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I'm hearing a message that seems a bit contradictory.
I've read on these boards for years that Trevor Timmons is one of the best at drafting in the NHL.
Now I'm hearing that "inept drafting and development" goes back to 08.
So I have three questions.
1. Is our drafting a strength or a weakness compared to other teams?
2. I agree that our player development is seems to be poor. So who are the guilty ones responsible for our poor developing of young players.
I assume that Sylvain Levebre [sp?] is one.
Who are others?
3. What changes do we have to make?
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
Goalies never bring that type of return.
Do you think Martin Brodeur or Patrick Roy could have brought that kind of return?
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For argument sake, let's say MB and Price's agent sit down and after talking it was agreed by both sides that the best option would be for us to trade him, Price agrees with the move. What do get for him.
With his awards, trophies, past successes and playing on the WJC, Olympics and other world tournaments and considered the best goalie in hockey by many this would be my asking price:
A top line centre.
A second top young asset.
Two first round picks, or a first and a high second.
What do you think?
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As I'm watching the Rangers and Montreal, I'm noticing something. NY's plan seems to be they want to carry the puck into our zone most of the time and then tries to set up.
We seem to dump it in more often than not, give it right back to them and then try to take it away from them. This was MT's system, I wonder if CJ is going to change that?
I really hope so if he wants us to be a stronger possession team.
What do you think?
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If Beaulieu, a 1st and McCarron is not enough, what about adding Juulsen to get Duschene?
You're getting maybe a 2nd or 3d pairing young defenceman, a top defensive prospect, a big solid potential 3d liner and a 1st round pick. I'd even add a 2nd round pick this year and one next year if that's what was needed to get it done.
So you offer Beaulieu, a 1st, McCarron, Juulsen and a 2nd next year.
I think at this point I would do want I had to do to get Duschene because of what he would add to our team.
In terms of rebuilding isn't that a pretty good return for a 60 point player. And we keep Sergachev.
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I wonder if a first, Noah Juleson [sp?] and Gallagher would get it done for Duschene? Maybe add Beaulieu if we got a decent defenceman back??
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So we're past the half way point of the season. Last year our epic collapse is in the books. Everyone seemed to feel that if Montreal got off to a bad start to the season MT would be on a short lease and a coaching change might be coming. But we got off to a very hot start.
But now after here we are after 55 games, with 27 games remaining we have won just 3 out of their last 10.
I guess the questions MB has to answer is:
- is this a mid season funk or if we combine all of last season and this season together, has this team played below the expectations?
- with the talent we have should we doing better?? I think yes!
- does the problem lie with the coach and his system?
- is it time to make a coaching change....Claude Julien....if Boston would even give permission for Montreal to talk to him??
My guess is that MB gives MT at least another two weeks. But if we haven't pulled out of this...it may be time!!
What do you think?
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So if we were offering Beaulieu and our 1st, what could we add to get Duchene without giving up Sergachev?
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I think if we want Duchene, trading Galchenyuk for him doesn't make sense to me. If we want to improve significantly would we not be better off trading Beaulieu, a 1st and two prospects, while refusing to include our 1st round pick from last year.
I think I would bite the bullet and give away Scherback and McCarron instead of giving up Galchenyuk. I know that seems like a high price but I think it would instantly move us up with Washington and Pittsburgh ins terms of strength down the middle.
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It is telling that Weber wasn't considered the best player on his own pairing twice in his career. I think he'll be good for our young D prospects and the locker room in certain ways, but contrary to what Bergevin believes that's not enough to win a Cup. You need talent, and we wasted one of the best.
Reading that Galchenyuk piece just made me sad all over again. And not too optimistic on how Radulov will fare under this regime.
What was the Galchenyuk piece. I missed that??
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I love watching PK on and off the ice. I am so disappointed.
So to try to understand MB's hockey strategy, putting aside the ego's etc., I wonder if something like this is his plan.
They ended up drafting Sergachev with the 9th pick. Were they surprised to get him then? Were they maybe expecting to get a forward??
So I wonder if shortly after they drafted him they see him as their future #1 D and wanted a Weber type and Markov to be his role models?
If Weber has 3-4 good years left that gives Sergachev the time to develop into a #1 D.
If they had drafted Nylander maybe this trade never happens??
For me, this is how I think MB is hoping and planning for the future on defence.
I still hate the trade! But if we pick up a very good UFA scoring forward, that will ease the pain a bit with the other positive changes we've
made....Muller, Shaw, Eller, add a very good forward and that will be something to look forward to.
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This has been a great discussion, while we're waiting! I think where I was going with this is that is there a legitimate, doable deal say with Edmonton that would make sense for us to trade PK.
Subban is one of my top three Canadiens, Price, Gally and PK and I absolutely see his value to us. No question.
I guess our speculation here is whether Edmonton would grossly overpay to finally get that caliber defenceman to go along with McDavid and that is more where I was heading. That would give them something special for years to come and maybe bump them out of the rut and the culture that they're in.
I'm thinking that if we get their 4th, say Dubois, and draft the best defenceman available with our 9th pick, and get Hall and a top pairing defenceman, plus something else, and then pick up a top defenceman in free agency, would that not be a game changer and maybe the kind of blockbuster deal we need?
Just saying, I think that kind of deal, if Edmonton was desperate enough, could be something very special for us. And something where all the pieces don't come together very often. So it's certainly worth kicking some tires to see if there's anything that makes sense. I'm certain there have been huge deals struck just with this kind of back an forth between GM's and someone [MB] suddenly gets interested!
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By your responses I think I have way over valued Nurse. I thought he was a star stud defenceman in the making.
Thanks for the input!
