Canajun Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Good game by the boys tonight... see when you skate and battle for the puck? (1) Plekanec is a fine little player, god love him, but he's just not creative enough for a #2 center (at least at this point in his career). Counter-attacking (not orchestrating) is his thing, and he's good at it. A true creative playmaking center would be just the fit between Latendresse and Kovalev. I'd like to see Grabovsky get another crack at it before we look at rent-a-players (which I'm not fussy for). (2) Carbo still makes some real puzzling decisions. Here we are hurting for offense and he puts that slug Murray in (I had thought I'd seen the last of him), instead of Perezhogin. Perezhogin better be hurt, otherwise, that's not the smartest lineup move I've ever seen. (3) Hustle and work like that exhibited tonight plus a 2-man-in forecheck would turn this team around. Why Carbonneau insists on the useless 1-man forecheck is head-scratching. For all the good 1 man does on a forecheck, we might as well send none in and all 5 be waiting at center ice.... seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 i was surprised about Perez too, he may have been the best forward the last few games. However Murray did exactly what Carbo needed him to do, he hit, forechecked and even drew a penalty. That line did not get scored on either. Of course that honor goes to the first line. Pleks on this team is perfect 4thliner, great speed and Pk, takes advantage of opportunities. With 2 big gritty wingers, then the Habs can role 4 lines. The problem with this team is always hustle and work ethic (no offense doesn't help). When they hustle and play hard they have a chance each night due to goaltending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 I was too surprised about the Murray for Perezhogin roster move but I have to say it was a very good one in hindsight. Plekanec has pretty good vision and can make great passes on odd man rushes. That said you are correct he does rush his decision making sometimes but I still have high hopes for him he is after all in his 2nd season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) Good game by the boys tonight... see when you skate and battle for the puck? (1) Plekanec is a fine little player, god love him, but he's just not creative enough for a #2 center (at least at this point in his career). Counter-attacking (not orchestrating) is his thing, and he's good at it. A true creative playmaking center would be just the fit between Latendresse and Kovalev. I'd like to see Grabovsky get another crack at it before we look at rent-a-players (which I'm not fussy for). (2) Carbo still makes some real puzzling decisions. Here we are hurting for offense and he puts that slug Murray in (I had thought I'd seen the last of him), instead of Perezhogin. Perezhogin better be hurt, otherwise, that's not the smartest lineup move I've ever seen. (3) Hustle and work like that exhibited tonight plus a 2-man-in forecheck would turn this team around. Why Carbonneau insists on the useless 1-man forecheck is head-scratching. For all the good 1 man does on a forecheck, we might as well send none in and all 5 be waiting at center ice.... seriously. They did skate and battle for the puck and they had a ton of reasons not to let go of that one,.....one of those reasons had something to do with the special evening in which legions of Habs fans surrounding them had just revisited the glorious 70's of their franchise's history......and it's fair to say that had the players underformed tonight the way they did lately against TO or OTT this would have simply infuriated the attendance.......so the players wanted to win BUT mostly they didn't wanted to lose.......or worse, play like looser. Fear sometime can go a long way. Bur fear to lose is not a good program on which to built a team.......love of playing is more like it. Why does a team like EDM keeps battling so hard to get the puck.........it's because of their unrestrained love to be on the offensive and their belief in it.........something similar goes for Detroit,....this team strives on puck possession,.they just cannot have enought of the puck.....they believe in it and the scoring chances that it generate. Puck possession, offensive opportunitys......isn't it where the fun is, the creativity, the growth....if the players love the way they play individually and as a group.....they will show up, they will love to compete and they will be disciplined. As Carbo's system and prioritys stiffled the offensive potentiel of our team and the creativity of our players so far ?......what is our team's identity ?.........is it our 5-on-5 ? I heard that instead of practicing this morning they have watched video of themselves........maybe Carbo was pointing them some bad patterns that keeps the players loosing the puck so easilly to the other team......their game was better tonight......we had an offensive edge and the players kept investing more into it.......I think the players had fun tonight......and maybe they are already looking to the next game to built on that fun.....I have a feeling that wins and consistency will come if the thrill is there.......better puck possession control should be the team's priority to get over the snooze fest of their middle season performances.....scoring opportunitys will follow and so will the thrill,.....and in the end the desire to compete. It's the coach responsability to bring the team to the next level. The CH need to increased it's shots on goals at least to match the shots against itself from his adversarys.......that is what it's coming down to..........those figures need to be altered drastically....I dont care how Carbo will do it and which old patterns should be refreshed with better ones, or if Murray will be on the fourth while Perezhogin on the banch or Grabovski in Hamilton....but it need to be done in order for our team to get some respect and to move forward. Edited January 30, 2007 by PB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 Good game by the boys tonight... see when you skate and battle for the puck? (1) Plekanec is a fine little player, god love him, but he's just not creative enough for a #2 center (at least at this point in his career). Counter-attacking (not orchestrating) is his thing, and he's good at it. A true creative playmaking center would be just the fit between Latendresse and Kovalev. I'd like to see Grabovsky get another crack at it before we look at rent-a-players (which I'm not fussy for). (2) Carbo still makes some real puzzling decisions. Here we are hurting for offense and he puts that slug Murray in (I had thought I'd seen the last of him), instead of Perezhogin. Perezhogin better be hurt, otherwise, that's not the smartest lineup move I've ever