ShortHanded Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I'm starting to believe that Gainey is either to making bring in Forsberg or make the rumoured deal with Chicago. Though Gainey's known for his secrecy, he usually seems to make the deal we were all speculating about. Aebischer for Theodore: hottest rumour of all last year and it ended up coming true (just not at the right time). Picking up Niinimaa: that was rumoured all last year, as well. Gunning for Shanahan and Arnott. A lot of people were speculating about Zednik to Washington. Anyways, point is that a few of his recent moves haven't been as sneaky as his reputation would have us believe. using your logic, maybe the chicago one will happen, but how many other teams have speculation about forsberg? we're far from the only ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 using your logic, maybe the chicago one will happen, but how many other teams have speculation about forsberg? we're far from the only ones. He's a band-aid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justintb Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 This so called "Band-Aid" has 37 points in 38 Games played....A better point production per game than everyone on the Canadiens besides Souray...Therefore, I'm willing to take a risk on this so called "band-aid" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSharpMarble Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 This so called "Band-Aid" has 37 points in 38 Games played....A better point production per game than everyone on the Canadiens besides Souray...Therefore, I'm willing to take a risk on this so called "band-aid" Yes we should give up 2 or 3 of our developing players just so we can rent forsberg for 20 games and the playoffs. No thanks, if we trade for someone they should be worth what we give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoRvInA Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I'm starting to believe that Gainey is either to making bring in Forsberg or make the rumoured deal with Chicago. Though Gainey's known for his secrecy, he usually seems to make the deal we were all speculating about. Aebischer for Theodore: hottest rumour of all last year and it ended up coming true (just not at the right time). Picking up Niinimaa: that was rumoured all last year, as well. Gunning for Shanahan and Arnott. A lot of people were speculating about Zednik to Washington. Anyways, point is that a few of his recent moves haven't been as sneaky as his reputation would have us believe. Hell yes we were all chanting YEAH when is theo going to go to Avs? forget his lousy slump or that he falls off stairs ... the Avs want him badly its about to happen any minute now!... as for Niinima there are tons of threads about picking up Niinima too we were surprised it took so long! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 (edited) This so called "Band-Aid" has 37 points in 38 Games played....A better point production per game than everyone on the Canadiens besides Souray...Therefore, I'm willing to take a risk on this so called "band-aid" YEAR TEAM GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG GTG ATOI PROD 1994-1995 QUE 47 15 35 50 17 16 86 17.4 3 12 0 1 3 0 -- -- 1995-1996 COL 82 30 86 116 26 47 217 13.8 7 32 3 4 3 0 -- -- 1996-1997 COL 65 28 58 86 31 73 188 14.9 5 21 4 3 4 0 -- -- 1997-1998 COL 72 25 66 91 6 94 202 12.4 7 30 3 0 7 1 -- -- 1998-1999 COL 78 30 67 97 27 108 217 13.8 9 28 2 4 7 0 -- -- 1999-2000 COL 49 14 37 51 9 52 105 13.3 3 12 0 0 2 0 -- -- 2000-2001 COL 73 27 62 89 23 54 178 15.2 12 24 2 4 5 0 -- -- 2002-2003 COL 75 29 77 106 52 70 166 17.5 8 25 0 0 2 0 19:20 13:40 2003-2004 COL 39 18 37 55 16 30 85 21.2 3 21 1 0 5 0 19:12 13:37 2005-2006 PHI 60 19 56 75 21 46 132 14.4 8 24 1 0 2 0 18:47 15:01 2006-2007 PHI 38 10 27 37 0 70 61 16.4 4 13 0 0 1 0 17:41 18:09 Career -- 678 245 608 853 228 660 1637 15.0 69 242 16 16 41 1 -- -- 10 seasons and 5 of them were half seasons. His numbers are great when he plays, but... He's a band-aid Edited February 9, 2007 by BCHabnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aebischer4life Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 YEAR TEAM GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG GTG ATOI PROD 1994-1995 QUE 47 15 35 50 17 16 86 17.4 3 12 0 1 3 0 -- -- 1995-1996 COL 82 30 86 116 26 47 217 13.8 7 32 3 4 3 0 -- -- 1996-1997 COL 65 28 58 86 31 73 188 14.9 5 21 4 3 4 0 -- -- 1997-1998 COL 72 25 66 91 6 94 202 12.4 7 30 3 0 7 1 -- -- 1998-1999 COL 78 30 67 97 27 108 217 13.8 9 28 2 4 7 0 -- -- 1999-2000 COL 49 14 37 51 9 52 105 13.3 3 12 0 0 2 0 -- -- 2000-2001 COL 73 27 62 89 23 54 178 15.2 12 24 2 4 5 0 -- -- 2002-2003 COL 75 29 77 106 52 70 166 17.5 8 25 0 0 2 0 19:20 13:40 2003-2004 COL 39 18 37 55 16 30 85 21.2 3 21 1 0 5 0 19:12 13:37 2005-2006 PHI 60 19 56 75 21 46 132 14.4 8 24 1 0 2 0 18:47 15:01 2006-2007 PHI 38 10 27 37 0 70 61 16.4 4 13 0 0 1 0 17:41 18:09 Career -- 678 245 608 853 228 660 1637 15.0 69 242 16 16 41 1 -- -- 10 seasons and 5 of them were half seasons. His numbers are great when he plays, but... He's a band-aid 1994-95: 98% 1995-96: 100% 1996-97: 79% 1997-98: 88% 1998-99: 95% 1999-00: 60% 2000-01: 89% 2002-03: 91% 2003-04: 47.5% 2005-06: 73% 2006-07: 67.8 % So... 7 seasons with 90%+ games played.. 