JacksonJ
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I was tentative at first, but have really come around to this deal. The thing I like about it is that it gives us a clear window about when they will make a cup run. Gomez, Cammi, Gio, Plek are all signed for at least the next four years, and will make up two thirds of our top six. In two years we will have the Hammer, Spacek, Gill contracts all off the books, and they will hopefully be replaced by three of Subban, Weber, Carle, and O'Byrne. At that same time we will hopefully have two of MaxPac, Eller, and Pouliot fill out the other top six spots while the third plays on the third line with two of Pyatt/Laps/Shultz/White/Moen (if resigned). This will also be the time when Carey Price is entering his prime and hopefully fulfilling that massive potential. If we resign Markov and maybe one other high end player I am confident we will be competing, maybe not next year, but two or three years down the road.
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I love Darche's effort and price tag. Good move.
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well its been rumour frolov whats 5mil and marleau is between 6-7 mil.....I dont know if u land much of a winger with the kostys....
I think SKost could be used in a package for Sharp. He played his junior with Kane and the Hawks might like him as a cheep replacement.
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i really think theirs a god chance plexs wont be back so that would make eller our # 2 C but if not he should be in the ahl...
whos going to trade for plexs 5.5 mil deal after he loses his job to eller??????????????????????????
If his deal is more than one year then Edmonton. They have huge problems attracting free agents, and will need someone to pass the puck to Hall and Eberle.
The best situation would be if we signed Marleau. Both he and Eller can play C and wing, so the whoever earns it can play it, plus it would give us a nice safety net in case of a top-2 C going down.
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It was mentioned briefly in the rumour thread but I'll pose the question here for everyone to comment on - is Eller better off as a 3rd liner with the Habs or on the top line with the 'Dogs? (If he can't crack the top-6 with the Habs.)
Personally, I think he may be better suited as the 3rd line C in Montreal. He's lit up the AHL, not a lot left for him to prove there, though as someone who follows the Bulldogs, I wouldn't complain if they got the extra help. Since Eller is supposed to be a two-way C, it may be beneficial to give him some NHL time working on the defensive game, while throwing him some PP shifts here and there so that he still works on that side of his game. It's not a huge risk either as the Habs have a tendency to go best on best with line matchups (though not so often in the postseason) so it's not like he'd be checking the likes of Crosby and Ovechkin nightly.
Your thoughts?
If he doesn't win the 2nd line C job or we bring back Plek don't we still have the option to play him as a second line wing? IF we resign Plek then I would play Eller on a line with him and Cammi and then just trade Plek when Eller is ready to take over at C. I agree that he has already proven himself at the AHL level and needs NHL competition, but he also needs skilled line mates in order to develop properly offensively.
In a perfect world our top two lines would be
FA signing - Gomez -Gionta
Eller - Plek - Cammi
And then when we trade Plek Eller moves into Plek's spot and Pouliot moves into Eller's spot.
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I do not think the Habs will pursue Marleau. Not with that cap hit and with Eller clearly pencilled in as a future #2 C. If we have to replace Pleks it will be with a moderately-priced option who doesn't need to be signed to a really long-term deal. I therefore agree that Jokinen is a very interesting possibility given the history (and success) with Martin, and could conceivably be had more cheaply than Pleks by maybe $1-1.5 mil. (Keep in mind that Plekanec will quite likely bag grossly inflated dollars given his status as Top UFA C Available. Meanwhile, Jokinen's value may be artifically low).
The Habs still desperately need an upgrade on the wings, and it would not surprise me at all if Gauthier decides to let Pleks walk and rolls the dice on a Plan B (Jokinen) or C (Lombardi) at centre while trying to translate the money saved between Halak and Pleks into an upgrade there.
All bets are off, in other words. By moving Halak Gauthier made, to me anyway, a HUGE statement. He's a big picture guy prepared to be ruthless in a cap system, and the players are all moveable parts.
Marleau and Eller can both play wing though.
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He had 50 points this season. Seeing as he's not far removed from a string of really respectable seasons, I think 3 million is the minimum for Jokinen.
At any rate, I'd rather give Plekanec his 5 million.
Meh, they both had pretty much the same effect in the playoffs last year, we might as well go for the cheaper, bigger guy. I appreciate what Plek did for us in the regular season, and defensively in the playoffs but his point totals in the second and third round were really concerning. Marleau is obviously the number one guy on everyone's list, but Jokinen could probably be seen as a sort of Marleau light.
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THIS JUST IN FROM EKLUND:
A goalie may be traded. :lool:
the prophecy has been fulfilled
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Now that the blues have a Halak does anyone else think Chris Mason would be a pretty good option as a backup? Hes in the twilight of his career so no controversy (age 34), yet he still had a .913% and a 2.53 GAA last year. It was good enough to earn him the starting job for Canada at the worlds, so I think he has a little left in the tank.
