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We need guys who can score. He had 15 last year and has 12 this year. We’ve hit some guys who look like they can be decent playmakers, but only one real sniper in Caufield and hopefully Slafkovsky can be another. If we are going to give up high picks and top prospects it needs to be for finishers.

You know Friedman in one of his broadcasts made a comment that Lamirello tends to hire coaches for their 2nd job, and has had success - we tend to hire too many rookie coaches. I don’t mind the MSL hire - given our current situation, but next time I’d like to hire someone who’s already learned from their mistakes than continue to be a training ground for coaches.

Agreed. It would be a huge regret if Roy outscores him in two years. I certainly wouldn’t want to take that risk.

Oh, ok, gotcha. I’m not sure I’d want to move a first pick and a prospect for a 25 year old who may be nothing more than a Joel Armia type of guy.

Not sure why we are in a hurry to throw around first round picks+ for a guy who MAY score 20 goals this year, but hasn’t scored more than 15 yet. I certainly wouldn’t move one our top forward prospects like Roy or a first round pick for him. Form our D prospects, the only guys I’d be willing to move is Harris.

Do you mean the Sabres? I wouldn’t want to include Roy in the deal. Hasn’t scored 10 goals yet and is from the Andersson draft. I’d rather see if Andersson can play. If it’s just Harris - Sure. If Sabres want more size and grit in addition to Harris, I’d be happy to throw in Josh Anderson😁

Yes., and I’m sure the Flyers regretted that deal. Even on a one for one deal, on way would I move Forsberg for Lindros. Forsberg won everywhere he played. Lindros not so much. Forsberg - 2 Stanley cups, 2 Olympic golds, Calder, Hart trophies, art ross. lindros - Olympic silver (lost to Forsberg), Olympic gold, 2 WJC, Hart trophy

I’d take Forsberg over Lindros every time. If you want to talk about compete factor as a criteria - Lindros may have the size, but doesn’t come close to Forsberg in heart, drive, or skill. Both had their careers cut short by injuries, but Forsberg was not only the more complete player, he was also the more skilled player.

The Flyers traded the smaller Forsberg for the bigger, stronger Lindros. How did that deal work out for them? If we win the lottery, we should be taking the smaller Celebrini.

I’d rather do that as well, but with the top 5 picks, you should be going after a can’t miss top line forward, or top pairing dman.

I hate the draft by need approach. Last year was a forward heavy draft and we passed on Michkov and Leonard. This year if a dman is clearly better than the available forwards, I’d still take the dman.

No question. But the point is he wasn’t just a tough player - he was a highly skilled player, who was a top 5 player in his era, and one of the all time greats. Just a horrible comparison when making a case for Florian.

Messier does not have elite skill??? Did you ever watch him play? Ditto with Perry and Tkachuk. All three have toughness, but all are HIGHLY skilled and ELITE players.

You’re not getting it. It’s not how long it took someone to become a 30 goal scorer in the NHL, it’s how they produced their junior career. Ryder scored 34 (draft year), 44 and 50 goals in juniors. Martin St Louis went through the college route and scored 15, 23, 29, and 24 goals during his college career he also had over 80 points in college. He wasn’t drafted because of his size, but was a very skilled and productive players. ita ridiculous comparing Florian to them, or to a top 5 pick like Makar.

The question is though do they try and go for it if Sergechev is out for the year? Before the injury thought Tampa was a potential landing spot, since they may roll the dice one more time before Stamkos’s deal is up. At the start of the year they didn’t want to commit to him, so next year could have been the start of a rebuild - I think Hedman is also up the following year.

I was thinking the same thing, but do they even have any picks to move. They’re in a tough spot. Stamkos contract is going to be up, do they roll the dice and go all in and move more picks, or decide it’s not worth it with Sergechev out and potentially unavailable for the playoffs?

Chelios was a Norris winner when he was traded. Wifi has done exactly what???? I don’t want to move him either, but comparing the idiotic trade to move Chelios for a pretty much washed up Savard, can never be a comparable for any potential deal for wifi. I think the D right is be most willing to move right now is Harris as part of a package with the Calgary or Jets pick for a stud young forward. And while I would not be liking to even consider moving Guhle for Zegras+. If we were offered Zegras for Wifi, I’d be making that deal before Verbeek went in for a much needed lobotomy. wifi is no Chelios, McDonough, and probably won’t even be a Sergechev. He can probably carve out an Odelin type career. Best case scenario would be a Desjardins light, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

So would you trade Guhle for Zegras? I sure the hell wouldn’t - but that I think we are a good match for Anaheim’s needs. It’s just too early to love Guhle unless you are getting a young forward who go would by far will be be the beat forward we’ve had in 30 years. I’m not trading Guhle for a guy who maybe a slight in kore productive Pactioretty.

I think think we e make some big moves leading up to, or at this year’s draft. What happens at the draft lottery will impact anything we do, but I can’t see us starting next training camp with all our young D. One or more of them will be moved. As BChabnut has said though - we need to get it right. I think all of them will be NHL dmen for a long time - we just need to make sure we hold on to the best ones.

Would I have wanted more - of course. But I’m happy with a got a first now, rather than wait a month and risk an injury. We also didn’t need to retain any money - which would have brought a bigger return. Now we can use the last retention to maximize value for Savard or Allen. I think Savard probably brings the highest return, so I’d use it on him.

I think he’ll probably sign with Ottawa.

I was hoping for more because of the Lindholm trade as well, but don’t forget that Flames took back $5m in salary for a guy who wasn’t being played by Vancouver - regardless of whether or not the Flames actually wanted Kuzmenko. The Canucks had been trying to move him for quite a while.

Given that Kakko is in his 5th post draft year, and what his production is, I don’t think I’d want to move Monohan straight up for him. We should be able to do better than that. He’s getting close to bust territory.

Part of his issue is that we don’t really have another all-round centre, other than Monohan, and Monohan has also been used as a winger. So I get giving Suzuki more ice time. dame thing with Matheson. I have more issues when Savard gets a lot of time, because he is already playing higher up in the lineup, than he is capable of playing. May as well give more time to the kids that are doing better in any given game.

I wonder if there would be any way we could get Perrault and a Kakko/Lafreniere for Monohan, Savard, and Harris. If there isn’t interest in Savard. I wonder if we could still bump up the return is if we took a bad contract like Goodrow back? Or if we packaged Anderson with Monohan, if they’d pay the premium to have Anderson instead of Goodrow. I know Anderson makes more money, but I keep hearing that he is the kind of guy you want for the playoffs. Rangers are built to go for it and their beat writers like Brooks have been saying they need more toughness for that playoffs to avoid more post-season failures. I’m not as high on Kakko as Lafreniere, so who knows, maybe with can snag a young offensive player and an offensive prospect like Perrault if the Rangers are all in for this year??