illWill
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Bergevin trying to solve the LD problem by acquiring all of them
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9 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
(And for the record: I'm happy with trading Domi for Anderson, I just think the 3rd is a moderate overpay).
I'll ignore all the other nonsense and agree on this point, as I think Domi for Anderson straight up is an overpay. Great for the team though
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Just now, Habsfan said:
Anyone think that Bergevin made this trade because he had contract talks with Domi and realized they were too far appart to come to an agreement and just decided to trade him for Anderson? IN other words, was willing to get a little less for Domi knowing he wouldn't be able to sign him long term...
Yes of course that was a factor, may have been others as well. No way we can pay a 4th line center (yes i know he isn't) a contract that starts with a 5 or or 6 for multiple years.
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8 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
OK, so let's imagine he had traded Domi plus out 1st overall pick plus every other pick this year, and every other pick next year and the year after, for Anderson.
Since by your logic this "makes the team better" next year, it is a HUGE WIN for Bergevin.🙄
Like I said: asset management matters.
Key words in that rebuttle was "next year". When did I ever say only for next year? Since you clearly agreed it makes our team better, why stop at next year? Why are we trading infinite draft picks in your hypothetical situation to try to prove a point? Asset management does not matter when improving our team when we have an abundance of assets. I can throw out whacky scenarios as well, does it matter to Bill Gates if he spends $100 on a coffee if it helps him secure a million dollar deal that day? Tell me more about asset management
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11 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:
I think the team is better, but that’s NOT the only question. Asset management matters.Can you further explain how a trade that makes the team better is a negative transaction?
Keep in mind I've read here how David Poile is a genius for trading Seth Jones for Ryan Johanssen was brilliant because he traded from a position of strength.
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I swear we could have shipped Domi off for McDavid with Edmonton retaining salary and the same salty people would be complaining that it wasn't enough.
Let's say it was an overpayment, is our team better is the only question that matters.
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Who cares about the 3rd round pick that was thrown in, does that make or break the deal?
This trade was about trading Domi who had no place in the lineup, for a player with a defined place in the lineup. And as far as contracts go, you have to assume both GMs know what it is going to take to resign each, and that Domi's cap hit will be higher.
I am disappointed he wasn't a part of a package for a star player just like everyone else, but before everyone dumps on Bergevin as usual, do you not think he tried?
I do feel bad for Domi, he seemed quite happy to be in Montreal. But that excitement sure did seem to tamper during the playoffs when he was on the 4th line. He was my favorite Hab two years ago and I wish him all the best
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Love the trade based on team and positional needs. Although this might be a situation where you overpay to acquire such a piece
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Tampa is so good that their Captain and second leading scorer only played a few minutes in the whole playoffs and they still won the cup
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46 minutes ago, DON said:
From www.danslescoulisses.com
Josi on Weber:
The Predators defenseman had a few words for Shea Weber after learning he was named the NHL's best defenseman in 2019-20.
"Watching Shea Weber train and play every day helps a lot for a young person's progression. In addition, I had the chance to play alongside him. I've learned a lot. He deserves so much to win a Norris Trophy. Roman Josi (reported by Jonathan Bernier of the Journal de MontréalJosi didn't have to give free love like that to Shea Weber.
Weber left Nashville more than four years ago. He became the captain of the Canadian.
But Josi has not forgotten the five (firsts of his career) seasons he spent in the same locker room as Shea Weber... and by his side on the ice.
That's right, Shea Weber... a guy who brings a lot to games, but also to a locker room and training sessions. Roman Josi was telling us last night that without Shea Weber leading the way and accompanying him, he might never have won the Norris Trophy in 2020.He didn't hand out a special mention to P.K. Subban, who was traded by the Predators last year, in return for not much. Sorry if that last sentence bothered you, but it's the simple truth.It should be noted, however, that Josi had kept good words for Subban after his exchange in New Jersey.You can be sure that in 5, 10 or 15 years, former CH players will continue to tout the impact Shea Weber will have had on their careers. Ben Chiarot, Victor Mete, Alexander Romanov... they will all have been shaped positively as a result of their experience with Shea Weber.
Now we have to do everything we can to win before Weber can't keep up and think about retiring.
No shout out to Subban?
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11 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:
And that is one of the reasons we’ve been the team we have been.
hopefully, Romanov and Caufield will join the club.
It must be a miserable existence to click on a thread that is stating that our potential #1 center of the future made the all rookie team, only to focus on the fact we haven't had a player like that in a while.
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Let's get a little creative, a 3 team deal something like:
To Montreal: Patrik Laine
To Minnesota: Max Domi + xxx
To Winnipeg: Matt Dumba + xxx
JUST FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET LAINE!