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Well Chicago will be selling some of their players so i'm sure we could pick someone up there.
Nittymaki wouldn't be a bad back-up if we end up needing him. I'm sure we could get him for cheap.
Free Agent List
http://www.sportscity.com/nhl/2010-nhl-unr...ts-by-position/
Wow I didn't realize Raycroft only made 500 000 last year. That would be great value for a back-up of his caliber.
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Plaks is gone because a few teams will and can offer 5-6 million per season contract. The AK'S are also gone for a good young prospect and high pick in the upcomung draft. Hamrlik will be bought out if he cannot be traded. I cannot see how we can trade Halak however I can see Price going to the west. Why should we not seriously consider trading Markov now that he is damaged goods. Please keep Moore and Pyatt and let PK Subban join our roster. If all of this does transpire then we will have the cap money to bring Marleau on board along with a top 4 defenceman.
Kind of a strange post, you want to trade Markov and bring in a top 4 Dman? I guarantee he won't be better than Markov. Also you said we should trade Markov because he is damaged goods. I'm guessing you don't play the stock market because selling low is a bad idea. Not sure how Marleau replaces Pleks AND the "AK's" (i assume you mean SK and AK).
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Because things are slow over here, I would to enter a comment from another board to get the ball rolling. The gist of the comment was that Philly and Chicago carry no Russian players. One of these teams is going to win, and be the model for franchises going forward. I would like to add that neither one carries a bevy of SMURFS, all on the same team. That should do it.
So... this year...
Remember last year? Who won playoff MVP?
Also how would this alter our team? We have one player from Russia, and I doubt dumping Markov would put us over the top. Maybe tone down on the Don Cherry for a few days. And as far as your smurf comment goes, our "smurfs" were our best players so how would dumping them benefit us.
So your model of our team would be no Markov, Cammi, Gio, Gomez, Pleks. Good call
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Wouldn't have been a trade, he was a pending UFA. Deal is for $1.875 M per year if anyone cares.
I would have signed him at that price in a second.
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Buy out Hammer
Try to resign Pleks, but don't go crazy
Trade halak for top 4 D prospect (if needed throw in Pleks for top D)
Pick up waiver goalie
Move PK up
Get Marleau or Kessler
fill holes with youth (deshardans, pacs and trotts) during season
Get Pouliot a brain, Tell Max every game is playoff game, keep markov healthy, get O'Byrne to Oz for heart and brain, Move spacek to home spot and pray, and remind Carey that he needs to deliver...
It's a little late for Kessler, but otherwise looks decent. You would probably need to bring in one more top six forward.
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I don't remember Svitov from his first stint in the NHL, but he appears to be worth a look. The article says he would be similar to Dustin Byfuglien, and he had 42 points in 51 games in the KHL last year.
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/06/03/source-...l-return/#cntnt
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I agree if you aren't going to resign a player you might as well trade them, but because we are on the bubble every year it is very hard for us to trade our dead weight without it looking like we gave up (ex: Souray). Even though we didn't resign Streit we couldn't trade him that year because it looked like we had a shot to go deep. And of course it would have been a PR sh*t storm if we tried to trade our top scorers in the Centennial season. So it has been a series of strange events that have lead to us getting nothing for some promising prospects.
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I don't know how to answer the first question because it has nothing to do with any of my earlier posts. But to answer your final question, could we afford them under the cap (which we can't), I would love to have Streit, Tanguay, Lang, Perezhogin ...actually most of them could still be useful to us if we were allowed an unlimited payroll.
Again, I understand that the cap forces you to make tough decisions. But have we made any? The Habs have for the most part taken the safest decisions possible and have gone par for the course as a result. At some point you need to invest in your young players. For five years, young players have emerged as core players before being locked up to long-term contracts and the Canadiens have lost many assets as a result.
Like I said, an entire organization full of players and prospects evaporated in just five years. That is most definitely abnormal. Whether you think that's due to overhypage from the fans and media, poor developing and coaching, or bad asset management, or some combination of them all is for you to decide. But don't deny that there is a "situation" on our hands.
Anyway, my point, which you ignored by bolding the first half of the sentence and skipping over the second half is that: "the yearly changes to our core, if not always as thorough as they were last year, are what cause the illusion of the Habs having the most horrible asset management in the history of hockey." Key word: illusion. I explicitly said that I didn't think they should have kept all of those players (though at the time, I think I wanted Streit, Souray, Komisarek, Kovalev and Lang) - but some justification needs to be given for the length of our Assets Lost list.
