Pierre the Great Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 But when the guy starts shooting people, you wouldn't just sit there and wait your turn. go to cnn.com a student took a cell phone video and you can hear the gun fire. My guess is this: The guy got everyone to line up. And then when it became obvious that he was going to 'execute' them the students ran at him and with his semi automatic 9mms he fired back at all of them. Think of normandy invasion. If all the students rushed the gunman he could just quickly shoot him. And if you watch the video the gun shots start of slowly and then its bang bang bang bang bang bang really fast. correct..... cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 go to cnn.com a student took a cell phone video and you can hear the gun fire. My guess is this: The guy got everyone to line up. And then when it became obvious that he was going to 'execute' them the students ran at him and with his semi automatic 9mms he fired back at all of them. Think of normandy invasion. If all the students rushed the gunman he could just quickly shoot him. And if you watch the video the gun shots start of slowly and then its bang bang bang bang bang bang really fast. Geez, 32 people are dead and you guys are already arguing about semantics. Haven't you any respect for the dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Geez, 32 people are dead and you guys are already arguing about semantics. Haven't you any respect for the dead? :?- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 Geez, 32 people are dead and you guys are already arguing about semantics. Haven't you any respect for the dead? uhh do you watch the american media? CNN had a counter on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer counting the gun shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 uhh do you watch the american media? CNN had a counter on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer counting the gun shots. No, I don't watch the American media. But is it honestly necessary for you guys to debate whether or not the people who were shot could have "rushed" the gunman? I've seen you two argue before and I'm just concerned that it could quickly spiral out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) uhh do you watch the american media? CNN had a counter on the Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer counting the gun shots. yeah it's true the video took with the cell phone is shocking. By the way, you can now edit the subtitle of this topic... a very sad day. Edited April 16, 2007 by JoeLassister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 But is it honestly necessary for you guys to debate whether or not the people who were shot could have "rushed" the gunman? I've seen you two argue before and I'm just concerned that it could quickly spiral out of control. This has nothing to do with arguing with each other. I'm just trying to figure out how this thing happened. I honestly cannot fathom how a single gunman would be able to kill an entire classroom of people. From what I've read, there was one shooting in his dorm, and the rest were in the classroom, which means to me that he killed 30 people in one room. Based on the video PTG mentioned, it sounds like 5 shots before the rapid fire begins. I just can't figure out how one person held off 25 people, even if they were unarmed. I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I also can't fathom how the campus was not put on lockdown after the initial shooting, especially since there was another, unrelated shooting on the other side of campus. As soon as the shooting was reported, every building, classroom, and dorm should have immediately been locked down. Just terrible that campus security was so poor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 I never understand this horse shit. Hope the best for the injured that they all make recoverys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beliveau1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) This has nothing to do with arguing with each other. I'm just trying to figure out how this thing happened. I honestly cannot fathom how a single gunman would be able to kill an entire classroom of people. From what I've read, there was one shooting in his dorm, and the rest were in the classroom, which means to me that he killed 30 people in one room. Based on the video PTG mentioned, it sounds like 5 shots before the rapid fire begins. I just can't figure out how one person held off 25 people, even if they were unarmed. I'm just trying to figure out what happened. I also can't fathom how the campus was not put on lockdown after the initial shooting, especially since there was another, unrelated shooting on the other side of campus. As soon as the shooting was reported, every building, classroom, and dorm should have immediately been locked down. Just terrible that campus security was so poor. One news source says that the campus had been put under lockdown after the first incident, but had lifted it? If that is true then a truly horrible decision with tragic repercussions was made..... CBC News p.s. I can understand the fact that people will wonder just how this can happen , and how it could have unfolded. There will be a lot of questions asked - and rightly so! This is a tragedy in all senses of the word, and emotions are genuine & raw from all posting here. Each is entitled to a rational discussion of this depraved act of inhumanity.... As a group of fans with a common interest this is of higher focus than any game the Habs, or any other organization could have ever played on this dark & dreary day. I urge all of us here as a band of brothers(and sisters), let us have the utmost of respect for those who have suffered so greatly on this sad occasion..... Edited April 16, 2007 by beliveau1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 from what I heard the first shooting was this: gunman talking to girlfriend, they start fighting, the da of the dorms (you know they guy who runs the dorms an older student) approached the gunman. He then shot the da, and the girlfriend and went to class, chained the doors to the room. Then lined everyone up and started shooting the classmates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 One news source says that the campus had been put under lockdown after the first incident, but had lifted it? If that is true then a truly horrible decision with tragic repercussions was made..... Good grief, people should be prosecuted if that is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beliveau1 Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 (edited) Good grief, people should be prosecuted if that is true. If true, then yes - but that is far from the first concern at this moment...... That time will come, for now it is a time of shock and for true compassion. (one of the great problems is the fact that a lot of what is being circulated is currently rumours - nothing has been substantiated at this point.) Edited April 16, 2007 by beliveau1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 16, 2007 Author Share Posted April 