessment. I think he is still going through his own growing pains as well. I think we won’t know what he is for another two years, but I think at the very least he’ll be a very good 2C. Which is also been a gap -Dvorak certainly is not even close to being a legit 2C. What a waste of picks he was!
Two picks. At least the 1st was a 27th OA. Our 2024 2nd is yet to be done. Though we likely can get a vaguely similar package retained at a deadline next year. I don't think it'll end up being terrible. May come out in the wash.
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On 3/3/2023 at 9:03 PM, Commandant said:
Neither Henrickson or Lund are under contract.
Okay, then you're probably on to something.
Side note: Is there like... a 'in organization' limit? Like 90?
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On 12/14/2022 at 3:44 PM, Plutarch said:
I guess I wasn't clear in my earlier posts. I was trying to find possible moves for each player. That doesn't mean they are the best moves.
I wasn't focusing on Appleton because I want him. He just was the expendable player that has SOME potential value next season to flip for a mid round pick. Having a bottom six guy next year to play harder defensive minutes then flip for a 4-5th isn't a terrible move. IF you can't find a use for your retention spots.
Also I find it very hard to believe we will be using all three of our retention slots this deadline without one on Drouin.
I 100% do not mean to be rude but you say these three way retention trades are increasing... They aren't as far as I can tell. 2020: 1 Lehner, 2021: 3 Janmark, Foligno, Savard. 2022: 1 Domi. Basically there was one year where it happened more. It will take off in the future but not yet. Maybe it's GM's not liking helping out the teams or owners arent into taking on salary just yet due to lost revenues (yes they are high now but maybe they are still hesitant).
I guess I don't see why the idea of losing one of our retention spot for the 1 or 2 deals that might use it when there are likely 10 other teams capable. Makes a retaining Drouin trade a terrible idea.
Sure the Winnipeg one might be not great but i don't see any other team that would be vaguely interested. So realistically Drouin probably is just going to hang with us the rest the season.
On 12/14/2022 at 4:35 PM, dlbalr said:One retention slot will be Monahan and I'm quite confident at least one will be a third-party retention slot. They're already being linked as a team that's expected to do so and with them having some LTIR room, they can do so without much issue. I think the preference for #3 right now is Dadonov who should have more value than Drouin's (which isn't saying much). Hoffman would be a darkhorse if they opt to retain a bit to match salary in a player-for-player swap which would be better than retaining 50% on Drouin for next to nothing. I was hoping Byron might be back at some point and him at 50% for his PK ability might have had a taker or two but that's not happening by the looks of it.
Five of those in three years is an increase compared to what it was before although truth be told, I thought there were more last year. I know I wrote about third-party possibilities enough on PHR that I suspected there were more than that a year ago but I do appreciate you taking the effort to look that up. I do expect there will be several moves like that this season. With some sellers having retention slots and not much of value to trade, they'll get creative and with way more cap-strapped teams this time around, they'll find willing partners.
With Drouin, I just don't see a team that would want him, including the Jets. If you're a team that wants to go far in the playoffs, is he really who you'd want to add? If the answer is no, then they should be pivoting toward looking for other options to use those slots on. Maybe I'm wrong and he goes on a nice run and someone wants him. That'd be nice but I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Well we didn't use our three retention slots... But the teams certainly blew the floodgates off using retention in trades this deadline!!! My doubt was misplaced in league GMs 😛
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22 minutes ago, Commandant said:
The habs gave up on Henrikson long ago. Didn't even know we still had the guy's rights.
Sund is Engstrom's defence partner. He's 27, but maybe Montreal wants to bring him over. He'll be UFA on July 1st so we aren't getting much with his "signing rights" in any event, but I do think we wanted to at least talk to him without tampering.
I mean it could really just be a contract slot thing. Pitts adding Bonino needed to ditch a contract. Montreal didn't want to add one for retaining so we send a dude to SJ.
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Not really a rumor... But all the moves got me looking at MTLs lineup next year.
I'll assume we don't lose everyone to injury... to start the year should have 9 NHL dmen next season.
