Official Jersey Unveiling Thread

[zumpano21]

I have to disagree....The vertical stripes on the new unis are going to look good because they'll acheive the slim, form-fitting look the league is looking for. And with respect to the Panthers, there's only so much you can do with that logo. They've done well with it.

[Athlétique.Canadien]

The reason I don't like Orca is commercialism. I hate the "Bell Center" and the "Air Canada Center" and what was suppose to be the "Continental Airlines Arena" and "Scotia Bank Place" etc.

I prefer the "Montreal Forum" or "Maple Leaf Gardens" instead. No offence CS but not "GM Place" or whatever is it now.

C'mon Vancouver staff. The "Vancouver" city name print is cool but now I want some 3rd jesrey alternatives. I'd like them to go in a new direction on this next year. No more products please. This is

I prefer the original "V" over the Orca. I like the native influence but surely designers could incorporate a native design but make it look meaner. Very meaner. Like this -

Edited August 30, 2007 by Athlétique.Canadien

[BTH]

I like Florida's! It doesn't look professional but it still looks nice to me.

[RobRock]

Unfortunately, the best hockey logo in the city if Vancouver belongs to the WHL Giants.

[Trizzak]

I'm so on the left.

To the left, to the left.

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dude...

did you just quote a Beyonce song?

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

The Canucks jeresy is appalling. The main problem is the ridiculous Orca logo - stupid-looking on its own terms, but made truly grotesque by the corporate connection, the equivalent of the Habs putting a beer bottle on their chests when they were owned by Molson's, and then rendered absolutely ludicrous by being pasted upon what is actually a fairly decent, old school background design. Had they opted for the old hockey stick logo, it wouldn't have been bad at all. But you can't have a crass turn-of-the-millenium, Bettman-era design like the flat-toothed Orca Bay Holding Company Logo stapled to a 'vintage' backdrop like the rest of the jersey. The result is the aesthetic equivalent of a Frankenstein's Monster.

Only Canucks fans could possibly stomach that abomination - you're talking about a population a significant portion of which stuck up for that drooling man-ape Bertuzzi after he pointlessly broke a man's neck and ruined his career. However, in defence of Vancouver fans, most of them seem to be as nauseated as I am. That's what you get for cheering for an expansion franchise

Edited August 31, 2007 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber

[jetsniper]

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dude...

did you just quote a Beyonce song?

Is that what it's from?

I should stop quoting that then.

[Trizzak]

Is that what it's from?

I should stop quoting that then.

Yeah man, sheesh.

That shit is bananas....B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

[zumpano21]

you're talking about a population a significant portion of which stuck up for that drooling man-ape Bertuzzi after he pointlessly broke a man's neck and ruined his career.

To be honest, Steve Moore milked that situation for all it was worth. The fracture of his neck was insignificant to his ability to play hockey. He's not playing these days because he was a marginal player at best to begin with - although his lawyer and press releases would say otherwise. Not to defend Bertuzzi, I don't like him and I don't approve of what he did. I'm just reiterating that the situation is not as black and white as some would have you believe.

P.S. 4 more days!

Edited August 31, 2007 by zumpano21

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

To be honest, Steve Moore milked that situation for all it was worth. The fracture of his neck was insignificant to his ability to play hockey. He's not playing these days because he was a marginal player at best to begin with - although his lawyer and press releases would say otherwise. Not to defend Bertuzzi, I don't like him and I don't approve of what he did. I'm just reiterating that the situation is not as black and white as some would have you believe.

P.S. 4 more days!

I'm not sure about your claim, but be that as it may, in the wake of that inexcusable incident I heard WAAAAY too many Canucks fans defending Bertuzzi, claiming that Moore was 'faking' or that he 'deserved' it, etc., etc.. What a bunch of knuckle-dragging losers. They deserve to have the most grotesque uniform in Canadian hockey.

[jetsniper]

To be honest, Steve Moore milked that situation for all it was worth. The fracture of his neck was insignificant to his ability to play hockey. He's not playing these days because he was a marginal player at best to begin with - although his lawyer and press releases would say otherwise. Not to defend Bertuzzi, I don't like him and I don't approve of what he did. I'm just reiterating that the situation is not as black and white as some would have you believe.

