MAK Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I know I won't make any friends but think about it. from now on, montreal has 25 games to play. out of those 25, 8 are before the trade deadline: -florida-new jersey-carolina-columbus-washington-nashville-islanders and torontha. WHAT IF we lose 6 out of 8 games, it would put us in the last spot for playoff or even worse: 9th or 10th place. what should we do ?? 1-trading for a rent-a-player thinking foolishly that these underacheivers will bring us back the cup?? there'S still a chance of that, yeah, like 0.1%. 2-not do anything thing thinking foolishly that these underacheivers will bring us back the cup?? there'S still a chance of that, even without a stud ?? don't think so. as well losing key players UFA for nothing. 3- trading one or two core players to teams that think they'll be able to make it. if phoenix got a 1st rounder for nagy, I think we could get more for souray. if we can get something decent for rivet, aebischer bonk , jonhson, niinima. go ahead, it's not like they all are going to be back next year. it would allow us to call kids from hamilton and give them some NHL experience for next year and it would also put us in a better position come draft day. for once that we all trust timmins and his gang, lets give him some picks and restock our prospect pool. for those of you who will give me the look-at-edmonton-last-year arguement: they haven't won and look at where they are now. It's only my gutt feeling but I really don't think that we have the right tools nor the right attitude to make it this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It's only my gutt feeling but I really don't think that we have the right tools nor the right attitude to make it this year. It's my gut feeling that you sound like a leafs fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canajun Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 ohh don't be so harsh DirtyHarry... I actually tend to agree with Marky. I don't think this is our year - not just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 It's my gut feeling that you sound like a leafs fan not really, if I was I would be saying: give all your prospects and draft choice, you won't win the cup anyways and you will suck for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebecois Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 for those of you who will give me the look-at-edmonton-last-year arguement: they haven't won and look at where they are now. You make some decent points, but this isnt one of them. Edmonton came within ONE GAME of hoisting the cup. You telling me you wouldnt take that? i mean game 7 of the Cup finals anything can happen. Not to mention that they would be in far better shape if not for some unforseen circumstances (Pronger leaving crippled that defense) I wasn't fully aware of the schedule until you just posted it. I think we win 6 of those 8 games with losses against Nashville and NJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAKS-AVENUE Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 You make some decent points, but this isnt one of them. Edmonton came within ONE GAME of hoisting the cup. You telling me you wouldnt take that? i mean game 7 of the Cup finals anything can happen. Not to mention that they would be in far better shape if not for some unforseen circumstances (Pronger leaving crippled that defense) I wasn't fully aware of the schedule until you just posted it. I think we win 6 of those 8 games with losses against Nashville and NJ. I'll be at the nashville game so the habs will win that one. No giving up on them. They can be a good team, they've proven that....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 ohh don't be so harsh DirtyHarry... I actually tend to agree with Marky. I don't think this is our year - not just yet. I agree its not our year unless Huet can pull his game together and stand on his head for 28 games starting mid-april, but the habs dont need to do a fire-sale as Marky suggests. They are pulling out of their dark period and on the upswing with a young and talented core. We dont need to sacrifice our best now for some extra draft picks who may or may not make an impact in another 4-5 years. Who are we going to lose to UFA besides some losers we dont want anyways? We can afford Souray and Markov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Who are we going to lose to UFA besides some losers we dont want anyways? We can afford Souray and Markov. Bonk, Johnson, Rivet (to some), Aebischer... Niinimaa is the only real "loser we don't want." I guess Downey too. We won't be able to afford Souray though. Those 2 d-men together'll be $11+ million. With the raises Higgins, Perezhogin and Plekanec'll be getting, we won't have the caproom to pay Souray his $6.5 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I have a strong feeling that the Habs Mgm't plan is to be equipped to make a serious run in the 100th anniversary year (2009). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I have a strong feeling that the Habs Mgm't plan is to be equipped to make a serious run in the 100th anniversary year (2009). Exactly. The team is exactly where most people thought it would be... in the middle of the pack and a (further) slump away from fighting for their playoff lives. C'mon M & K et al if I told you in August that the Habs would be 6th you would have been overjoyed. Souray might have to be moved--I dont think he will be-- but a firesale is out of the question. The team is building slowly towards the goal of being a contender every year, but we're not quite there yet. :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Petrov Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Exactly. The team is exactly where most people thought it would be... in the middle of the pack and a (further) slump away from fighting for their playoff lives. I'd just like us to all accept that the Habs are already fighting for their playoff lives. They've got a 3 point edge on oblivion - that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 