JLP Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 lots of radical suggestions here, trade Koivu, get rid of Carbo -- but three wins in a row and all that will be forgotten. Patience is not popular in Montréal, as pointed out we were picked as a team that would be fighting for a playoff spot, and instead we're fighting for home ice that's good. And we are getting better as youngsters improve. It's all a drama, choreographed so we are not going to win the Cup until the 100th birthday season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 lots of radical suggestions here, trade Koivu, get rid of Carbo -- but three wins in a row and all that will be forgotten. Patience is not popular in Montréal, as pointed out we were picked as a team that would be fighting for a playoff spot, and instead we're fighting for home ice that's good. And we are getting better as youngsters improve. It's all a drama, choreographed so we are not going to win the Cup until the 100th birthday season. correction. We're fighting for a playoff spot and home ice advantage. The difference is too miniscule with how tight the race is in the East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beliveau1 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 The reason I trust gainey, apart from his indisputable record as a winner, is that his moves ALWAYS make sense. That's not the same thing as saying they always work out. But take Ribs for Ninimaa. The Habs were in a pinch on the blueline. Ninimaa was a player with a solid pedigree, a record of performance as a near-all-star calibre D-man, who had fallen on hard times. If he could recover some of that form, then the trade would be a steal. And Gainey might have recieved a defencman of comparable quality to Ninimaa back for Ribeiro, but he wasn't going to get anyone else with as high an potential upside as Ninimaa. So, he pulled the trigger. The trade didn't work out. Ninimaa - ill-used by the coaching staff by being played on the wrong side, incidentally - will clearly NOT recover his old form. But given the information he had, it was a well-thought out, calculated risk. (UNLIKE, say, Roy and Keane for Thibault/Kovalenko/Ruscinsky, or Odelein for Richer, or Turgeon/Conroy for Corson/Baron, or Tucker for Poulin, or V. Bure for Zalapsky...shall I go on?) Bob's thought process is always careful, thorough, and sensible. Over time, that approach will lead to more good decisions than bad, which is why Bob ends up a winner. As for overpaying: there's some truth to this. HOWEVER, it is an inescapable fact that if you want to sign UFAs, you will almost certainly 'overpay,' period. (Although it's open to question what 'overpaying' means if you're really just paying 'market rate.') And I don't know how one can say that Souray isn't 'worth' more than $3.5 mil. He's a top-5 offensive defenceman. Many teams will pay at least $5 mil for him. We can arbitraily pull figures out of thin air, of course, and say he's 'worth that.' But you have to work in the context you find yourself in. So maybe Bob shouldn't sign UFAs or keep the ones he already has. But how would we look without Kovalev, Koivu, Souray, Markov, Rivet, etc.? Probably not too good, eh? So the problem of overpaying is systemic, not merely a matter of Bob's delusions. (And nobody anticipated Theodore's total meltdown, so that wasn't 'overpaying,' unless you're a psychic...) Go Bob! :hlogo: absolument raison.... :hlogo: :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Wow.... I'm trying to stay positive in all my threads and postings. But MAN!!!! What the F&*K happend... I just took a Gander at the standings.......Leafs are right up our butts. NOT GOOD!!!!!!! HABS will pick it up....it all starts on SATURDAY 10 in a row!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Please STOP blaming the coaches, this is the same coach who everyone was cheering when they had the top PP and PK in the league. Coaches coach and players play, except the Habs who noramally just skate around and collect a check. when things aren't going well it is the coaches job to make adjustments. They have done diddly squat. The only thing that the habs were doing well was the PP and PK. The oppostion has adjusted. Ever since the habs played NJ, the way NJ keyed in o Souray and shut down the PP has been what every team has done since. In today's over-coached NHL, it is the coaching staff to adjust and make changes when their game plan is not working. Carbo's line combos suck. i also think one of the reasons the habs get dinged for every marginal call is that on every call - even when it is a blatent penalty he is ALWAYS yapping at the refs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSharpMarble Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 If you are panicing then you havn't been watching the habs for very long. They aren't playing any different then they have for the past 10 or so seasons. If there isn't a change at the deadline expect this team to either miss the playoffs or snag 7th or 8th and have an early exit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 If you are panicing then you havn't been watching the habs for very long. They aren't playing any different then they have for the past 10 or so seasons. If there isn't a change at the deadline expect this team to either miss the playoffs or snag 7th or 8th and have an early exit. Your post is well understood.......but our record up untill christmas led a lot of us to beleive this year could be different. Usually the habs showed signs of weakness way before christmas. The January fall this year is more painfull then the last ten years because we were surprised by the outstanding first half. Plus Theo was finally gone. I disagree with one point your making. If you've been following the last ten seasons. Expect to snag 8th spot in late April by winning 10 of the last fifteen games. Pulling a crazy upset in the first round. All of Montreal will start planning a stanley cup parade only to watch them get swept in the second round, to the team that will win the cup. If there is a change this month it better be for a strong center. Koivu will flourish once the pressure is off of him. This Smoloinski bullinski crap won't cut it..... Come on Gainey pull something big out of your A$$!