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    Toffoli traded to Calgary

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    1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

     

    Good post. 

     

    The kid is not a blue-chip, sure-fire prospect, and there is disagreement or just plain uncertainty over what his NHL ceiling is. So, those who say we have to wait and see are correct. We won’t know whether the trade has worked out for 3-5 years. (I pay little attention to clips of Heinman or any player, though - that tells us very little).

    Leksand is playing tomorrow and Saturday against two bottomfeeders of the SHL. I hope he gets good icetime. 

    Toffoli traded to Calgary

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    3 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

    Unless Emil Heineman is a good prospect, I really don’t like this deal. Not enough of a return for Taffoli who is on a great contract.


    The only way I think it could be good is Calgary suddenly fell of a cliff, and got a top 10 pick in the draft, moving this pick to next year. If the flames lose Gaudreau, more of a chance to see them drop next year. But I won’t hold my breath waiting for either.
     

    I think just the fact you spelled his name correctly is a good omen.

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    Habs hire Martin St-Louis as their 28th Head Coach

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    1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

    The closest we came the “tankist” scenario was, ironically, **a season in which we made the playoffs as a bubble team,** but climbed up the draft rankings due to the lottery: the 2005 draft when we got Carey Price.

     

    Our highest-impact draft picks since then have been a mid-first-rounder (Pacioretty), a 2nd round Norris Trophy winner (Subban), and a 5th rounder (Gallagher).

     

    It is quite correct to say that in years when we did the equivalent of tanking, we got nothing back for it - and that this lesson has been lost on the tankologists. Indeed, we’ve had three #3 overall picks come through our organization in the past decade: Galy (disaster), Drouin (mediocre), and KK (remains to be seen, but Lars Eller remains his likeliest comparable). Every one of them has disappointed. 

     

    Even the historic 2005 draft, rightly considered a motherlode, offers interesting lessons for Tanquistas. Of the first 10 picks, in this extraordinary year, there were indeed two franchise players: Crosby at #1 and Price at #5. (Worth noting is that when the latter was picked, there were howls of derision from many “experts” and fan commentators, many of whom thought it was obvious we should have picked Gilbert Brule). The #2, Bobby Ryan, was a star forward for four or five years before downshifting into merely being a decent player. Jack Johnson, OK, good player, no great all-star. And the rest of the top 10 are marginal or forgettable players, guys like Brule, Skille, Pouliot, Steoguchi, and Brian Lee.

     

    So even tanking in one of the greatest draft years of all time offered as much chance of bagging a Jack Skille as a franchise-changing player.  

     

    And for every Pittsburgh Penguins - a Cup-winning team built via tanking - there are Oilers and Sabres, i.e., teams whose tank job has failed wretchedly and led to years and years of misery. Then you have teams like Boston, or even Tampa; the latter yes, did draft Hedman and Stamkos after disastrous seasons, but also drafted Vaislevsky (#19), Brayden Point (#79), and franchise player Kucherov (#58!) not to mention trading dud Drouin for a guy who would currently be the best defenceman in our organization. 

     

    Tanking is in no way, shape, or form, a substitute for elite drafting and development. Indeed, if you have the latter, you don’t need to tank.

     

     

    Kopitar was a great pick for the kings. Maybe even better than Price.

    February 10, 2022 7PM. Washington Capitals vs Montreal Canadiens

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    2 hours ago, dlbalr said:

     

    Columbus depends on what happens with Korpisalo.  If they move him, Tarasov becomes the backup and Berube the #3 so they'd want to hold onto him (there are AHL playoffs this year).  Minnesota with Zane McIntyre could be an option - again, they'll want Hammond as injury insurance.

    Tarasov? Didnt we have a goalie prospect named that like 15-20 years ago? 🤪   Sorry for breaking the subject.

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