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He's just another jerk, look what he tried to pull with Shane Doan.

Shut up, if you were at the head of an anglo party in a 90% french country and a frenchy would has been suspected to say "######ing english" to a lineman, and then named captain of a supposed 2 languages country, you would do the same.

back to the topic, Duceppe is not anymore involved to be leader of PQ. It's all about Pauline Marois now. Great madame, really great. One of the most down to Earth and fair person of the province. Say what you want, PQ has a really better chance to come back strong with this lady than Duceppe.

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Shut up, if you were at the head of an anglo party in a 90% french country and a frenchy would has been suspected to say "######ing english" to a lineman, and then named captain of a supposed 2 languages country, you would do the same.

The key word in that sentence is suspected.

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Shut up, if you were at the head of an anglo party in a 90% french country and a frenchy would has been suspected to say "######ing english" to a lineman, and then named captain of a supposed 2 languages country, you would do the same.

back to the topic, Duceppe is not anymore involved to be leader of PQ. It's all about Pauline Marois now. Great madame, really great. One of the most down to Earth and fair person of the province. Say what you want, PQ has a really better chance to come back strong with this lady than Duceppe.

Expect to see the PQ drop the referendum talk if they want to survive at all. Nobody wants referendum politics anymore especially when Quebec is in such dire straits.

If they were smart they'd go the SNP of Scotland route, independence as the goal but not in the immediate future. But I don't know if the pequistes can take that. They want referendum now, even though Quebec is a shell of its former self and the rest of the general public seems to realize this.

So if the PQ party was smart they'd put the referendum on the back burner for the next 30 years and work on more powers from Ottawa aka 'autonomous" like a Scotland, Barcelona, Sicily, etc.

But the old 'elephants' don't want that, they're still living in the 60's. The 60's was almost 50 years ago, time to grow up.

I highly doubt the PQ will take my advice, which means the party will further slide into oblivion and create a giant hole in the political spectrum.

If the PQ party doesn't change its ways it will die off and another party with goals of bringing Quebec back from the dead with a left of centre view point, but no referendum talk will emerge.

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Expect to see the PQ drop the referendum talk if they want to survive at all. Nobody wants referendum politics anymore especially when Quebec is in such dire straits.

If they were smart they'd go the SNP of Scotland route, independence as the goal but not in the immediate future. But I don't know if the pequistes can take that. They want referendum now, even though Quebec is a shell of its former self and the rest of the general public seems to realize this.

So if the PQ party was smart they'd put the referendum on the back burner for the next 30 years and work on more powers from Ottawa aka 'autonomous" like a Scotland, Barcelona, Sicily, etc.

But the old 'elephants' don't want that, they're still living in the 60's. The 60's was almost 50 years ago, time to grow up.

I highly doubt the PQ will take my advice, which means the party will further slide into oblivion and create a giant hole in the political spectrum.

If the PQ party doesn't change its ways it will die off and another party with goals of bringing Quebec back from the dead with a left of centre view point, but no referendum talk will emerge.

Pauline Marois said it clear : if you accept me as the leader of PQ, you have to forget about a referendum for our first mandate and go for a "modernisation" of the programm.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20070514...5/5050/CPPRESSE

The key word in that sentence is suspected.

Gotta ask the lineman then. I think he swears that it's true, he was about a foot from Doan.

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The PQ are a bunch of whiney cry babies who scream "gimme, gimme, gimme" and when they get it they want more. Always have been, always will be.

I was actually hoping that Duceppe would leave the Bloc and hopefully that would solidfy some more federal Conservative votes in Quebec...maybe enough to give the PC's a majority???

Oh well, now we have to live with sensationalized politics from Duceppe talking about a hockey team captain. Seriously, it has no place in the House of Commons. They should be discussing more important things...like our broken health care system, our broken military, our insane gas prices, foreign investment in Canada, the environment, etc...instead we get: "Doan shouldn't be captain of Canada". It's just another incremental step the separatists are going to try to use to alienate English and French Canadians...perhaps everyone should realise that it is in the best interest of the PQ and Bloc to keep playing the English and French against each other, boil up stupid things like this, and try to pit everyone against each other so they can grab some more power for THEMSELVES...they could care less about French or English.

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The PQ are a bunch of whiney cry babies who scream "gimme, gimme, gimme" and when they get it they want more. Always have been, always will be.

I was actually hoping that Duceppe would leave the Bloc and hopefully that would solidfy some more federal Conservative votes in Quebec...maybe enough to give the PC's a majority???

Oh well, now we have to live with sensationalized politics from Duceppe talking about a hockey team captain. Seriously, it has no place in the House of Commons. They should be discussing more important things...like our broken health care system, our broken military, our insane gas prices, foreign investment in Canada, the environment, etc...instead we get: "Doan shouldn't be captain of Canada". It's just another incremental step the separatists are going to try to use to alienate English and French Canadians...perhaps everyone should realise that it is in the best interest of the PQ and Bloc to keep playing the English and French against each other, boil up stupid things like this, and try to pit everyone against each other so they can grab some more power for THEMSELVES...they could care less about French or English.