If a firesale means that we won't have to go through this crap next year then I'm all for it. Tired of these slumps, hell 25 games isn't a slump it's a life style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted February 13, 2007 Author Share Posted February 13, 2007 Exactly. The team is exactly where most people thought it would be... in the middle of the pack and a (further) slump away from fighting for their playoff lives. C'mon M & K et al if I told you in August that the Habs would be 6th you would have been overjoyed. Souray might have to be moved--I dont think he will be-- but a firesale is out of the question. The team is building slowly towards the goal of being a contender every year, but we're not quite there yet. :hlogo: true but they're not going up, they're going down in a nose dive and the players don't seem to care that much. y the way, the team isn't building too much, we may lose up to 7 or 8 players for nothing. please, stop dreaming about souray staying, it won't happen. I'd rather spend 4-5 M for a legit center( briere maybe) then to keep a power play specialist, abiet a great one, but so bad defensively. the fire sale I meant was with the UFAs. so losing them for nothing at the end or getting something in return right away , which one is better ?? I have a strong feeling that the Habs Mgm't plan is to be equipped to make a serious run in the 100th anniversary year (2009). so if we can get another prospect or 1st round pick this year, the player could be in the lineup by 2009 or be used as a bait to place ourselves for a stanley cup parade. Bonk, Johnson, Rivet (to some), Aebischer... Niinimaa is the only real "loser we don't want." I guess Downey too. We won't be able to afford Souray though. Those 2 d-men together'll be $11+ million. With the raises Higgins, Perezhogin and Plekanec'll be getting, we won't have the caproom to pay Souray his $6.5 million. BTH, I don't see perezhogin getting a raise and higgins, unless he starts to produce, won't have much dealing power. plekanec will get a raise but he'll still be cheaper then a bonk on the 3rd line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Easy Ryder Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Let's not view a trade like a firesale. It's not like any player on that team was irreplacable.?? AND the market is good for sellers right now. Bob will unload rent players IF he get young players that can play this year and for years to come. What misses in this team is short term youngters. Short term like right now. A scoring winger that shoots from right. A center shooting right or left with a good offensive upside. A young defenseman ready for NHL duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I'd just like us to all accept that the Habs are already fighting for their playoff lives. They've got a 3 point edge on oblivion - that's it. Exactly... If we're in 7th at the end of the season, after the last game's been played, then we can say "Yay, we're in the playoffs..." but right now, with this many games left to play and three points away from golf in april, don't kid yourselves, 7th place is not comfortable... true but they're not going up, they're going down in a nose dive and the players don't seem to care that much. y the way, the team isn't building too much, we may lose up to 7 or 8 players for nothing. please, stop dreaming about souray staying, it won't happen. I'd rather spend 4-5 M for a legit center( briere maybe) then to keep a power play specialist, abiet a great one, but so bad defensively. the fire sale I meant was with the UFAs. so losing them for nothing at the end or getting something in return right away , which one is better ?? so if we can get another prospect or 1st round pick this year, the player could be in the lineup by 2009 or be used as a bait to place ourselves for a stanley cup parade. BTH, I don't see perezhogin getting a raise and higgins, unless he starts to produce, won't have much dealing power. plekanec will get a raise but he'll still be cheaper then a bonk on the 3rd line. yeah... at the beginning of the year, I would have allotted at least 1.5 million for Higgins' raise, but now there seems to be no point. He'll probably make about 1 million next year... not much of a raise afterall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBHabs_fan Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I know I won't make any friends but think about it. from now on, montreal has 25 games to play. out of those 25, 8 are before the trade deadline: -florida-new jersey-carolina-columbus-washington-nashville-islanders and torontha. WHAT IF we lose 6 out of 8 games, it would put us in the last spot for playoff or even worse: 9th or 10th place. what should we do ?? 1-trading for a rent-a-player thinking foolishly that these underacheivers will bring us back the cup?? there'S still a chance of that, yeah, like 0.1%. 2-not do anything thing thinking foolishly that these underacheivers will bring us back the cup?? there'S still a chance of that, even without a stud ?? don't think so. as well losing key players UFA for nothing. 3- trading one or two core players to teams that think they'll be able to make it. if phoenix got a 1st rounder for nagy, I think we could get more for souray. if we can get something decent for rivet, aebischer bonk , jonhson, niinima. go ahead, it's not like they all are going to be back next year. it would allow us to call kids from hamilton and give them some NHL experience for next year and it would also put us in a better position come draft day. for once that we all trust timmins and his gang, lets give him some picks and restock our prospect pool. for those of you who will give me the look-at-edmonton-last-year arguement: they haven't won and look at where they are now. It's only my gutt feeling but I really don't think that we have the right tools nor the right attitude to make it this year. IF we lose 6 of 8, I will be so fed up and hopeless that I will tend to agree with you. However, if we stay in it by the deadline, especially in light of how close 4 through 8 is in the