P.S. 4 more days!

Of course he milked it, he's also still suffering from severe effects of PCS. He had his life's dream stolen from him by an oversized ape because Naslund was stupid enough to duck under a hit. Also, on a team that had Forsberg, Tanguay, Hejduk, Selanne and Kariya, would a marginal player be on the second line with some guy named Joe Sakic? Steve Moore had a great future in the NHL whether anyone wants to believe it or not. He'd shown a ton of promise up to that moment and was one of the more pleasent surprises for us Avs fans that year. He's not playing anymore because no one wants to associate themselves with the hooplah that would surround, that fact is evident in the way the Avs organization has treated him on his road to recovery. The man graduated from Harvard, he has plenty of career options. The fact is he had a childhood dream stolen and he wants his due. Not to mention the fact he has to sit around and watch his brothers live the same dream while he can't.

[Mr. Nasty]

not an offical release but here are the Flyer's new jersey as spotted on the season ticket packages.

[Fanpuck33]

To be honest, Steve Moore milked that situation for all it was worth. The fracture of his neck was insignificant to his ability to play hockey. He's not playing these days because he was a marginal player at best to begin with - although his lawyer and press releases would say otherwise. Not to defend Bertuzzi, I don't like him and I don't approve of what he did. I'm just reiterating that the situation is not as black and white as some would have you believe.

That hit ended his career, plain and simple. When you have injuries as severe as his, the probability of re-injury is immense, and would have even more dire effects than the original. If he were to lace up the skates again, he would literally be placing his life in jeopardy. Not to mention the persistent post concussion syndrome he experiences to this day. He still says he'd like to lace up again one day, but you can bet that it would be against doctor's orders, and I doubt any team would want to risk putting him on the ice.

[Captain_Stealth]

I'm not sure about your claim, but be that as it may, in the wake of that inexcusable incident I heard WAAAAY too many Canucks fans defending Bertuzzi, claiming that Moore was 'faking' or that he 'deserved' it, etc., etc.. What a bunch of knuckle-dragging losers. They deserve to have the most grotesque uniform in Canadian hockey.

I'm not going to say anything. Very classy on your part.......

[Captain_Stealth]

Of course he milked it, he's also still suffering from severe effects of PCS. He had his life's dream stolen from him by an oversized ape because Naslund was stupid enough to duck under a hit. Also, on a team that had Forsberg, Tanguay, Hejduk, Selanne and Kariya, would a marginal player be on the second line with some guy named Joe Sakic? Steve Moore had a great future in the NHL whether anyone wants to believe it or not. He'd shown a ton of promise up to that moment and was one of the more pleasent surprises for us Avs fans that year. He's not playing anymore because no one wants to associate themselves with the hooplah that would surround, that fact is evident in the way the Avs organization has treated him on his road to recovery. The man graduated from Harvard, he has plenty of career options. The fact is he had a childhood dream stolen and he wants his due. Not to mention the fact he has to sit around and watch his brothers live the same dream while he can't.

Naslund ducked? Watch the footage again and you'll see him leaning in to poke the puck away and Moore just hits him shoulder to head. That's all I'm arguing here as the restI agree on.

[zumpano21]

That hit ended his career, plain and simple. When you have injuries as severe as his, the probability of re-injury is immense, and would have even more dire effects than the original. If he were to lace up the skates again, he would literally be placing his life in jeopardy. Not to mention the persistent post concussion syndrome he experiences to this day. He still says he'd like to lace up again one day, but you can bet that it would be against doctor's orders, and I doubt any team would want to risk putting him on the ice.

Feel free to explain his fracture to me. In fact, feel free to explain vertebral body fractures to the forum.

[jetsniper]

Naslund ducked? Watch the footage again and you'll see him leaning in to poke the puck away and Moore just hits him shoulder to head. That's all I'm arguing here as the restI agree on.

Well whatever. The fact is he put himself in a vulnerable position AFTER the hit was initiated, there was no fault of Moore's for Naslund's injury. It was his own stupid fault and Moore didn't deserve the hit squad after him.

Not to mention he fought Cooke anyway during the game, someone his own freaking size.