NHL Roster Locks: (LD) Matheson and Edmonston (RD) Savard (LD/RD) Guhle and Harris.
Leaves one spot on the RD for: (Rd) Kovacevic, Barron, Wideman and LD/Rd Xhejak.
what do you guys think the plan will be offseason?
I figure Edmonston is gone or honestly maybe LTIR. Seems headed that way.
Now that's two spots for four guys. Probably keep Wideman up as a 7th dman to sit him? Have one of Barron or Xhejak in AHL to start like earlier this year? Or are they too good for that? I could see Xhejak maybe having a soft more slump from the pressure or the injury? But seems like a super determined kid and doesn't seem like that 'take a step back' kind of player...
Think Barron could use more AHL time?
or are we going to end up moving a young dman for a forward?
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My biggest concern with the Slaflovsky decision is Gordon is coming from an org that has really screwed up and pissed off high draft picks, in NY. Load Anderson, Kratsov, Lafreniere, Kaako.....
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Using a retention slot, giving Dallas an upgrade and giving them 400k in cap space...
For a 25 year old 'project' RFA we get 20 odd games to judge?
I feel this deal is mainly us doing Dadanov a solid.
I am concerned we may give this guy a bad contract though if he gets a 'new team boost' then sucks after. Hopefully we do a 1 year prove it deal with him if he has a hot few weeks.
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These are basically the GMs I have some memory of. I was alive for the last cup win and tail end of Serge Savard but I don't have any memory of it...
Rejean Houle: 1995-2000
Andre Savard: 2000-2003
Bob Gainey: 2003-2010
Pierre Gauthier: 2010-2012
Marc Bergevin: 2012-2021
In my mind they go like this...
Can't decide on Gainey/Bergevin but then A. Savard, Gauthier, Houle.
Thoughts? For some reason A. Savard doesn't have a real place in my memory.
Top Two
Bergevin
- hey got a cup final and a conference final
- gifted most his core though by Gainey drafts
- failed to ultimately build a real contender
- sweeeeeet trades
- very less sweet development
- very enjoyable media presence after Gauthier and all that shit. For what that's worth.
Gainey
- it's kinda hard to rate him because of rumors he delegated a lot due to the tragic passing of his daughter.
- But anyways trades/signings. The Gomez trade has to be balanced out by the Patches/George's trade. Plus that culture purge to move on from Kovalev/Komi/Higgins/Lats to give Price a better environment and signing Gionta/Gomez/Cammalleri. Led to the Halak run, one of my favourite hockey memories.
- drafting... Best of anyone on the list. Sure missed some 1st round picks but strong depth drafting.
The Other Guy
A. Savard
I mean acquiring Gilmour was hilarious to see leaf fans get upset...
God Why Did You Happen
Gauthier
- I hate this man. All the negativity from former players about his time as GM... Spacek, Gill, Cammalleri. Everyone was saying it.
- trading up to draft tinordi, the Halak trade and apperent lack of shopping...
- also just seemed like a miserable human lol
Houle
- I think we all know, as much as I have immense distain for Gauthier. Houle was something else. Oh the trades... Roy, Recchi VinnyD, Tucker, ROY.... Missing on like every 1st round choice... Yikes.
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7 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I seriously doubt that Linden would want anything to do with the owners who drove him out of the organization and refused to listen to him, preferring the stupidities of certified imbecile Jim Benning. Linden’s a smart cookie - likely too smart to go for that.
True. Dealing with that ownership would take years off his life.
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50 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
Ownership is the underlying problem for sure. And yep, Linden was 100% correct. Some organization should scoop him up, assuming he is willing to leave Vancouver (which is not self-evident, as he has a range of business interests here).
54 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:Their paying for ownership’s mistake of siding with Benning over Linden, because of Benning’s willingness to give them the plan they wanted, rather than the one they needed.
Buffalo was in a similar boat because ownership sided with that back-stabbing idiot Murray over Lafontaine.Think the ownership group would be to proud to hand the team over to Linden of Rutherford runs for the hills?
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17 hours ago, tomh009 said:
xGF% is pretty much even between the two on naturalstattrick.com. Which site were you using for your stats? Everyone has a somewhat different algorithm.
