SAKS-AVENUE
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I never thought in a million years we would have the toughest player in the NHL put on the red white and blue. Oh shit! I have been wanting this for our team for years. An a$$ kicking mofo that can play. Out of everyone, you know who's balls just got bigger. Lil ####. He started crap on his own anyway, now with big George around he'll become even braver. I Friggin LOVE iT!!!!!!
Who's moving out?
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Even if he does, he had no spot here. Better to get something for him and let him be good elsewhere than to let him rot. I mean, it's not like he'll help the Leafs beat out Montreal for a playoff spot, haha.
From our conversation last night that's one less signing for Bob. Now let's shake Dandy, Boullion
and Begin and we are set for Shanahan and Sundin. 
It could work. O.B and Gorges won't cost too much and we'll have some wiggle room. Very little but some.
****whoops forgot about Halak. He is just as whiny as Grabs. I wonder how much Gainey will give him.
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Not Yet.
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That just doesn't work.
12 forwards: Chipchura, Grabovski, Higgins, AKost, SKost, Koivu, Kovalev, Latendresse, Plekanec, Tanguay, Sundin, Shanahan
6 D: Bouillon, Gorges, Hamrlik, Komisarek, O'Byrne, Markov
2 G: Price and Halak
That's 51.5 million, not including the new contracts for Gorges, Grabs, Halak, and O'Byrne. Say they sign all four for a meager 3.5 million and we're at 55 million. That's only 1.7 million for 3 spare players, plus it would make it very difficult to bring up anyone to cover an injury that doesn't qualify for cap relief.
On top of that, it makes no sense to dump Kostoulos and Lapierre, both of whom are cheap NHLers. I, too, want Chippy up, but it doesn't make sense to trade Lapierre to make room for him, as Chippy's cap hit is more than Lapierre's.
As much as I hate to say trade "the cube" and Begin for draft picks, by doing it and also inserting Valetenko and Stewart puts us 3 million under the cap. I would do it if it meant Shanny and Sundin. 3 mil covers spare players and hopefully we won't have any long term injuries.Although we have all kinds of cheap depth to fill the roles of short term injuries. If Saks goes down we have an extra 4 million to fill the void with whoever.
We can make it work but I'm not Bob Gainey and neither are you. I just want a Stanley cup really soon.
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There is no guarantee Dandy is gone.
If Dandy's contract is up he will be gone. Why would he stick around? or better yet.....Why would we resign him?
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Dude, we can't afford that unless Shanny came for like 800k. After adding in Sundin's 8, they'd only have around 3.5 million to sign Gorges, O'Byrne, Grabovski, Halak, and then Shanny.
It's o.k to be over the cap for a moment. Sign those two for 8 and 2 and clean house to stay under the cap. Waive Dandy, Kosto,Begin, and trade Laps bring up Chips fill the holes and move on. We are trapped by the cap but not like you make it sound.... "impossible". There are ways around it all. Be creative and get what you need.
Oy ya....by the way .....do it now when there is time to figure it out. We all know the trade deadline in March means shit. nobody does anything beause of cap constraints so screw it and take care of the situation now even if it means capping out.
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Definitely. I believe the Rags said they would be unlikely to sign him and Shanahan seems to be exploring his options. We were the team most interested in him last time and, as you guys have said, he has some value as a tutor for Lats. We are a definite possibility although it would mean forfeiting Sundin, which is why it isn't going to happen.
Personally, if we can get Demitra at 5 million, I'll be very happy.
be careful what you wish for. I'm not too keen on Demitra, he's slowed down, not what we need. But Shanny for a low salary and Sundin coming in for Gainey's original offer of 8. Wow.......that would be exciting. That's my wish. Woooooooohooooooo!!!!
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The Komisarek/Higgins deals are top-notch, as are the ones for most of the younger guys. The thing with Olesz is that it's a 6 year deal - paying for potential. I'd imagine would require at least 5-6M for Kostitsyn for a 6 year deal.
Well, I was thinking more along the lines of UFAs such as Roman Hamrlik. Or Mathieu Dandenault, or Steve Begin. Those aren't great value. They're useful players (Dandenault's iffy), but the salary is questionable.
What would you pay Hamrlik? The guy was outstanding last year. Worth every penny. Considering Streit got 4 and we could have given the money to Souray, I'm thrilled with Hammer and what he brings to the club along with what he is paid.
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so contract signed by 4:30pm?
HA! YA, 4:30 p.m September 10th 2008
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O.K
From this I realize Mats has a lot on his mind. If he is about to retire than money certainly is not an option for him,he is set for life and realizes that. He truly will go where his heart leads him. It won't be Vancouver.
I think he will play eventually and it will be for Toronto or Montreal. Since he would like to win a cup i'm putting my bets on Montreal, it just might take a few weeks. So see you guys in a few weeks. No more signings for the Habs as I am sure Gainey would like to keep the door open for Sundin.
Mats Sundin needs more time to decided his future, releasing the following statement.
"I would like to thank all the teams who have expressed such sincere interest in my services."
"The numerous options provided to me were impressive and I have no doubt that each one presented a unique opportunity for me to finish my career in a terrific hockey environment.
"I spent a great deal of time yesterday reflecting upon the teams who stepped forward and the opportunities that each provided."
"Unfortunately, I am simply not close to being ready to make a decision about resuming my career at this time."
"I wish all the teams the very best and thank them for their interest."
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What on earth makes you say that? Seriously. Another year of growth, experience, and improvement from our many young players. Tanguay replacing Streit and Chipchura replacing Smolinski. Two improvements there. The only question is the PP blueliner to go with Markov. Frankly, I have no doubt that Hamrlik, Kovalev, or maybe ever Sergei can play there and do well. We won the East last year and ran out of gas. The bitterness of defeat will make our guys work even harder this offseason so they won't tire during the playoffs again. We have no reason to think we can't play for the Cup next season, with or without another free agent. Stanley Cups are won in June, not July.