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaze53 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 If you are panicing then you havn't been watching the habs for very long. They aren't playing any different then they have for the past 10 or so seasons. If there isn't a change at the deadline expect this team to either miss the playoffs or snag 7th or 8th and have an early exit. Yeah I agree, the team lacks the chemistry they had earlier in the season so I'm sure Bob Gainey has a couple of tricks up his sleeve in time for the deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bacchus Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 (edited) I'm wondering why this thread exists? Does it make you feel better to complain and offer suggestions on how to fix things when you 1) have no clue what's going on behind the scenes, and 2) have no way of affecting change? It certainly doesn't make me feel better reading all this junk. Support your team, hope for the best, and trust in the experts who have a good track record. It is an excercise in respect. Gainey and Carbo do not deserve to be second guessed by Hickey or Todd ... and much less by you. I assure you they are doing their best. And even if the habs don't win this year, Gainey et al have only been here a short time ... and like Rome, the team won't be built over night. In 2 years time we may have a legitimate shot of winning the cup ... this year we will be lucky to get past the first or second rounds. Edited February 9, 2007 by Bacchus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I, for one, would love the Samsonov and Rivet for Smolinksi trade to happen. Here's why: 1. Rivet cried like a baby when he got benched. He's supposed to be a leader. Leaders don't rant and rave when things don't go their way. 2. Samsonov is a whiner. He gets paid whether he plays or not. If he wants out, then good riddance. 3. Smolinski would be a good addition as a short-term 2nd line center. Plus, he's an Ohio native. 4. Aucoin and Rivet are both not the swiftest of foot, but Aucoin has a booming shot that Rivet does not possess. If we have a poor defensive D-man, we might as well have one who can shoot like Souray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 This is the official Habs Panic Thread ? Good, this is exactly what i was searching for... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 As far as trades and panicing go, i think it's too late to get 1 or 2 people in to save the season. i am willing to give BG the benefit of trying to improve the team through trades, my guess is no partners. It's hard to get a good player without giving up the Habs youth. Garbage gets you garbage. I say fire burning sale. Babchuck wants out of Carolina, trade him for Ryder. Untouchables Higgins Markov Komi Pleks Begin Lapierre I would give Perez a chance to play with offensive players, so i'm not sold on getting rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 As far as trades and panicing go, i think it's too late to get 1 or 2 people in to save the season. i am willing to give BG the benefit of trying to improve the team through trades, my guess is no partners. It's hard to get a good player without giving up the Habs youth. Garbage gets you garbage. I say fire burning sale. Babchuck wants out of Carolina, trade him for Ryder. Untouchables Higgins Markov Komi Pleks Begin Lapierre I would give Perez a chance to play with offensive players, so i'm not sold on getting rid of him. Ummmm... Koivu? Huet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mont Royale Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 To backtrack a bit to the Gainey-overpaying thing. In the NFL, some teams have a cap-specialist on the staff. They are like a financial manager. The Vikings have Rob Brzezinski, whose job - his first duty - is to manage the salary cap and cap room. He negotiates the contracts, bonuses and keeps an eye on the cap. His scouting/talent duties are very limited: they have a GM and a Coach for those. Thus the Vikes always have huge cap space, and can pitch expensive free agents. Their problems were a tight previous owner and, now, a neanderthalic coach. I'm wondering if the Habs have someone like that. Does anyone know? If not, they should. They do - Julien Brisebois. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathieu30 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 (edited) youtube Edited February 9, 2007 by mathieu30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebecois Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 For those who are saying "we were playing above our heads, this is where we should be" I say BS! Going into the season i thought we would finish 5th in the East, with a shot at 4th depending on how Ottawa did with the losses of Chara and Havlat (although he missed most of last season anyways). Reasons for this included solid goaltending (Theodore blew us countless games in the middle portion of last season), development of young guys who had solid rookie campaigns (Higgins, Pleks, Perez, we have seen good and bad from the first 2, mostly bad from the latter), and improvements over the offseason (no more Zednik, Ribs and Bulis, only Johnson has come through the way he should however). So far we have played 3 months of good hockey (maybe minus a week) and a month and a week of bad hockey. Are we really certain that we were playing above our heads for the first stretch considering that was a much greater portion of the season when compared to the last month? I am forever an optimist, but i think a roster move or two, along with the return of Begin will see this team in the 4 or 5 spot at seasons end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 - Souray beating on Colby Armstrong - Streit's time recently at forward - Koivu's play at the start of the year - Komisarek's emergence I actually think Komi is a guy that hasnt been mentioned much in all of this as a cause of our problems....But I think he has been just awful of late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 OMG the sky is falling! run for hills! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSharpMarble Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Your post is well understood.......but our record up untill christmas led a lot of us to beleive this year could be different. Usually the habs showed signs of weakness way before christmas. The January fall this year is more painfull then the last ten years because we were surprised by the outstanding first half. Plus Theo was finally gone. I disagree with one point your making. If you've been following the last ten seasons. Expect to snag 8th spot in late April by winning 10 of the last fifteen games. Pulling a crazy upset in the first round. All of Montreal will start planning a stanley cup parade only to watch them get swept in the second round, to the team that will win the cup. They were showing signs of weakness way before christmas, they almost never won a game by more than a goal, this says to me they are a house of cards ready to fall. Huet was stealing most of the games, now he is burning out and the team isn't compensating. I believe the team has been mismanaged and alot of players who couldn't care less are allowed to get away with that attitude. Alot of the blame lays on Carbo and Gainey for not addressing these problems and I am starting to have serious doubts in Gainey, hopefully he will alleviate some of these doubts with some great deadline moves. Im not gonna hold my breath. And second round exit is still an early exit to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 haha even if we make the playoffs in 7th or 8th well be facing Buffalo who we might be able to miraculously get to game 6 or New Jersey who will basically sweep us. Same story every year. New Jersey is scary but Buffalo isn't. If anything we're probably the team Buffalo fears most. What are you basing that on? I see a team that is falling fast with better teams coming up behind them. If we do make the playoffs it will be barely in the 7th or 8th seed. I was hoping for so much better than that but at this point I would gladly take it. This team is so down right now that a playoff finish seems like a very difficult thing to attain. well, I'll just point out that we are not falling fast, we are falling slowly, very slowly. That's one positive to take from the slump. We're still in pretty good position in the standings even after slumping for the past couple of months. Nah man we will make the playoffs but barely (we always get hot in mid february/march). Then as always we will be embarassed in the 1st round. as always? when was the last time we were embarassed in the first round? a decade ago? more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I'll just add that I'm a bit concerned about trades. Lately, it seems like every time I go to TSN a trade's being reported. Maybe Gainey's trying and their's no partners, or maybe he just prefers to wait until the last second to pull the trigger, but what if all the likely / good trades are gone before the last second??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I'll just add that I'm a bit concerned about trades. Lately, it seems like every time I go to TSN a trade's being reported. Maybe Gainey's trying and their's no partners, or maybe he just prefers to wait until the last second to pull the trigger, but what if all the likely / good trades are gone before the last second??? I'm starting to believe that Gainey is either to making bring in Forsberg or make the rumoured deal with Chicago. Though Gainey's known for his secrecy, he usually seems to make the deal we were all speculating about. Aebischer for Theodore: hottest rumour of all last year and it ended up coming true (just not at the right time). Picking up Niinimaa: that was rumoured all last year, as well. Gunning for Shanahan and Arnott. A lot of people were speculating about Zednik to Washington. Anyways, point is that a few of his recent moves haven't been as sneaky as his reputation would have us believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRock Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 As far as trades and panicing go, i think it's too late to get 1 or 2 people in to save the season. i am willing to give BG the benefit of trying to improve the team through trades, my guess is no partners. It's hard to get a good player without giving up the Habs youth. Garbage gets you garbage. I say fire burning sale. Babchuck wants out of Carolina, trade him for Ryder. Untouchables Higgins Markov Komi Pleks Begin Lapierre I would give Perez a chance to play with offensive players, so i'm not sold on getting rid of him. The way to solve your scoring problems is to acquire another defenseman? Is Babchuk gonna center the second line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 The way to solve your scoring problems is to acquire another defenseman? Is Babchuk gonna center the second line? wtf about Babchuck ! Screw this man !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Someone needs to replace Rivet, Souray, Bouillon or whoever else on the D get moved. i wasn't saying he would score. I want to give players and Perez and other youngsters a chance to step up and see if they can score. We all know how many the vets score. Not much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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