[zumpano21]

Well whatever. The fact is he put himself in a vulnerable position AFTER the hit was initiated, there was no fault of Moore's for Naslund's injury. It was his own stupid fault and Moore didn't deserve the hit squad after him.

Not to mention he fought Cooke anyway during the game, someone his own freaking size.

I have to agree. It was a dumb play by Naslund to poke the puck ahead when someone is obviously lining him up.

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

I'm not going to say anything. Very classy on your part.......

You misunderstand me. Not ALL Canucks fans - only the far-too-significant minority who defended Bertuzzi and would probably still love the guy if he hadn't stunk out the joint upon his return. THOSE are the knuckle-dragging losers who deserve that ridiculous uniform. No doubt there are many classy Canucks fans who are just unfortunate to have a good team (or at least, a great goalie) with a Frankenstein's Monster of a hockey jersey.

Now then. The original hit was one of those 'grey area' incidents. You never like to see anyone hit in the head. But it was actually Naslund who created that hit by in effect leaning into Moore's shoulder - a serious blunder on his part. The most you can say is that Moore didn't try to get out of the way but rather leaned into the hit, a hit which would have seemed perfectly legitimate if Naslund hadn't inexplicably decided to bend over. Ideally, Moore would have been a gentleman upon seeing Naslund's vulnerable position and veered off (although that might have led to a knee-on-knee collision; there's only so much you can do in the NHL at top speed). See both incidents here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOAxYWeQWxE

I think a great deal of the outrage *really* lay with the idea that then-superstar Naslund should not be lined up for potentially devastating hits in the first place ('he hit naslund! how dare he!'). This is a questionable premise, especially from a team with a classless troglodyte like Bertuzzi.

Consider that the Habs and their fans have had to endure deliberate injuries inflicted upon their hottest PLAYOFF performers (e.g., the deliberate slash that broke league-leading playoff scorer Stephane Richer's wrist in 1988 and in effect meant the end of our chances; the clotheslining of red-hot Richard Zednik by Kyle Maclaren in 2002 [?]) - and somehow managed to avoid massacring anybody or breaking their necks. The contrast shows poorly on Vancouver, frankly. The hypocritical high dudgeon and bloodthirsty revenge-seeking of some Canucks fans over the original, regular-season Moore hit was over-the-top to begin with. (It may also have contributed to a climate in which Bertuzzi felt justified in viciously cheap-shotting Moore - and it's something to think about, whether that knuckle-dragging segment of Canucks fans, as well as the crowd-baiting elements of the media, bear some indirect responsibility here). Nothing Moore did IN ANY WAY justified the bloody-minded pre-game hysteria, or the crime of viciously having his career destroyed. Period.

Edited September 2, 2007 by The Chicoutimi Cucumber

[Captain_Stealth]

You misunderstand me. Not ALL Canucks fans - only the far-too-significant minority who defended Bertuzzi and would probably still love the guy if he hadn't stunk out the joint upon his return. THOSE are the knuckle-dragging losers who deserve that ridiculous uniform. No doubt there are many classy Canucks fans who are just unfortunate to have a good team (or at least, a great goalie) with a Frankenstein's Monster of a hockey jersey.

Now then. The original hit was one of those 'grey area' incidents. You never like to see anyone hit in the head. But it was actually Naslund who created that hit by in effect leaning into Moore's shoulder - a serious blunder on his part. The most you can say is that Moore didn't try to get out of the way but rather leaned into the hit, a hit which would have seemed perfectly legitimate if Naslund hadn't inexplicably decided to bend over. Ideally, Moore would have been a gentleman upon seeing Naslund's vulnerable position and veered off (although that might have led to a knee-on-knee collision; there's only so much you can do in the NHL at top speed). See both incidents here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOAxYWeQWxE

I think a great deal of the outrage *really* lay with the idea that then-superstar Naslund should not be lined up for potentially devastating hits in the first place ('he hit naslund! how dare he!'). This is a questionable premise, especially from a team with a classless troglodyte like Bertuzzi.