I'm very hopeful with our young team, no doubt, but a strong Detroit just got a whole lot stronger. I feel we need to keep pace at this point. Mats would help this team leaps and bounds and I want that as a fan. I'm not going to kill myself if it doesn't happen but would seriously be more confident in reaching a possible Detroit-Montreal final with him on our side than not. That's all.
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Not to mention Lidstrom on the point and Holmstrom in front of the net. That's a scary PP.
Do you really think he'd leave Colorado?
No ....just asking.
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What's going on with Joe Sakic? Isn't he available?
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We need Mats bigtime now! or our 100th birthday cup is in serious jeopardy.
With Hossa joining the wings that is.
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Anybody think that the floor off the cap is causing these outrageous contracts?
I haven't looked to see if any of the teams responsible for some of the bad contracts were under the floor
I haven't and maybe I should because I just don't get how some of these teams seem to be loaded with multiple 8 million dollar players, while we struggle, yet we have one guy just over five as our highest paid player.I'm so pissed at the Nucks right now. Hopefully Mats realizes how shite they will be and takes less to play with us.
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*coughKovalevcough*
Sure, but I just don't trust the guy. He blew me away last year. The year before he might as well have been benched all season. Which Kovy shows up this year? Plus he is easy to cover. Just hit him and if he doesn't disappear he becomes half the talent he usually can be.
With a guy like Mats you can't stop him even if you throw 5 guys on him. Big difference when you want to *coughcreateroomcough*
Take what I said with a grain of salt. I love Kovy, but Mats is more difficult to handle because he uses his skill and size together, not so much for Kovy, it's pretty much just skill with him.
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I agree 100% which is why I don't want Smoke or Brisebois back or Dandenault and Bouillon for that matter. There are young guys who are either better already or have way more potential.
Agreed, but, I still feel Boullion is an asset. The guy hits and he hits harder than guys twice his size. He was great in last year. There is no denying that. His price tag? arguable, but not a cap killer.
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Latendress will score at least 25 goals next year.
You fishing for bets?
ha ha ha
I agree
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Get rid of Kostopolous
Talk about UFA day insanity, that's right up there.I wouldn't go that far. Inasanity? If you need cap room those are guys you clear first. Not an easy thing but he tops the list. Players like him are a dime a dozen when you need an extra million dollars. Your acting like he's Malkin and only being paid 1.5 million. Plus he doesn't bring all the players potatoes during the season.
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We don't need another sniper - we have plenty (Kovy, A Kost, S Kost, now Tanguay...).
We need a horse who drives to the net, parks there, whacks at loose pucks / rebounds and smashes the f**k out of d-men.
Or a mammoth ctr who does some of the above.
Sign Sundin, tell Latendresse what his job really is, bring in Pax, get rid of Dandy, get rid of Kostopolous. That would be a good start.
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I don't think the Habs can match 10M per
You are probably right. Let's match it anyway and then clean up with trades or waive guys. A lot of teams are in cap trouble so now is the safest time to waive players to make room. I think Gainey could figure it out and not hurt the team's future.
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We WANT a sniper. I don't know if you can argue that the team that finished with the best overall offense in the league last year NEEDS more scoring. Especially when that team has already added Tanguay.
true enough TruthMonger. It's funny, I keep forgetting that. Even though we scored the most goals I feel we still had trouble scoring. Especially during the Philly series when it mattered most. It was our powerplay that inflated those numbers. I would rather end in the top 10 on the powerplay, #1 in goals against and have a solid 5 on 5 goals for stat. I think Mats would help that stat and our goals wouldn't seem so hard to come by, even though we scored a lot last year.
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Who's to say that A. Kosty won't become that sniper?
I'm not saying he won't, but if everyone on the opposing team is covering a guy like Mats who thrives in those situations, would create a lot more room for A.Kosty to become a lethal sniper quicker. That alone would be worth having Sundin around.
So you'd risk losing Higgins and Komi next year?You never can tell what's going to happen next year. Maybe Higgins will blow chunks again next year. We might get knocked out in the first round because Higgins misses a million open nets again and we won't want to sign him. Komi might have a career ending injury. My point was we'll clear the deck and worry about those signings when the time comes.
Next year we might let Tanguay and Kovalev walk, trade Laps and Higgns and bring in Pax and Chips. You don't know what we'll need next year , but this year we need Mats Sundin........... now.
Kapeesh?
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I wouldn'T be surprised to see Ryder get 25, maybe even 30 goals with the Pooh-Bears next year. Claude Julien knows Mike really well (coached him in Hull, Hamilton and Mtl) He will give Ryder every opportunity to look good out there (ie: lots of PP time) But for some reason, i doubt he'll be very productive in his second year!
Don't be surprised if he pots 40-50.
Yes Julien will give him every chance to look good. A fresh start will give Ryder a positive attitude, very important!!!! A powerplay with Savard, Bergeron, a healthy shot from Chara, Lucic clearing the front of the net. Ryder will thrive. That set-up is something we could not give him. He will do well, just like Ribs.
Just wait for that first toe drag as he pops it past O.B and over Price's shoulder. It's going to sting.
NHL UFA/Trades thread - July 1st
in Habs & Hockey Talk
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Yup. We know T.O offered 7 mil, so if Gainey can just beat that with 7.5 or so I think Sundin can be had. Both Vancouver and Toronto are going to stink next year and Mats knows it. Hopefully Gainey holds his ground and we sign him for even less because he simply wants to WIN!!!!!!!