I find the English vs. French spats hysterical. Its almost to the point that Ontario and Quebec think they're the only provinces in Canada.

Last time I checked more people live in Alberta and BC then Quebec. lol

Harper won't get a majority. Its basically all down hill for him now. His appeasement for votes because he craves that precious majority is going to come back and bite him.

I read the article in the Presse, still not enough. The hard liners will go to the QS because they still live in la-la land.

Referendum's have been tried and tried. I don't even think my generation wants a referendum style politics to return.

When I look at the leaders of the PQ and the people who usually support it, they're all in their 50's or 60's. Again they're from another era.

Quebec isn't the economic powerhouse that those 50 and 60 year olds remember it as. Quebec doesn't have a Euro currency to go to like a Scotland does.

Quebec is not sustainable.

If PQ ever wants to be revelant again, they've got to ditch referendums for another generation. I'm talking 20 to 30 years. Because I'm sorry but the whole sovereignty debate is based on narrow minded philosophy that the rest of the world is against us and we must rebel. That's simply not the case.

The rabbit is out of the bag on the sovereignty issue. Everyone knows no that an independent Quebec would be a disaster.

Its goofy logic. PQ wants to make a fully independent Quebec when the province can't function without help from Ottawa.

You leave, Ottawa won't be there to save you.

Most sane logical people see this problem.

Problem is the PQ is stuck in the 60's.

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Harper won't get a majority.

I was going to call you out on this in an earlier thread but I didn't. Anyway, it's highly likely you are correct since they are bungling around in the dark but just as the Liberal's got free majority's due to the Reform/PC splitting of the vote, so too may the Conservatives now. The left had better get its thinking cap on to strategically vote like Elizabeth May has suggested.

The only problem with the Dion/May alliance is that voters are stupid. To tell left wing voters in riding A to vote NDP and voters in riding B to vote Green...etc is wishful thinking. It's also doomed to fail since the left wing party's have no TRUE SUBSTANTIAL plan to ensure these votes work properly. I would suggest a unified website telling every voter how to vote to defeat Harper.

Problem is, the NDP are not going to play ball. The BQ are going to run in every Quebec riding that's for sure. So, then you have the Greens and the Liberal's cooperating. Well, average lunchbox Joe knows nothing of this and is going to need instructions to tie his shoes nevermind votring appropriately.

Also, Martin and Chretien seized their majority's via small c voters in Ontraio. Bay Street is by and large happy or indifferent to the government. If they are impressed at election time they just might do for Harper what they did for Chretien.

Factors are:

1 Does ADQ vote eventually = Conservative?

2 Do the small C voters in GTA accept Harpers plan?

3 Here is the clincher. Does person A and B vote NDP, person C and D vote Liberal, person E and F vote Green and person G and F vote Conservative? - C's win riding as result of vote split.

Anyway Pierre, in spite of all your knowledge which is extensive and I find impressive I still have to call you out on your "crystal ball gazing" here. Elections are wierd things that can change on a dime. You just never know. Hence why the Conservatives still have life.

Having said that I should add that GTA is where Harper's majority will be attained. I highly doubt they can capture (especially downtown) GTA since this is where they are vulnerable.

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Well Harper has a window and its closing fast. Unless something major happens but remember Harper is in government and rightly or wrongly they get blamed for everything.

If I were the Liberals I'd attack Harper on what he exactly stands for.

During his premiership we've seen two Harpers. The reformist one in the beginning and then the capital "L" Liberal in Tory clothes.

The longer his minority government goes on, the less likely he'll be even in government next time around.

Because the BQ isn't going to fold the government anytime soon, so its more or less like a slow death.

I don't think they're will be vote splitting on the left.

The Liberals will win back the seats in Quebec they lost because of Liberal fatigue and protest. Liberals will also take back seats in Ontario that they never should have lost but lost anyway do to protest.

When you look at the polls the NDP has stayed realtively the same %'s. Therefore all the talk of NDPers going Green is moot point. Considering the Greens are Centrist-Right more then anything. Ms. May going after the last leader of the PC Party proves it. Plus the union between the Liberals and the Greens also proves it. Because everyone knows NDPers hate being labeled as 'liberals'.

So the Greens are more of a threat to the Conservative party.

We're looking at a Liberal-Green Coalition minority government. A first for Canada but its the future of politics.

That's what I see coming.

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For example the last decima poll which was taken before the worst couple of weeks in Harper's government so far had and the Duceppe fiasco:

31% Liberals

30% Tories

15% NDP

13% Green

9% BQ (34% in Quebec)

Ontario:

38% Liberals

33% Tories

17% NDP

11% Green

Quebec:

34% BQ

21% Liberals

18% Tories

13% Green

11% NDP

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So the Greens are more of a threat to the Conservative party.