Hockey reference I believe
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21 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Corsi includes blocked shots, shots on goal and shots that miss the net.
Fenwick only includes shots on goal and shots that miss the net.
As things have advanced, I like xGF% more. Not all shot attempts are equal. A shot from the front of the net and a shot from the perimeter are not the same.
In a few years when we have better player tracking, we probably will get an even newer stat that is better.
Sorry I knew the difference in Fenwick Corsi. I meant I was surprised to see it reflect better on Kova when the others favor Romanov.
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Figure this is the right thread for this question/comparison.
I haven't been able to watch much hockey at all this season. So, I'm curious about Kovacevic vs Romanov.
Roman - Kova
GP: 52 - 46
TOI: 20.0 - 16.4
G/a: 1-15 - 1-5
Both have basically the same zone usage and play PK.
Advanced Stats
Expected Goals for Against difference.
Kova -6.3
Roman -4.0
PDO
Kova 99.8
Roman 101.6
Corsi/Fenwick (even strength)
Kova +3.4/+2.5
Roman -3/-2.6
Seems like Romanov is just a better Kova... But what's with the Corsi/Fenwick?
How interchangeable are they?
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So I'd the verdict that Jayden Struble is donezo as a prospect?
Even still... Guhle, Harris, Xhejak, Hudson, Barron, Mailloux + the unlikely Stumble/Norlinder... Oh and Kove..
that's a very very good core of dmen prospects... Though I'm starting to fall into the Mailloux won't make it camp. Offense is there but the defense + penalty issue is sketchy.
I still have faith in Barron being a reliable 5 who will be able to jump up if needed for stretches.
Guhle-Hudson (any chance he plays Rd haha)
Harris-Barron r
Xhejak-Kovech r
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Teasdale in three straight! I'm going to keep hoping he can recover from all the injuries and be a 4th liner 😛
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I was just going through random draft picks. Two names made me curious.
Brett Lernout (27 now) - remember him being a solid ahler. But after he left us he played 38 then 12 games in pandemic seasons. Nothing in 21-22 or 22-23...
Casey Staum (25 now)- 2016 5th rounder.
Played a bit of USHL then 11 games in NCAA. Nothing since. Anyone know what happened there?
Did the pandemic just end guys careers?
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Why the Fxck would we be adding anything???? Even if we didn’t add anything, I’m don’t think I’d want to make that deal, even though I’d live to get Broberg.
Broberg is very frustrating to watch. He is very good at skating... But doesn't seem capable of doing anything else. The amount of times I've seen him skate himself into trouble... It's shocking. I want no part of that player. Maybe he clicks but I wouldn't bet on it.
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49 minutes ago, Commandant said:
He's 21. If the issue is handling physicality, he certainly has time to bulk up.
I'd be more worried if it was a skill issue.He is 21 and hasn't played a lot of hockey over the past few years.
18 - 19-20 in q 34/62 due to blood clot issues (no skating BC blades + blood thinners are no bueno... not sure on working out)
19 - 20-21 mainly in q 40 games total due to pandemic.
20 - 21-22 mainly in ahl only 48 games and an April ankle injury which probably impacted his offseason.
He will need more time to season. Great skater, offensive upside, solid frame to put weight on. He should be fine.
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2 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I’m not so sure I want them to trade Anderson. Meanwhile, yes, Drouin’s NHL career is kaput and no GM will ship out assets for him. Maybe someone will offer him a PTO next season - but Europe is his likeliest destination.
I think he could revive himself in PHX.
Having zero pressure whatsoever may save his career.
Rushing Prospects, Why does it always seem to happen?
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I think your issue with the Guhle injury is not a rushing prospects thing.
Guhle is 21. Injuries would happen at the AHL level too. This issue is a 'play through it' culture issue in hockey generally.
Slaflovsky in the NHL at 18 and getting rocked repeatedly because he doesn't skate with his head up... Ends up injured long term... That's a rushing prospect issue.
Let him learn that at the AHL level against slower guys... Not at NHL speed.