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I know what your trying to say, but you forget the most important fact..... They didn't have the cap space to keep them !!!!!! All you guys do it bitch about who left for nothing and look at stats with different teams and players and wonder what could have been, all while forgetting the reasons for it. Wake up people. *rant over*

So it would be different for them? All it would be is the same money before moving McCabe

There was more to it then that at the time... don't believe everything you read He will be fine in Montreal, he wouldn't have said so if he was unsure.

Sounds good in theory, but all it takes is one loud, obnoxious GM with a crap load of cap space on a mission (enter Burke) and then your price has risen dramatically. The reason I chose Burke is not only because he has the space, but he also has a young Dman in the same mold who could learn from big Mike all while hurting a division rival. Not saying it will happen but it would be a double edge sword for the Habs

We drafted Crosby's dad .... doesn't that entitle us to his seed as well?

I never listed Weber or Maxwell as core players... I thought it was clearly marked Kronwall was a first round pick not after the first like you suggest.... You continue to talk in circles here. Tell Toronto Grabovski isn't one of their core players, or the Ilses with Streit; Ryder in Beantown or maybe Gainey when he talked about "our core players being mentioned in trades" when he talked about Plex and Higgins in the Lecavalier talks. Maybe you have this idea of "core players" built up to be something special but it isn't the case.... core guys are people you can replace by a call up or minor trades. What gold has Detroit "routinely" found in the last 7 that everyone should model themselves after?

All this crap out now and the playoffs aren't even over yet. It's gonna be a Looooooooooooong ass summer.

You must be an amazing scout shooting down so many players that have played limited or no games in the NHL yet. Others you left out are Lapierre, Latendresse, Weber, Maxwell, Grabovski. You seem to be the only one that thinks some of the habs players you list aren't core guys. Plex, Lapierre, Latendresse, Grabovski, Ryder and Streit are all core guys (a few just not our core guys now). The others you can't judge when they haven't played a game in the NHL yet.

So in other words.... ha ha ha good one Marc, good one!

13 out of 64 drafted made the NHL is the basis of your arguement? Detroit wasn't docked draft picks by being so good, they traded them away. My points is if they are so good at finding "impact guys late in drafts" then why don't you recognize 51 of the names they drafted, and none that are late picks? The fact Montreal wasn't winning cups dictated why they didn't trade thier picks, but if you look at the players listed Montreal has more then held thier own when drafting late with guys like Plex, Halak, Streit (a bit different but hey) among others and may actually be better then the often inflated scouting team in Detroit.

Waste of schooling all the way around. Teach more tech and sciences, and put a subsection in Greek Mythology for the religions of the world.

They would be with 4-5 top 5 draft picks. As one of the teams biggest results critics would you "allow" them to be that bad for that long to get those players? Didn't think so

There are so many factors that you left out in your post that I just don't have the energy to point them out. One of them is the fact that this post exists. People won't leave well enough alone and quit second guessing every little thing in the organization. I doesn't even matter if you knew the secret to a dynasty in 2 trades.... your not telling the GM or ownership here. hindsight is always perfect and the biggest critics never fail to use it when it fits their needs.

In black and white..... from a distance..... with makeup and airbrushing...... and his mouth closed....... no way not even then. Maybe my inner "Mantractive" magnet has better taste (My god did I just say that?) Take into consideration that this is the best he can ever look..... Ricci was a product of his playing style... look at him in his draft year. Much better then. I always Thought Ricci looked like Geddy Lee (sp?)

Ha ha ha. As for Matthias... he never played a single game for the Wings... all the Habs players played at least 1 game for the drafting club and that's why he was excluded.

Speaking of Drafting.... anyone have info on the Draft tickets for this June?

Yup.... he could be Ovechkin

Knuble, Phalsson, and Ohlund would be the key guys from those players listed. I would still rather look at another Dman through trade first

I know what your trying to say but using Lats is a bad example for two major reasons. Lats is a native of Montreal/Quebec and knows that you don't shit where you eat sort of speak. #2 Gui also had a baby last year with his fiance. It doesn't sound like much, but look what it did to Mikey Ribs... he grew up and matured really quickly. That's saying something considering he was a poster child for spoiled punks

LMAO

I voted Hartley because he fits the best after Robinson, Lemaire, and Burns, are not available.

Thanks for the Kudos guys Look at the list... guy don't fall that far through the cracks, they get traded and suceed elsewhere ie.. Streit, Hainsey, Beauchemin etc etc. How many guys do you really recognize in those names?