16, 2007 well I'm more worried about the ethnicity of the shooter. They've said 'asian' that's a pretty blanket term. Last thing this terrorist phobic scared country needs is have the biggest shooting in US history done by a middle eastern student. Then you'll start hearing the 'T' word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Gunman may have been in U.S. on visa Chicago Sun-Times Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus’ security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said. -------------------------------------------- T-word, is going to pop up if this is true. It makes sense. The people in the classes said he must of had military training because he was quick to reload and flawless. http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/343354...h041607.article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark_faerie87 Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Gunman may have been in U.S. on visa Chicago Sun-Times Authorities were investigating whether the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus in the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history was a Chinese man who arrived in the United States last year on a student visa. The 24-year-old man arrived in San Francisco on United Airlines on Aug. 7 on a visa issued in Shanghai, the source said. Investigators have not linked him to any terrorist groups, the source said. Police believe three bomb threats on the campus last week may have been attempts by the man to test the campus' security response, the source said. The exits to the buildings where the shootings occurred were chained by the shooter, the source said. -------------------------------------------- T-word, is going to pop up if this is true. It makes sense. The people in the classes said he must of had military training because he was quick to reload and flawless. http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/343354...h041607.article What's with the censoring of terrorist? Last time I checked it wasn't a naughty word nor offensive to anyone. As for the military training, what's the status on conscription in China? It could just be that he went through basic training and then decided to pursue his education in America. I do agree that he wasn't just some random guy who picked up a gun, because there's no one someone could mow down an entire classroom with only two 9mm. The clip is something like 11 or 13 bullets I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 I'm calling it the 't-word' because I guess you don't understand what it's like to live where I live but people are freaked out of their minds. Its the 50's, 60's, 70's all over again with schools having nuclear fall out shelters. ATF says the shooter was not a student at VT. Has a home or is living somewhere near. What's with the censoring of terrorist? Last time I checked it wasn't a naughty word nor offensive to anyone. As for the military training, what's the status on conscription in China? It could just be that he went through basic training and then decided to pursue his education in America. I do agree that he wasn't just some random guy who picked up a gun, because there's no one someone could mow down an entire classroom with only two 9mm. The clip is something like 11 or 13 bullets I believe. Bush allowed the semi automatic weapons ban to expire. Making bigger clips that were illegal, legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Military service is mandatory for Chinese males once they turn 18. Because I remember Yao Ming had to do some military service before he got drafted by the Houston Rockets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 I only just heard about this, holy shit. I hate this kind of crap, I always go into a depressing mood. My thoughts and prayers are with the friends and families of the victims for sure. Just horrendous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yeah I'm glad I don't have to go into the city to get my college transcripts because I'm afraid I'd get shot. (It's happened before, and a girl got raped in the restroom) In fact for a while I'll feel like this, because guns are everywhere, here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsniper Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the coming weeks when the pictures of the dead will be everywhere. I know it's understandable but it only makes me feel worse. I probably sound selfish now though which makes me feel bad too. Haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted April 17, 2007 Author Share Posted April 17, 2007 Yeah they already released one of the first names. The Dorm Assistant. There's a rumour that one of the people dead is a football player so that means ESPN will cover it, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLP Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 shooter was South Korean not Chinese, an English major at the school http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/stor...6564540,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonus Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) There's a rumour that one of the people dead is a football player so that means ESPN will cover it, now. geez, you are a contrarian. ESPN was on this story immediately - everbody was. They did kinda look at the sports angle insofar as they got some quotes from the football coach, but ESPN is not as viciously opportunistic as you make them out to be. Critique people when they do wrong, but at least let them do wrong first. BTW - would you like ESPN not to report that a VA Tech football player was killed? Edited April 17, 2007 by simonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 (edited) Welcome to the brave new world. When I was an adolesent I was very sad and withdrawn at times. Who wasn't? It's a difficult time even for ther best of us. My minor in university is Soc. I'm going to use this as a point of reference. I wouldn't wish teen years on anyone, even my worst enemy. Statisically speaking, the 2 demographics that have the highest frequency of suicide are teens and the elderly. I won't explain why because it's obvious why these 2 groups are highest. Taking teens and tweens into account and adding a little, "Grand Theft Auto" or whatever negative influence it is probably has some impact on why this is happening. Twenty years ago when a t(w)een commited suicide, they did it alone. Today it seems that these troubled kids want to take their tormentors (in their own thinking) with them for the ride. I'm sure there are other causes but this is a troubling stat and in some cases this may be the reason. Hopefully we can work on educating our youth and maybe the stop bullying programs can be given more teeth... ...I dunno. Sad stuff . Edited April 17, 2007 by ATHLÉTIQUE.CANADIEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mont Royale Posted April 17, 2007 Share Posted April 17, 2007 AC, the guy was 23. I don't think typical adolescent angst/confusion applies in this case - this is mental illness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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