ShortHanded
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I don't really see an opportunity for Chips this season. Even if Dandenault gets traded, he'd still be the 13th forward and it wouldn't be worth keeping him around when he could be playing key minutes in Hamilton.
With all the expiring contracts next year, he should be able to grab a spot, especially with Lang opening up a spot for another centre. If Chipchura misses the team next season, then we'll have passed him by and we'll have missed out on a prospect that could have been a lot more.
The key here is key minutes. I hope he's challenged in Hamilton and gets to play in different roles (offensive and defensive) not just pigeon-holed...
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Cerebus is entitled to believe that Chipchura is a better player than others on the team. People within the Habs' brass could very well think the same way. I'll use the Detroit example again with Darren Helm... Detroit thought he was good enough to play in last year's playoffs but not good enough to start 2008-09 with the team. Convenience of being sent down DOES play a role for sure. I'm sure Detroit guys think Helm is better than vets like Kirk Maltby and Tomas Kopecky, but he doesn't make a big enough difference to jettison any of those guys. Chipchura is in that situation with us. Even if he is better than Dandenault, it's not enough to rid ourselves of a player who still helps us in a different manor. Next year, when for purely financial reasons we can't keep the current 23 man roster together, Chipchura is in line to be the first guy promoted.
All good points saskhab...the only thing is that I suspect next year, Patches will be here before chips, but I also figure there'll be room for both of them...
I think it has more to do with respect for Dandenault. Three offseasons ago, he turned down a bigger offer to come play with us. For two straight years he played the entire season, usually on D, sometimes playing as a forward when we needed him there. Then last year, he lost his spot on D and became a permanent forward on the fourth line. For the first couple of months, he was one of the heroes of the team. Later in the season, he cooled down, was benched for a couple of games and started to complain to Carbonneau/the media. He found his way back into the line-up and was used i nthe playoffs over younger players.This year is the last year on his contract and it's pretty much understood that he won't be back next year. He's also lost his spot on both defence and at forward so he serves no real purpose to the team other than being an abnormally fast 4th liner. But - Gainey remembers 3 years ago, when Dandenault took less money to sign a contract with the Canadiens. With that contract, Dandy's promising he's going to play his best hockey for us and Gainey's promising he's going to give him that chance. I don't think after 2 seasons of being a dependable defenceman and then a third of being a hardworking veteran, Gainey wants to show him any disrespect. They're giving him every opportunity to succeed.
We're probably better off with Chipchura. But is Chipchura better off with us? If his only options are being a core player for the Bulldogs and taking Mathieu Dandenault's 12/13th forward role on the Habs, I think he's better off on the farm.
I think I pretty much agree with everything you said here BTH... I'm bummed out because I just downright like Chips and am annoyed with Dandy... but I can see the position Gainey's in, and it's not so bad for Chips. there is a light at the end of the tunnel, either injuries/trades this year or a really really good chance to make the big club next year....
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It'll be interesting to see the chemsitry on this new line with Lang Skost and Higgy... I'm hoping they click. I like Lats with Tang and Saks... although I do remember in the one exhibitiion game they played together (Higgins Tang and Koivu) they had pretty terrific chemistry too.
Really, I think both Lats and Higgins should be happy regardless of which line they play on... All of these lines are terrific.
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Well, he's been sent down now to Hamilton so we definitely have our answer. My hope is that he get to play LOTS of minutes in hamilton with good players in both Offensive and defensive roles, not only in a minor capacity. Can't remember who said it, but someone mentioned that Don Lever seems to use Chips only in a defensive role. If we all agree that his projected spot on the habs eventually involves offense, then he needs to play in many different situations. I, for one, hope he isn't packaged off in a trade, and gets another chance either sometime this year, or, as Saskhab pointed out, next year when we lose some of our big guys to UFA status...
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Lol. Who would complain about a 164 point season?Habs Fans.
Lol, so sad, but so true...
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I've had some issues with trying to go to full screen. I can watch fine in the "small" size, and then as soon as I go to full screen,the whole thing either goes black or freezes, can't remember which. Is that them or me?
but yeah, the quality is far from perfect. Still,I"m just happy to be seeing Habs games, period. I should demand more for my money...
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I'm excited. However this plays out, it should be an entertaining game to watch.
Go :hlogo: Go!
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I doubt removing Mathieu Dandeneault will have a negative impact on the team's performances...
Seriously. besides, by that criteria, we did lose in OT in the first game, so does he get a shot or no?
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From Habsinsideout.com today:
Chipchura still on the bubble
posted by at 16h40 EST on Oct 12
Kyle Chipchura has been the lone healthy scratch for the Canadiens in their first two games and head coach Guy Carbonneau said he hasn't decided whether to dress Chipchura for Monday night's game against the Flyers in Philadelphia.
The Canadiens held a 45-minute workout in the City of Brotherly Love today with a full roster of 21 healthy players. Injured players Francis Bouillon, Christopher Higgins and Georges Laraque have skated the past two days in Montreal, but none of them is ready to play. Meanwhile, Carey Price will get the start in goal.
come on Carbo, give the guy ONE game. ONE game to see what he can do....
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Thanks Habsfan84!
Anyone know if the line up has actually been confirmed for tonight?? Nothing on Habinsideout yet...
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There's a trend developing...
Robert Lang - 82 goals
Everyone else - 0
HA!!!