east, I would tend to keep our core and even make some offensive additions. What comprises a contender? Is it a team that is first place in the standings? Obviously not. The last 2 years have shown us that team great goaltending, work ethic, and special teams can bring anybody to the final. I know we havent had this lately but a couple of key additions and a jumpstart could do wonders. I just remember back to december (pre-slump) when the attitude on this board was that this team was a contender. The only thing that has changed is attitude and confidence. If we can get this back (along with a goal scorer) and get the goalies hot again....who knows. Again, Marki, if we lose 6 of 8...I'll be agreeing with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 If they are out of the playoffs at the deadline, then I would prefer they sell all the free agents for draft picks or prospects. Its not like they can't sign them in the summer if they want them back. If they get a good prospect and a few top picks for Souray, Rivet, etc. then they have a chance to turn this team around in a year or so. I don't think they are going to dump any signed vets however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullsmith Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 (edited) We need a stud. We don't need one before the trade deadline, as I really see this as a young team getting better but not quite all there yet. But if we want to hoist Lord Stanley's cup, or at least contend year after year, we really need a stud on this team. Souray's a stud on the Power Play, and great in the room, but he's not a real franchise player. Koivu's heart and soul and a wonderful hockey player but at his best he was never a Forsberg. Course neither is Forsberg anymore. Kostitsyn, Grabovsky, Chipchura, Halak etc. etc. are in the system, Perezhogin, Pleks, Ryder are all young and cheap. We have a lot of sweeteners to try and get a franchise player (i.e. Olli in Fla, Rick Nash in Columbus) without gutting our entire team. I wouldn't be surprised if Bob goes after a major acquisistion in the off season. In fact, unless we suddenly go on some fantastic team-building tear into the playoffs, I'll be surprised if he doesn't. Edited February 13, 2007 by Bullsmith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneSharpMarble Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Things wont get better for a long time in a fire sale, and this team isn't bad enough to even contemplate something so outlandish. We have a solid foundation of talented youth, with more coming, what we need is a franchise player and a great couple leaders and we are ready to contend. So what if this year isn't our year, are you guys so desperate you would throw all the rebuilding away just for an outside shot? If we were dead last I might say ok its time to start from scratch but not now. Put on your big boy pants and act like habs fans, quit your whinging this team has been fighting for 8th for a long time this is nothing new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 I'd just like us to all accept that the Habs are already fighting for their playoff lives. They've got a 3 point edge on oblivion - that's it. What I meant was that they are not yet in a position where they must win everynight or drop irrevocably out of contention for a spot.... they are not far from that point but I think that tonight's very special game will be a turning point...very special because it is one of the rare Habs games that is broadcast live on TV in the UAE and I am going to watch it so they had better WIN ! :hlogo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 Things wont get better for a long time in a fire sale, and this team isn't bad enough to even contemplate something so outlandish. We have a solid foundation of talented youth, with more coming, what we need is a franchise player and a great couple leaders and we are ready to contend. So what if this year isn't our year, are you guys so desperate you would throw all the rebuilding away just for an outside shot? If we were dead last I might say ok its time to start from scratch but not now. Put on your big boy pants and act like habs fans, quit your whinging this team has been fighting for 8th for a long time this is nothing new. A fire sale means nothing negative long term. If you are only selling players who are UFA at the end of the year, you have lost nothing other then giving up on "THIS YEAR". Look at the Pens. They rented out Recchi last year, then resigned him in the summer. If the habs are out of the playoffs and "rent" Souray and a few others in trade for a young player and a few picks, they can come out ahead. Those picks and players could also be used later in a big trade for a stud. Assets are assets. We are not talking about trading away signed guys for a bunch of long term picks here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShortHanded Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 A fire sale means nothing negative long term. If you are only selling players who are UFA at the end of the year, you have lost nothing other then giving up on "THIS YEAR". Look at the Pens. They rented out Recchi last year, then resigned him in the summer. If the habs are out of the playoffs and "rent" Souray and a few others in trade for a young player and a few picks, they can come out ahead. Those picks and players could also be used later in a big trade for a stud. Assets are assets. We are not talking about trading away signed guys for a bunch of long term picks here. agreed. but only IF we're out of a spot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 It's time to raise shields. Arm phasers and photons, not decommission the ship... ...yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your players will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 13, 2007 Share Posted February 13, 2007 agreed. but only IF we're out of a spot... Absolutely. My hope is that this team turns it around and is a buyer at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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