Consider that the Habs and their fans have had to endure deliberate injuries inflicted upon their hottest PLAYOFF performers (e.g., the deliberate slash that broke league-leading playoff scorer Stephane Richer's wrist in 1988 and in effect meant the end of our chances; the clotheslining of red-hot Richard Zednik by Kyle Maclaren in 2002 [?]) - and somehow managed to avoid massacring anybody or breaking their necks. The contrast shows poorly on Vancouver, frankly. The hypocritical high dudgeon and bloodthirsty revenge-seeking of some Canucks fans over the original, regular-season Moore hit was over-the-top to begin with. (It may also have contributed to a climate in which Bertuzzi felt justified in viciously cheap-shotting Moore - and it's something to think about, whether that knuckle-dragging segment of Canucks fans, as well as the crowd-baiting elements of the media, bear some indirect responsibility here). Nothing Moore did IN ANY WAY justified the bloody-minded pre-game hysteria, or the crime of viciously having his career destroyed. Period.

Alright I'll take back what I said.

However it wasn't probably that the climate that justified Bertuzzi into doing what he did. We were down 9-2 against one of our arch rivals in our own building. Bertuzzi was having a pretty hard time that season with producing like the year before, added with the fact Naslund was one of his best friends and he wanted to get back at Moore. The game was going pretty badly for his team and he just lost it and lashed out. I'm not defending Bertuzzi at all and I'm totally against what he did 100%. However it could be all those emotions going through his head where he lost his common sense and totally overdid it. This has nothing to do with the fans of Vancouver at all. Like a player of Naslund's calibre who was the face of this franchise getting hit like that..... to a guy like Moore? Of course there's going to be some anger and revenge seeking. However it was the way Bertuzzi delt with the matter and why he's looked upon so badly. It's not fair to blame us for it saying we deserved to have nasty uniforms. They actually don't look too shabby when they're worn by the players.

There will always be those types of fans who support a person like that in any city. We weren't wanting what hapened to Moore to happen. That's just ridiculous. Period.

[Fanpuck33]

Feel free to explain his fracture to me. In fact, feel free to explain vertebral body fractures to the forum.

Or perhaps you could read up on persistent post concussion syndrome, the more serious of the two issues at this point, as I already pointed out. Everybody knows that every time you get a concussion, it makes it more likely to happen again. We're more than three years away from the hit and he still experiences post concussion symptoms. The chances of more concussions for him is astronomical. If he were to lace up and get another concussion after one so serious, he could suffer a serious brain injury.

[zumpano21]

So by your rationale then, all players who have had concussions, automatically retire after their first concussion?

And while we're at it. Moore's fracture was what is known as a stable fracture with no instability and no chance of injury to the spinal cord. Something that does not need to be treated in fact apart from minor pain relief. Why then did he appear at press conferences in a neck brace? Was that his lawyer's advice or doctor's advice?

Edited September 2, 2007 by zumpano21

[RobRock]

not an offical release but here are the Flyer's new jersey as spotted on the season ticket packages.

Not liking those things. Looks more like a novelty jersey than a game jersey. This is why I'm not looking forward to the Habs new jersey. They took a classic look like the Flyers and screwed it up.

[Fanpuck33]

So by your rationale then, all players who have had concussions, automatically retire after their first concussion?

That's a really weak argument, surely you didn't think it would hold up. How many concussions are as bad as Moore's? I certainly can't think of any off hand. I mean, how often do people experience post concussion symptoms for three years after the incident? Not many. That's a serious and traumatic brain injury. This was not some everyday bump on the head concussion.

[zumpano21]

That's a really weak argument, surely you didn't think it would hold up. How many concussions are as bad as Moore's? I certainly can't think of any off hand. I mean, how often do people experience post concussion symptoms for three years after the incident? Not many. That's a serious and traumatic brain injury. This was not some everyday bump on the head concussion.

Actually it's not and you kind of fell for it. The definition of a concussion consists of typical vague neurological symptoms after a traumatic incident without evidence of brain injury. The problem with this definition is that there is absolutely no way to compare one patient to the next because all the symptoms are subjective and there is no objective evidence that a brain injury has actually occurred.

Most people who have a concussion typically require a period of rest and then return to their previous activity. Most do not retire from this activity after their first concussion. This fact makes Moore a statistical outlier or in other words, it is highly improbable that Moore's absence from the game of hockey is due to his one and only concussion.