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Can't remember who. but someone predicted we wouldn't win the whole first week cuz we always lose to buf on the road, always lose to TO... etc... and then that things would get better after that... It's not the end of the world what happened tonight. Season is 82 games long... Of course we want to win every game, but in terms of true relevance, well, TO beat Detroit in their first game; which of those teams do you like's odds of winning the cup this year...
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It's always someone you don't expect .....I'm going with Steve Bégin unassisted and shorthanded. How's that?
I would have said Lats but then I'd be just like Walmsley.
Price on a 5 on 3 PK
I went for a higher probability... Kovy... I'll be happy no matter who scores it though. I'd just hope we score first...
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The first post in the game threads are nice, and I appreciate the effort, but the important thing for me is the exchange between posters during the game and after it... so as long as there's a thread, that's what matters...
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I guess we'll see. I thought that Higgins-Koivu-Tanguay looked pretty good, but I'm perfectly happy seeing Lats in that spot and seeing what he can do...
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I don't think it would happen but Mikko would send Laps to the minors in a heartbeat and make Lang look completely unnecessary. I suppose Chips needs to look at that scenario to realize what he needs to do to get noticed. Not really sure if my comments entirely fair to Chips but this thread has somehow turned him into a whiny little monster who wants to be traded when the truth is, he's still with the team and fairly close to staying with the team for good real soon.
Heheh... yeah, but it's more us - aka certain fans - who want him to make it. The truth is he's said absolutely nothing to indicate that he's unhappy or impatient for him...
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Confirmed my tix today. I'll see Vinny and Ovechkin in Dec this year. Guess I'll wait till next year to see the Pens, unless we face them in the playoffs this year.
Not bad. Not bad at all... Have a great game!
Assisted by two other former leafs Perrault and Gilmour.,hey! Let's all agree that there should be no knocking Gilmour...
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26 players, 4 are currently injured and at least questionable for Game 1:
C: Plekanec, Koivu, Lang, Lapierre, Chipchura
RW: Kovalev, Tanguay, S Kostitsyn, Kostopolous
LW: A Kostitsyn, Higgins, Latendresse, Begin
D: Markov, Komisarek, Hamrlik, Gorges, O'Byrne, Brisebois, Dandenault
G: Price, Halak
Inj: Bouillon (D), Laraque (RW), Carle (D), Henry (D/W)
When Carle and Henry get healthy, they'll be sent to Hamilton. Bouillon and Laraque will obviously make the team. When all that happens, there will be 24 players on the active roster. So one more move has to be made.
As long as one player is injured, no moves have to be made and Chipchura is on the team.
EDIT: Henry was waived today on his way down to Hamilton.
Dandy, Please Please Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaase let it be Dandy...
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I hope we can sign Higgins. He works so hard when the team isn't on a high. When we are winning, everyone on the ice plays like a superstar, but Higgins just works his butt off every shift. Regardless of the score. He has the best work ethic on the team in my opinion. I remember we went to the Nov. Leafs/Habs game last year, and my wife saying, "That Higgers guy is the only one trying." I laughed when she said Higgers, but she was right.
That's so true.
Of those three, I sign Kovy first. If he's having a great season halfway through, I'd get working on the extension quickly...as his asking price would likely rise with further high production and a deep playoff run. Koivu...it will depend on what kind of season he has. If it resembles last year, I'd only sign him if it was a bargain...and he understood there'd be a likelihood he'd be our 3rd line centre going forward. Tanguay...that'd depend on how our youngsters progress this season. If our wingers come on like gangbusters, you'd have to let Tanguay walk, as the money would be better spent elsewhere.Agreed....unless he can finish more of the plethora of chances he gets, he cant' expect to get paid like a thirty-goal man. This is a make-or-break year for him, in terms of defining his role and pay grade.
Guys, you make it sound like he didn't score 27 last year...He's not that far from 30 goals. What would be so wrong with paying him for 30 goals... He'll probably get them - or very close to that - this year....
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Chips needs to be in Montreal.
Dandy needs to GO.
So so true... why do we have to pick between Lappy and Chips when the two are young and going to be part of this team for a long time while we have someone who would have been moved long ago if not for his God-awful contract on the team? Keep them both and waive Dandy, if he isn't picked up, so what? swallow the salary and cut the ties. He's taking up a valuable spot that just doesn't need to be his. and the argument that he's good as a 13th forward/7th d? Maybe, but they're both better, and younger, and have more upside and future.
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Gaaah! No more hockey until next Friday!! How are we supposed to do without for THAT long. And so spoiled after so many pre-season games so close together...
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latest 3 to be cut, after last night's game: Denis, Max Pac, and Weber... Still hope for Chips then? or no?
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ugh... So my internet crashed about 20 minutes before game time last night, meaning I wasn't able to watch... well, apparently I didn't miss too much. Hopefully better next game. but yeah, from a quick read of some of the comments here and on habsinsideout, I feel a bit of concern too, considering we played what's essentially our starting lineup and had such a weak outing... hopefully more intensity and effort next game...
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Gahh, so that's it for Chipper for now then?
As for lineups, from Habinsideout:
The forward lines – and it's a good bet they'll be facing the Sabres when the season begins in Buffalo – are:
AK46 - Tomas Plekanec - Alex Kovalev
Christopher Higgins - Saku Koivu - Alex Tanguay
Guillaume Latendresse - Robert Lang - SK74
Steve Bégin - Maxim Lapierre - Tom Kostopoulos
Francis Bouillon's injury means Yannick Weber gets another start, paired on defence with Mathieu Dandenault.
Carey Price in nets.
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