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2 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
⭐s to the cup final
This makes me happy as a Gerard Gallant fan and also because I bet the Stars to win the Cup a year ago at 18-1 odds
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48 minutes ago, GHT120 said:
If Mete gets traded he at least will have support ...
Not a huge fan of the him on the ice but sincere congratulations to the man ... nice that he seemed to pull of bit of a surprise proposal ... better that she said yes
If we are judging him based purely on proposals, we need to trade him asap. Obviously he is a good kid though taking the leap at his age and status. Might need some advanced stats on this to understand more. I do know his hair style per 60 is off the charts, but I need more in depth analysis
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I don't know much about Edmundson, but have to assume he is better than Ouellette. If he gets signed why are we complaining again?
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2 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
We also did them a favour on negotiating such a great contract for Aho.
Why is this still a thing? Aho signed the offer sheet, clearly it was beneficial to him to do so. If it was such a dumb offer, he wouldn't have signed it.
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1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said:
Isn’t that the way the world works, in general?Yes exactly, people hire based on the fit for the position needed. If there is a personal connection already established and it is positive, that candidate is already ahead of someone who may have more qualifications on paper.
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I frankly don’t want RNH. Prefer some of the of the oilers prospects over roster players.
i don’t see Hall resigning with Arizona. He’s been saying he wants to play for a contender and Arizona has been regular soap opera, but not even close to contender.
i wouldn’t be surprised by the Avs getting him if they can keep the salary under $8M, or $9M on a shorter deal. But I can’t see Sakic going over that when he will have his RFA’s and UFA’s to deal with in two years. I can’t see Makar signing a bargain contract like McKinnon did. They also need a goalie.
i still see Calgary as the most likely (go home like Tavares), but again they desperately need a goalie and since the playoffs ended every day on the radio it’s been constant need to change core and Monohon/Gaudreau/Giordano need to go talk. Not sure if uncertainty over those the core and lack of that goalie may hurt them in getting Hall.
I even read that with Chiarelli gone, Hall back to Edmonton May be a possibility, but they need to move some bad contracts out first and again, they need a new goalie.
i think you offer Hall $8.5m/years or $10m/2 yrs and see if he bites on the shorter term deal. Heck, I haven’t checked the cap space, but if we have room l, I’d even offer $11m for two years. If we did that, we do need to make some other all-in moves and than move Domi/Tarter to boast the blueline with some young puck movers and go for it.
I think a short term for Hall, buys us time with Caufield. I still don’t see him coming here, but if by some miracle he does, I do think you need to decide to move one of Petry, Gallagher, or Danault, because there is no way we could sign all three next year and make sure we have room for Suzuki and Kk if they have strong years.
even if we did go all-in, I’d prefer getting young players in return for some of our older enigmatic players (inconsistent or do show up in the playoffs) like Domi/Drouin/Tatar that would be exempt from the expansion draft.Can someone translate this for me please
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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:
So if the oilers offered you Draisaitl, Nurse and Neil for Weber and Domi you would say no?? Or the leafs offered Matthews and kerfoot for Weber you would say no? Or the flames offered Gaudreau, Monohan and Ryan for Weber and Byron you would say no?
idiot.
I hope for your mental well being that you don’t think that any of those offers are realistic
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3 hours ago, hab29RETIRED said:
I think we could get a lot for Weber, - particularly from teams that had bad playoffs and are looking to change things up. I don’t think his value be any higher than it is now, especially if we take one bad contract in return (no longer than 2 years). I just don’t see MB moving mountain man.
Just in case anyone missed this, not only did he propose trading our Captain Shea Weber, he also wants to take on a bad contract for two years. At least we can both agree with the last sentence..
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Habs29 and criticizing a Bergevin deal, name a more iconic duo.
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I wonder what it would cost to get a year of Palmieri on RW before he is UFA. Could be a nice stop gap before Caufield is ready
Or I'd love to get Laine somehow, maybe trade Caufield and some defense + picks
What I'm saying is we need help on RW
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1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said:
This just shows we're not a deep team something you need for the playoffs. So I guess the question is are we still in retool? Or has this team shown enough to Bergevin that with added help and depth this team can make a run
You do realize that they literally traded 4 players at the deadline who could have been in the lineup during the playoffs. What kind of depth are you looking for?
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7 minutes ago, Commandant said:9 minutes ago, Commandant said:
Drouin and Suzuki, tied for the team lead in playoff points.
When you say it like that it doesn't seem like the worst trade of all time like I read
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Kaiden Guhle, 15th Overall, LHD
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My only concern is that there are too many LD that not everyone can get in the lineup to increase their value for a trade. That has to be one of the better prospect pools for any particular position in the league, let alone all the veterans that are signed now.