2 others with 70%+ games played.. only one season with less then 50%... He's no ironman but he's not what you make him out to be either. Besides... having him in the lineup for 60 games will help us tremendously and much more then our captain playing a full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Yeah, but he's also playing on an ankle which doctors told him to have surgery on. He had the surgery on one ankle, but chose to play through the pain on the other. It's only a matter of time before that ankle gives out and he has to have the surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 So he played 90% of all games? So what? He wont be able to do that anymore. Forsberg will retire at any moment now. It might last 2 years, it might last 2 weeks but he is to much of a risk to lose prospects for. SAY NO TO FORSBERG! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSharpMarble Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 So he played 90% of all games? So what? He wont be able to do that anymore. Forsberg will retire at any moment now. It might last 2 years, it might last 2 weeks but he is to much of a risk to lose prospects for. SAY NO TO FORSBERG! He will instantly go back to the flyers after this season no doubt, I don't know why you guys are even arguing about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAKS-AVENUE Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 He will instantly go back to the flyers after this season no doubt, I don't know why you guys are even arguing about him. Why is he so devoted to the Flyers? Who cares....... Well if not Forsberg...then who do we bring in that will really help this team. Who will come in and potentially score 80 to 100 points. That's the real problem. With who's available it ain;t going to happen. So let's fire Gainey and Carbo and bring in some new blood to rant against. Hands are tied across the board. I wouldn't know what to do If I were them. Everyone on this board is fuming with disappoinment, but I can tell you about two that are fuming more then any of us. My bets are on the Chicago deal, which may end up being big. Killer power-play. Double shot from the point. Put perez koivu kovalev back together and smolinski, higgins, and ryder on the second. Might be kind of fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Not to whip a dead horse or anyhting, but since when is 47 games 98% of a season? Anyway, I like him, but I just think he's hurt too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Petrov Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Not to whip a dead horse or anyhting, but since when is 47 games 98% of a season? When the lockout-shortened season is 48 games long. Honk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 YEAR TEAM GP G A PTS +/- PIM SOG SPCT PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG GTG ATOI PROD 1994-1995 QUE 47 15 35 50 17 16 86 17.4 3 12 0 1 3 0 -- -- 1995-1996 COL 82 30 86 116 26 47 217 13.8 7 32 3 4 3 0 -- -- 1996-1997 COL 65 28 58 86 31 73 188 14.9 5 21 4 3 4 0 -- -- 1997-1998 COL 72 25 66 91 6 94 202 12.4 7 30 3 0 7 1 -- -- 1998-1999 COL 78 30 67 97 27 108 217 13.8 9 28 2 4 7 0 -- -- 1999-2000 COL 49 14 37 51 9 52 105 13.3 3 12 0 0 2 0 -- -- 2000-2001 COL 73 27 62 89 23 54 178 15.2 12 24 2 4 5 0 -- -- 2002-2003 COL 75 29 77 106 52 70 166 17.5 8 25 0 0 2 0 19:20 13:40 2003-2004 COL 39 18 37 55 16 30 85 21.2 3 21 1 0 5 0 19:12 13:37 2005-2006 PHI 60 19 56 75 21 46 132 14.4 8 24 1 0 2 0 18:47 15:01 2006-2007 PHI 38 10 27 37 0 70 61 16.4 4 13 0 0 1 0 17:41 18:09 Career -- 678 245 608 853 228 660 1637 15.0 69 242 16 16 41 1 -- -- 10 seasons and 5 of them were half seasons. His numbers are great when he plays, but... He's a band-aid He needs a band-aid.....actually he NEEDS a whole MASH unit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaos Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 This thread should get tuned up a little bit more tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 PANIC!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm panicking, so my new first line combo will look something like this: Kovalev-Koivu-Youppi. Think about it: big, strong, looks good on skates, immovable in front of the net...probably not much of a backchecker, but with no centre line the new NHL is tailor-made for him...it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortcat1 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) and.... GO :hlogo: GO! Edited February 11, 2007 by shortcat1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 (edited) Edit: No need to have so many pics twice, clogs the page. Edited February 11, 2007 by Fanpuck33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathieu30 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Remember the 2005-06 Oilers? I'm not saying our recent slide is a good thing. There’s no denying that we’re going through some tough times right now but.. please, relax, really, stranger things have happened. Tricolore jusqu'au bout! :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Well, but there are certain things to consider. First of all Montreal is 3 pts from being knocked out of the playoffs, we're at 6th right now and thus playoff runs may be just a little presumputous. So there is a heck of a lot of trouble in Habs Land. Secondly, the Oilers really made a gigantic splash around the trade deadline. Spacek was a really big acquistion and Samsonov did do his part too. They were slumping especially since they had no starting goaltender. After getting Roloson, they began to play well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortcat1 Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 regardless... when's the time to panic? realistically? NEVER! panic inevitably leads to knee jerk decisions and ones that will bite your butt very quickly... GO :hlogo: GO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Not to compound the panic but gosh, I'm getting worried about the longer-term situation. I don't see much progress in our young players except for Latendresse and Plekanec - the latter being a good player but of limited offensive potential IMHO. If we don't develop Higgins, Perezhogin, Kostityn, the still-young-but-regressing Ryder etc., where is our future going to come from?? (Even Samsonov is only 28 or so, when you think about it; and look what we've done for him. For that matter, we gave up on the still-young Ribeiro in exchange for the older and useless Ninimaa). Furthermore, the Stars just bagged the relatively young Nagy for a 1st round pick and some winger (any knowledge about him?) - should we be worried that Gainey was either out of this loop or refused to pull the trigger, while, in the meantime, rumours swirl about broken-down old farts like Forsberg and Tkatchuk? I'm not sure, but I'd like to hear your thoughts. All this to say that I'm not sensing a whole lot of coherent VISION out of the Habs. They don't seem wholly committed to rebuilding with youth and giving their young guys every chance to succeed; they also have not been able to retool with high-profile free agents, but if rumours are to be believed are interested in getting older. I won't fully panic over it unless Bob actually deals young talent for old legs, but the signs are worrisome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Not to compound the panic but gosh, I'm getting worried about the longer-term situation. I don't see much progress in our young players except for Latendresse and Plekanec - the latter being a good player but of limited offensive potential IMHO. If we don't develop Higgins, Perezhogin, Kostityn, the still-young-but-regressing Ryder etc., where is our future going to come from?? (Even Samsonov is only 28 or so, when you think about it; and look what we've done for him. For that matter, we gave up on the still-young Ribeiro in exchange for the older and useless Ninimaa). Furthermore, the Stars just bagged the relatively young Nagy for a 1st round pick and some winger (any knowledge about him?) - should we be worried that Gainey was either out of this loop or refused to pull the trigger, while, in the meantime, rumours swirl about broken-down old farts like Forsberg and Tkatchuk? I'm not sure, but I'd like to hear your thoughts. All this to say that I'm not sensing a whole lot of coherent VISION out of the Habs. They don't seem wholly committed to rebuilding with youth and giving their young guys every chance to succeed; they also have not been able to retool with high-profile free agents, but if rumours are to be believed are interested in getting older. I won't fully panic over it unless Bob actually deals young talent for old legs, but the signs are worrisome. I agree with you on most points CC; between the way the coach is not using or really developing the young talent enough (benching Perogie, sending down Kosty and Grabovski in favour of guys with much lower cieling for potential) and the fact that we haven't pulled the trigger while the available younger guys around the league are being traded to other teams and disappearing fast, I'm getting worried. The two problems are related: maybe Gainey's tried to make trades and our guys suck so badly right now that no trade would be worth making, but if Carbo would let them play to their potential (offensively) instead of handcuffing them in a system that doesn't necessarily work with the players he's got, or just outright benching the guys who've worked the hardest (Sammy, Perogie), how is the team supposed to play motivated hockey and how are the players supposed to have any confidence? Without confidence, we continue to underperform, therefore trade value stays low, and no trade is worth making... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smon Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Yeah, Montreal is in a strange situation. They're pseudo rebuilding/competing at the same time. So it's tough to say whether they need a new core, or whether they need to simply tinker and add some players. I gotta agree with the young guy situation, Montreal really has not had a star player for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 All this to say that I'm not sensing a whole lot of coherent VISION out of the Habs. They don't seem wholly committed to rebuilding *...* I won't fully panic over it unless Bob actually deals young talent for old legs, but the signs are worrisome. We are not wholly committed because we are NOT rebuilding. Not anymore. We're having our coming-out party this year (though the party's been a bit lame these past few weeks). It's the year where we take our mix of vets and young guys and compete. At the second point, we WILL trade youth for a veteran. That's what you have to pay for deadline rentals - picks, prospects, ... To win you need to have a balance of young guys with experienced veterans. Having a team of 20 year old superstars is great but you won't win with that team. You need guys like Dandenault, Kovalev and Koivu around to lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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