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Interesting that you have Brown that low. I've read some negative comments about Brown being lazy but many of the mock drafts have us taking him at #9. He would not be my first pick at 9. I like most of your choices at 9 over Brown.
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For the record, I love PK and every time I hear a rumor of a trade involving him I roll my eyes. But hearing the talk in the media about maybe a trade occurring brought me to the place where I asked myself, is there a trade that I would make with Edmonton where what they were offering would tempt me to trade PK for what they would give us in return.
So let's play GM for a minute and say that Edmonton has made us an offer for PK. The offer is Darnell Nurse, their 4th pick and Yak. Would that be a fair exchange that would benefit both teams.
What do you think?
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Just curious, I don't follow the prospects as closely as most of you do, but assuming we keep our #9 pick, if we had a choice between a Clayton Keller, Logan Brown or Tyson Jost who do you think we should take?
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Sometimes a situation looks good when you're on the outside looking in. But if you're on the inside you know and see things other people don't. For both assistants to refuse a contract offer and leave, to me that says there's something that they're not willing to live with and they both said no to what seems to be a pretty good situation long term.
If for some reason you know you may not enjoy going in to work every day then most people would look elsewhere.
Obviously this is just speculation but when both assistants say no to a one year deal it does look a little suspicious, to me anyway.
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I think the feeling about Roy is pretty unanimous. Has his stock ever fallen since he left the Q. Probably should have stayed there. That's likely where he'll end up again.
On another potential candidate, I heard on Toronto Talk radio this morning that the feeling in Boston is that both Cam Neely and Claude Julien may be out at the end of the season. I think Claude would be a fabulous choice for us, if he was willing to return!
What do you think about Claude as our coach?
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Let me throw something out during these dull wind-down days.
Is there any chance Patrick Roy is removed as coach in Colorado??
Do the A's need a coaching change since they've underachieved and not done very well outside of PR's first year there?
Can they remove him?? He does have some sort of say.
Is he just waiting for Quebec to get a team and then he'll jump there?
Would he be a good coach for us now that he's had a few years of experience in the NHL coaching fraternity?
What do you think?
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OK, so I haven't read back over all the pages on this thread, so I don't know if this has been discussed yet. At this point it seems almost certain we're looking at a coaching change, so who are the top of the list candidates. Here are my picks and I've listed my top picks understanding that some of them are not available right now.
1. Claude Julien - obviously only if Boston decides to make a change.
2. Larry Robinson - has he retired??
3. I'm not familiar with the top QMJHL coaches-but a young up and coming top coach would be my next choice.
4. Alain Vigneault - I'm sure many of you would have him at the top of the list-but for me he's kind of more of MT. I may be wrong??
5. Guy Boucher - When he was our coach in the AHL I really liked him but has he had any success in the NHL??
6. Marc Crawford - Is he still an NHL caliber coach. No one else has seemed to have any interest in him with all the coaching changes.
Assistant coaches: could we lure Jacques Lemaire if Robinson was interested or are his coaching day done?
Coaches I wouldn't want:
1. Sylvain Lefebvre
What are your thoughts??
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I would never give up an almost sure top 4 defence man for a struggling former first round pick. I would't trade Beaulieu for Yak. They'd have to give us much more.
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I think the article is pretty close to what should happen. I also agree that we are not nearly as bad as how we look right now. I would keep Weise. I am mixed on TP but because he is so versatile I think I would keep him. If we are able to upgrade our top 6 I think he will score a bit more, playing with quality players.
My biggest question is the coaching. I was quite happy when we hired MT, but I believe it's time. I never listened to HIO but I've listened to their video twice over the past week and Chris Nilan, who has watched their practices, says there is little teaching and no emphasis on the fundamentals and he sees those mistakes in the games. It's not being corrected in practice and he says they are making those same mistakes in games and it's costing us.
So I agree we need a new coach. But that's where my concern is. I'd love for us to get Lemaire, Robinson, it's probably impossible to get Lemaire, but I wonder if there's a chance we could convince Robinson to come back. Probably unlikely.
From what I've heard Nilan say, we need a coach who is going to teach, work on fundamentals and teach special teams. Is Guy Boucher really the answer for us? That's my biggest concern...finding the right coach.
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Great comments and analysis. I wonder if we will move away a bit this year and next from the "draft the best player available" Sam Pollock approach to "draft the best scorer available" due to our past strong emphasis on drafting d-men and our seeming huge need to get some blue chip scorers?
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Since we're in a freefall and everyone and everything is being looked at, I couldn't help but notice that when we had injuries in December, we had help from the farm but nothing that made a real impact. So my question is, compared to other teams how have we done in the draft over the past 5-7 years, compared to other teams. Trevor Timmons is always talked about in a very positive way. Is that still the case?
What do we have on the farm and in our system, drafted players, compared to other teams. My guess is we're in the middle of the pack. Not the best or the worst in terms of drafting players and having them make an impact on our team.
The last time I counted we have somewhere around half of our team that we drafted and developed and are playing for us today. Is that high?...normal.....or low, compared to other teams.
Then I think of David Fisher, Ryan Obyrne, the Kostitsyns, Danny Kristo [traded but now Christian Thomas is gone], Colberg, Louis Leblanc, and all the other draftees who either never made it, were disappointments, or are in our system and don't look like they'll every make it. I know this happens to all teams but I wonder if there's a way to compare, measure how we're doing?
Is our drafting a strength, are we better than others, or are we behind the better teams in how we draft? Should we have more blue chip prospects, have we passed over blue chippers for not so great ones?
What do you think? How are we doing at the draft table?
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Interesting. The team we laughed at for so many years hired as their president.....a former hockey player, Brendan Shanahan. And look at the results they've been having as a result of the management team he has put together.
Could we be that flawed? That's kind of a scary scenario.