Thing is it doesn't matter how great your prospects look if they don't pan out. Guys like Higgins put BG in a no-win situation: resign him and have the fans and media complain, or trade/dump him and have the fans media complain. If you don't want to keep a player and you don't want to move him what do you want done?
Of the four players you mentioned only two were prospects, everyone agrees in hindsight we should have signed Streit, and with Perezhogin... well I'm hazy on details with him but it didn't look like BG was in a good situation. When you refer to us losing assets who is that anyway? Most guys were lost for attitude/effort reasons the only one we failed to sign I would want back is Streit.
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How is your leading point getting not a core player? Who also kills penalties...
I didn't say that Montreal should have retained all of these players. Just that they were all either top 6 forwards, top 3 defencemen or starting goalies who left the team for free - and it is an insanely long list. Draw whatever conclusions you like from it.
It makes little difference that some of them played less than a season here. They were assets that we chose to let go of. You can't expect them to retain everyone... but they need to retain some. I wonder what's the percentage of Canadiens who were set to become UFA and re-signed with us (under Gainey) - I'd guess it's somewhere between 10 and 25% which seems extraordinarily low. You could form a serviceable NHL team out of Habs players that we gave away for minimal return since the lockout. Not many other teams, if any, could say the same.
My point was that the yearly transfiguration of our core, if not always as thorough as it was last year, is what causes the illusion of the Habs having the most horrible asset management in the history of hockey.
I do think, though, that that was one of the greatest weaknesses of the Gainey tenure. Rewind to five years ago. Look at that average roster and look at the promising prospect pool we had. Out of those 50+ players what's left just five years later? Markov. Plekanec (for the moment). Halak (for the moment). Andrei Kostitsyn (for the moment).
Obviously, we have new players to replace the old but that's abnormal. It could have been avoided by signing young players instead of letting them take one or two year deals and then hit free agency.
So your point is you think we would be better off with last year's roster again?
Other than at the end of last year we never really a "yearly transfiguration of our core" as you seem to suggest. The only reason we kept everyone last year was we couldn't miss the playoffs in our centennial year, and then we cut the dead weight after our humiliating playoff performance. What would we even have gotten in trading our core? Probably other teams leftovers.
So my question is who do you want back from the old guard?
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This is great news as it guarantees us a spot in next year's Stanley Cup final.
So it will be a Habs vs Caps Stanley Cup final? It will be interesting to see how that comes to fruition.
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Raffi Torres could be high up on PGs list. Especially after his crappy showing with the Sabres, because he might be willing to settle for a lower price.a
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Not sure if this is posted somewhere else, but it looks like bad news.
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So if Edmonton drafts Hall (they would be crazy no to) they will have Hall, Eberle and M-P Svenson (sp?) as their prospects at wing. The Bulin Wall is looking like a really bad signing, and we could probably make them part with one of their wingers for one of our young goalies. One deal I keep running over is Eberle for Halak and Pleks rights. Halak will cost WAY more than Price next year, and Plek just doesn't look like he will work for us. Playing with a rookie wing in the top-6 would save us some money and I can't see Eberle as a downgrade on AK. I really have no clue what Edm would think of this deal.
As far as centre goes I would let Plek walk or hopefully trade his rights. If we can't find a suitable replacement this off-season (Marleau) then I could live with Moore or Koivu as a second line bandaid for while. It makes zero sense to lock up an underachieving Houdini or overpay in a trade. Wait for a team to be cap-strapped (Philly or Chicago) and make an offer.
I think Plek is more than what can be seen on a scoresheet, his defensive play would be greatly missed, sure Marleau has more offensive upside, but he cannot match the two-way playability of Plek.I agree to an extent. It doesn't really matter how great your 2C is defensively if you get shut out 3 times in a series.
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Agreed, but I kind of wish people would consider Gomez's 11 assists when they slag his low goal output. He's been a key cog in getting us this far - which is more than you can say for the other two. I focus on AK because he is a guy whose game is physically capable of overmatching the Flyers. Pleks will always be likely to struggle in this sort of series because he's not the type to overpower hermetic defences. AK has that in him, although he of course is unlikely ever to capitalize on it.
I agree completely that Gomez has been productive, it would just be nice to see him put it in the net once in a while. After all Pleks struggles these last two series I wouldn't be heartbroken if we took a pass on him this off-season and spent the money on a guy like Marleau. AK is all but gone if he doesn't step it up today.
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If one of our 0 for's (AK, Plek, Gomez) end tonight then we win. If not then we may be in tough.
Plekanec re-signs with Habs
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Or if Halak beats Florida 5-4 it's because he is a superstar, but when Price loses 2-1 to Carolina it's because he is a career back-up. I guess it depends on what spin you put on things.