seen. (3) Hustle and work like that exhibited tonight plus a 2-man-in forecheck would turn this team around. Why Carbonneau insists on the useless 1-man forecheck is head-scratching. For all the good 1 man does on a forecheck, we might as well send none in and all 5 be waiting at center ice.... seriously. You make some excellent points. I too have wondered about our single forecheck/sit back style of play. We are regarded as one of the fastest teams in the NHL and I wonder if Carbo is using it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 (edited) You make some excellent points. I too have wondered about our single forecheck/sit back style of play. We are regarded as one of the fastest teams in the NHL and I wonder if Carbo is using it. Isn't a little odd that we can't quite assess the speed of our own team ? Speed has more power in the newNHL, just like our rising canadian dollard has more buying power in the U.S. today than it had a couple of years ago. Carbo is not exploiting it's new found power,....if he was we wouldn't debate on how fast is our team...we would know it. Is is under-explore and under-exploited,.... just like our forcheking is, as pointed out by CANAJUN. Our D talent and mobility could also generate more offensive stealth by getting in the zone themselves.....they have the ability to do it......the offensive gains would be there. Speed and talent should be exploited better.....all the way to our fourth line.....but it is not and that is why our 5 on 5 has stunk so far. Our last goals when 5 on 5 have been scored by our 4th liners, from Streit against OTT and from Ryder fed by Perezhogin in the late and deciding goal against BUFF. Both goals where the result of speed and talent, both where important goals, yet, as pointed out CANAJUN, Carbo brought back Murray from the attic yesterday while speedy Perezhogin sat. Those seems likes backward moves by the coach and only our great goaltending performances ( Abby's second star last night) have kepted us oblivious to the fact that our team in front of them where under-performing most of the season. We are a faster team than we look like, our pace is slowed down by how Cabo sees the game.....he needs to re-investigate the team's master plan and to promote elements that favorised speed.....we possess a very good overall speed.....but were you to add Garbowski in the line-up....than we would be demons. Edited January 30, 2007 by PB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 PB I like your points about the defense. Last night I noticed how Bouillon and Dandenault carried the puck a lot more often and it caught the Sens of guard. In my opinion they should do more and more of this. For Dandenault and Bouillon their best asset is their speed they should use it all the time and engage in as mush offensive as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 PB I like your points about the defense. Last night I noticed how Bouillon and Dandenault carried the puck a lot more often and it caught the Sens of guard. In my opinion they should do more and more of this. For Dandenault and Bouillon their best asset is their speed they should use it all the time and engage in as mush offensive as possible. Completely agreed. Our D were offensively active last night, and that was one of the big differences vs. the other games recently where we've struggled. Conversely, our offense was willing to go back and help the D when necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justintb Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 You know id really like to see Komisarek pinch sometime....Or maybe even put his big body in front of goalies on the PP..we dont seem to have any players who are willing to pay the price in front of the net...(other then begin, who is injured). Last nights effort was good...I hope to see a lot more of that and hopefully Plekanek can keep up his scoring ways... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 You know id really like to see Komisarek pinch sometime....Or maybe even put his big body in front of goalies on the PP..we dont seem to have any players who are willing to pay the price in front of the net...(other then begin, who is injured). Last nights effort was good...I hope to see a lot more of that and hopefully Plekanek can keep up his scoring ways... I don't know that he's fast enough to get back if he needs too. KRex works for me as a defensive defenseman. Leave the offensive stuff to the specialists (Souray, Markov and occasionally Rivet, Dandy and Bouillon)... Maybe it's just me but I just don't have a good feeling about Komisarek in front of the net... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canajun Posted January 30, 2007 Author Share Posted January 30, 2007 PB - good points there. I think we see eye to eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PB Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 PB I like your points about the defense. Last night I noticed how Bouillon and Dandenault carried the puck a lot more often and it caught the Sens of guard. In my opinion they should do more and more of this. For Dandenault and Bouillon their best asset is their speed they should use it all the time and engage in as mush offensive as possible. I mean as you said about Bouillon and Dandy, they where more engaged in the offensive process last night and it's make a allelluyia of a difference when carrying the puck inside with speed is added to the other existing options.....it really propulse the offensive effectiveness of the team to a different level and stimulate all the players involved......as I said earlier if the potentiel creativity of a team is left un-explored players loose interest and dont fight as well in the end. The Habs uniform color is red.....not beige for god' sake.....I hope last nite was an indication that Carbo will see more red than beige from now on..........Dandenault was actually paired with Markov for a substantiel portion of the game and it did adds up in the end, a there was a little extra pace to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 KRex works for me as... Ahahha Krex, great name, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Plek is going to replace Bonk or johnson next year depending if Either Bonk or Johnson are interested in pay cuts or just sticking to the Habs... if so for now the second line stint is momentary... and yes if Grabovsky or a new 2nd line centerman is adquired then Pleks is a 4th line centre until next year. Perogy is getting his ear yanked again... it worked last time... he came back with hunger ... Carbo is making sure he doesnt adquire the bad habbits of his soviet counterpart... Only ONE old Dog with that bad habbit will he allow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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