Your "bottom line" is skewed horribly. This is likely to be long, so bear with me . The draft isn't about "drafting players that can play ASAP" at all.... quite the opposite acually. The draft is about drafting the best player available through thier current progress and an imagined development curve. Sometimes they are ready to play right away but it isn't as common as you suggest (almost 300 players drafted every year and what, 10 played right away last year?) Part of the reasoning for the US/euro player being drafted are the rules regarding thier rights. US collegate and euro players have a much bigger window of signing before thier rights go back into the draft. Not only is this a good idea for development and not rushing players, but it is also a clever move in a cap world. As for the coulda/ woulda/ shoulda scenario that is being discussed, this can be done for every team. Everyone always mentions Detroit when talking about the draft and finding gems in late rounds. Well, I'm going to dispell that myth once and for all. Everyone knows that Datsyuk and Zetterberg were later picks that had a huge impact but that was years ago.... what have they done lately? Well..... since 2000 they have had 3 first round picks. 19th OA in 2005, 27th OA in 2007, and 29th OA in 2000 With those 3 picks they selected Kronwall (2000), Kindl (2005), and most recently Brendan Smith (2007). After those 3 there isn't much to talk about. 2007 Entry 27th Rd.1 Brendan Smith D 2007 Entry 88th Rd.3 Joakim Andersson C 2007 Entry 148th Rd.5 Randy Cameron C 2007 Entry 178th Rd.6 Zack Torquato C 2007 Entry 208th Rd.7 Bryan Rufenach D 2006 Entry 41st Rd.2 Cory Emmerton L 2006 Entry 47th Rd.2 Shawn Matthias C 2006 Entry 62nd Rd.2 Dick Axelsson L 2006 Entry 92nd Rd.3 Daniel Larsson G 2006 Entry 182nd Rd.6 Jan Mursak L 2006 Entry 191st Rd.7 Nick Oslund R 2006 Entry 212nd Rd.7 Logan Pyett D 2005 Entry 19th Rd.1 Jakub Kindl D 2005 Entry 42nd Rd.2 Justin Abdelkader L 4 NHL Games 2005 Entry 80th Rd.3 Christofer Lofberg C 2005 Entry 103rd Rd.4 Mattias Ritola C 2005 Entry 132nd Rd.5 Darren Helm L 23 NHL Games 2005 Entry 137th Rd.5 Johan Ryno L 2005 Entry 151st Rd.5 Jeff May D 2005 Entry 175th Rd.6 Juho Mielonen D 2004 Entry 97th Rd.3 Johan Franzen C 292 NHL Games 2004 Entry 128th Rd.4 Evan McGrath C 2004 Entry 151st Rd.5 Sergei Kolosov D 2004 Entry 162nd Rd.5 Tyler Haskins C 2004 Entry 192nd Rd.6 Anton Axelsson L ) 2004 Entry 226th Rd.7 Steve Covington R 2004 Entry 257th Rd.8 Gennady Stolyarov R 2004 Entry 290th Rd.9 Nils Backstrom D 2003 Entry 64th Rd.2 Jim Howard G 9 NHL Games 2003 Entry 132nd Rd.4 Kyle Quincey D 85 NHL Games 2003 Entry 164th Rd.5 Ryan Oulahen L 2003 Entry 170th Rd.6 Andreas Sundin L 2003 Entry 194th Rd.6 Stefan Blom 2003 Entry 226th Rd.7 Tomas Kollar L 2003 Entry 258th Rd.8 Vladimir Kutny L 2003 Entry 289th Rd.9 Mikael Johansson C 2002 Entry 58th Rd.2 Jiri Hudler C 255 NHL Games 2002 Entry 63rd Rd.2 Tomas Fleischmann R 191 NHL Games 2002 Entry 95th Rd.3 Valtteri Filppula C 235 NHL Games 2002 Entry 131st Rd.4 Johan Berggren D 2002 Entry 166th Rd.5 Logan Koopmans G 2002 Entry 197th Rd.6 Jimmy Cuddihy C 2002 Entry 229th Rd.7 Derek Meech D 77 NHL Games 2002 Entry 260th Rd.8 Pierre-Olivier Beaulieu D 2002 Entry 262nd Rd.9 Christian Soderstrom L 2002 Entry 291st Rd.9 Jonathan Ericsson D 2001 Entry 62nd Rd.2 Igor Grigorenko L 2001 Entry 121st Rd.4 Drew MacIntyre G 2 NHL Games 2001 Entry 129th Rd.4 Miroslav Blatak D 2001 Entry 157th Rd.5 Andreas Jamtin R 2001 Entry 195th Rd.6 Nick Pannoni G 2001 Entry 258th Rd.8 Dmitry Bykov D 71 NHL Games (none since '02) 2001 Entry 288th Rd.9 Francois Senez D 2000 Entry 29th Rd.1 Niklas Kronwall D 260 NHL Games 2000 Entry 38th Rd.2 Tomas Kopecky R 183 NHL Games 2000 Entry 102nd Rd.4 Stefan Liv G 2000 Entry 127th Rd.4 Dmitri Semenov F 2000 Entry 128th Rd.4 Alexander Seluyanov D 2000 Entry 130th Rd.4 Aaron Van Leusen R 2000 Entry 187th Rd.6 Par Backer C Grums 2000 Entry 196th Rd.6 Paul Ballantyne D 2000 Entry 228th Rd.7 Jimmie Svensson L 2000 Entry 251st Rd.8 Todd Jackson L 2000 Entry 260th Rd.8 Evgeni Bumagin Total games played since 2000 by the 13 Red Wing players that made the NHL: 1687 Total games played since 2000 by the 27 Canadien draftees that made the NHL: 3151

He didn't lose the room per se.... he lost key players in the room that influence everybody on the team. Some still like him, while others would have helped him pack.

Agreed. The playoff performance had nothing to do with Price. The team was just bad, if anything Price kept the games close. How many breakaways/2 on 1's did the Bruins have and not score on (the second period of game 4 alone) ?