We're looking at a Liberal-Green Coalition minority government. A first for Canada but its the future of politics.

That's what I see coming.

Anything is possible, but I don't see it happening. Until I see the Greens translate percentages into seats, I'm skeptical of their chances. All of the mainstream parties are tripping over themselves to come up with 'green' platforms, and at election time, voters will wonder why they should vote for a party which is seen as representing only that issue, when they can vote for a mainstream party and cover that base along with many others.

I also think the Greens are capable of causing some vote-splitting on the left. It has less to do with their actual (centrist) policies than the profile of voter they attract. IMO, the Greens are like a protest vote against the status quo, and will attract young, less well-off voters who would otherwise likely support the NDP, or perhaps Liberals. The Conservatives are most immune to losing votes to Green, because their supporters are generally more affluent, have more stake in the status quo, and have a broader range of concerns (or if you prefer, a more self-interested range of concerns!) than just the environment. Like taxes, health care, foreign policy (war), etc.

The challenge for the Greens to get significant seats is to get their message out that they are not just a protest party, and have a plan for something other than the environment. But the odds are stacked against them, due to campaign finance rules (based on last elections' results, I believe) and strong-arming by the mainstream parties (possibly excluding them from debates, etc.)

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We see political party leaders switch sides, parties, levels all the time... but this must have been the quickest official two step in all of Canadian political history.

There goes.. Duceppe.

Wait a minute..

Here comes.. Duceppe.

I'm not sure if I'd give him credit for seeing that he had no chance in winning the leadership. I would have been happy if he returned defeated but having given it a good try.

At the end of the day his mission and cause was what suffered. and Canada our Nation saw his true colours.

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May will be in the debates.

If you look at the polls NDP vote has pretty much stayed where it is. Liberals have gone up while the BQ and Tories have gone down. That's where the Greens are getting there numbers from.

The more exposure the Greens get the more they will become a threat to the Tories out west.

Like I said earlier. This union of Liberals-Greens is no accident. Liberals are non-existent west of thunder bay.

From the Manitoba-Ontario Border to Vancouver Island its either two parties to vote for NDP or Tories.

NDP will still take Vancouver Island and Vancouver area. While the Greens will fair better in traditional Tory ridings in the interior.

I've got to believe Dion knows this, and why he did this union. Greens and Liberals have more in common the NDP.

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The PQ are a bunch of whiney cry babies who scream "gimme, gimme, gimme" and when they get it they want more. Always have been, always will be.

I was actually hoping that Duceppe would leave the Bloc and hopefully that would solidfy some more federal Conservative votes in Quebec...maybe enough to give the PC's a majority???

well, if PC get the majority, get ready for a quick referendum here in Québec. Trust me population voted PC because of "Scandal des commandites", tired of corruption with PLC. But we wont stand war, religion, well all the social opinions of PC for long...

We see political party leaders switch sides, parties, levels all the time... but this must have been the quickest official two step in all of Canadian political history.

There goes.. Duceppe.

Wait a minute..

Here comes.. Duceppe.

I'm not sure if I'd give him credit for seeing that he had no chance in winning the leadership. I would have been happy if he returned defeated but having given it a good try.

At the end of the day his mission and cause was what suffered. and Canada our Nation saw his true colours.

for my part, i'm verry happy that he leaned back. With Pauline Marois as the leader, it might be possible that a lot of ladies will vote PQ at the next election, bye bye stupid dreamers ADQ "We will save 2 G dollars - How ? we don't know yet"

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...contacts in Ottawa.

You're a member of a party? I'm not. I would but the C's have not evolved enough yet for me to feel comfortable joining. Like I said before they won their minority; the C's will probably take 5 to 10 years to get a moderate perspective.

Here's one for you PTG you'll find interesting. I was the 1997 and 1998 N.S. Youth Progressive Conservative Policy Director. I guess you could say I've held an office - sort of.

Hopefully, what happened to me doesn't happen to you. I was idealistic until it seemed apparent to me that the only way to manouver in politics is to become a snake in the grass backstabber. I realized my ideals would be eroded if I kept it up. Shame really.

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lol no I was reading a political insider taking questions on Globe and Mail. She said that.

You were huh? Interesting. Too bad the Conservative Party now is nothing like the PC party a few years ago. Bummer for Canada's right of centre folks.

I'm not in any party but I'd be a moderate NDPer mostly or the Liberal left. But I'm afraid if I was in the youth ndp folks I'd be with goofy leftists, which is fine, but activism can only get you so far, you need to be taken seriously in politics.

There's 3 fields of thought within socialist like parties. Third Way, Social Democracy, Democratic Socialist. I'm a mix of all 3, but mainly social democratic. But I don't mind business although I'm more of a fan of 'green' environmental capitalism.

I don't like big business especially big business from other countries.

Big fan of small business.

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