Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Come on people that guy is freaking huge. Yeah, but it wasn't like Bonds where he got big all of a sudden. Pujols was always huge, it was reasonable to think it was in genes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 yeah but if you know his back story, he met the steroids trainer when he was 18 in juco, he didn't come to the majors until 21 i believe, mcgwire's last year. So we've got to find his high school pictures basically. lol mlb is denying that list, but we'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowpeb Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) yeah but if you know his back story, he met the steroids trainer when he was 18 in juco, he didn't come to the majors until 21 i believe, mcgwire's last year. So we've got to find his high school pictures basically. Highschool pictures wouldn't aid your discussion...I put on 22 pounds of muscle in my final 2 years of university, while dropping my body fat percentage....and no, I did not take anything. Not even a protein bar. I didn't even change my diet a whole lot, though I ate healthy enough anyhow. Thank god my mom was/is a good cook. Trust me, if I can go from being 160lbs to 182lbs without anything special then it's not a leap of faith to believe that Pujols could do that and more too. I'm not saying he's not on the juice, just that you can't hold up a high school picture and say that he must be on 'roids because of how small he was at 17 years old. Edited December 13, 2007 by Zowpeb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Highschool pictures wouldn't aid your discussion...I put on 22 pounds of muscle in my final 2 years of university, while dropping my body fat percentage....and no, I did not take anything. Not even a protein bar. I didn't even change my diet a whole lot, though I ate healthy enough anyhow. Thank god my mom was/is a good cook. Trust me, if I can go from being 160lbs to 182lbs without anything special then it's not a leap of faith to believe that Pujols could do that and more too. I'm not saying he's not on the juice, just that you can't hold up a high school picture and say that he must be on 'roids because of how small he was at 17 years old. your replying to a guy that routinely gained 30lbs in the "off season" for football. I know about gaining weight, kids were taking juice, i'm like please you guys are idiots. I'm just saying he's worked with his trainer who was in the grimsley case. since high school and you can make it look like you are doing something "normal". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 (edited) Oh and for canadians who just have regular cable, CNN is airing a democratic party debate which goes like in 10 minutes at the same time the mitchell report comes out. So here's a link to just see the mitchell report: http://www.wnbc.com/videostream/13298034/detail.html if that doen't work, cnn.com is airing it Edited December 13, 2007 by Pierre the Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebecois Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Well here we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 this is exciting HGH has risen- mitchell other investigations will lead to more names- mitchell this is not an isolated problem- every club has a steroid user play for them- mitchell 5-7% tested positive in '03 'serious drug culture within baseball' omg this is like a presidential election, anticipation is immense tejada is on the list clemens pettitte Here it is Merry Christmas: http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pdf/071213...hell_report.pdf p.169 shows how clemens shot himself up with roids. Sheffield bonds giambi rocker mo vaugh david justice dykstra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 mo vaugh david justice Dang, I considered putting both of those guys on my suspect list. Gagne also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Gagne Knoblauch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 LoDuca, one point for me. Looks like he was pretty deep in it, recruited Kevin Brown and Eric Gagne into HGH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 i wish they'd just release the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zowpeb Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I'd be interested in knowing which guys took them to get better and which guys started taking them after injury issues and needed to get, or stay, healthy. As a health related issue I can ALMOST understand it...certainly if they needed it to overcome an ailment during a rehab process, less so if they continued taking it to avoid injury. I'm also not saying one should be allowed because it would open it up to abuse. I believe it has to be clear that it's not allowed for any reason...but I'd be curious, for example, if Gagne started taking them during his injury rehab or before that when he was the premier closer in the league. Now I don't know if having a drug in your system is actually punishable by law but, frankly, I don't see why these guys can't be punished in court for using an illegal drug, or to have the legislation put in place to allow the government to do so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebecois Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I think Gagne hurts the most for me. Couple former Spos on there with Rondell White and Mike Lansing that don't sit too well. If Zaun's been taking roids how come he can't throw out a damn runner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 lol Danny Neagle it sure didn't help him in Colorado... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I'd be interested in knowing which guys took them to get better and which guys started taking them after injury issues and needed to get, or stay, healthy. As a health related issue I can ALMOST understand it...certainly if they needed it to overcome an ailment during a rehab process, less so if they continued taking it to avoid injury. Details of each player's use is in the report, just search their name and you can read about them. Brian Roberts, an obvious suspect I should have thought of. Hal Morris, Ron Villone, Denny Neagle, and Kent Mercker all former Reds in the report. Villone and Neagle both got into it after their time with the Reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 lol Danny Neagle it sure didn't help him in Colorado... Juan Gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quebecois Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I dont feel like reading through that entire report. Hopefully someone publishes a list to make it easier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Troy Glaus David Bell duh besides the clemens these are all people we already know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 FOX reporting: Varitek Boone (Bret) Pujols Garciaparra Wood Mondesi Offerman Boy, their source sucked. Must have been the same one who reported it to CNN, they were saying the same names. None on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 still not happy, a lot of names should be on here, that aren't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 still not happy, a lot of names should be on here, that aren't What'd you expect? Mitchell had no power to do much of anything. Only one player talked to him, and that was because his hand was forced. If these guys really had nothing to hide like they say they do, why refuse to speak with him? The whole thing was a white wash from the beginning. Here's the list: Marvin Bernard Barry Bonds Bobby Estalella Jason Giambi Jeremy Giambi Benito Santiago Gary Sheffield Randy Verlarde Lenny Dykstrka David Segui Larry Bigbie Brian Roberts Jack Cust Tim Laker Todd Hundley Hal Morris Mark Carreon Matt Franco Rondell White Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Chuck Knoblauch Jason Grimsley Greg Zaunn David Justice F.P. Santangelo Glenallen Hill Mo Vaughn Denny Neagle Ron Villone Ryan Franklin Chris Donnels Todd Williams Phil Hiatt Todd Pratt Kevin Young Mike Lansing Cody McKay Kent Merker Adam Piatt Miguel Tejada Jason Christansen Mike Stanton Stephen Randolph Jerry Hariston Jr. Paul Lo Duca Adam Riggs Bart Miadich Fernando Vina Kevin Brown Eric Gagne Mike Bell Matt Herges Gary Bennett Jr. Jim Parque Brendan Donnelly Chad Allen Jeff Williams Howie Clark Nook Logan Rick Ankiel Paul Byrd Jay Gibbons Troy Glaus Jose Guillen Gary Matthews, Jr. Scott Schoeneweis Jose Canseco Jason Grimsley Darren Holmes John Rocker Ismael Valdez Matt Williams Steve Woodard David Bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 window dressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 don't care if that's the real list. More accurate one is this one from dead spin http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-the-lis...oned-333479.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 don't care if that's the real list. More accurate one is this one from dead spin http://deadspin.com/sports/is-this-the-lis...oned-333479.php And how in the hell can you know that list is more accurate? What's your evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre the Great Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 How is Brady Anderson not on that list? Oh wait, Mitchell didn't do any investigating he just reported stuff we already knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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