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Wow im am sick of having an ok team year after year. Its for bob to make a blockbuster deal or step aside and put someone in there who can . I mean Ive been reading here how people have been saying that he has been doing a good job but I havent seen anything since gainey came in. Make a trade for a leader or fire bob thats what i say

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yeah if only we could get an offensive sparkplug like Mike Ribeiro, but we'd need to trade a guy like Brisebois for that sort of return. :wacko:

Mahn I'm starting to hate streaming video -- listening to the Habs suck was not as painful as watching them do it /

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Seriously if you look at his last few signings and trades you think he would of been fired by now dont you think?

I'd axe BG in a heartbeat... not only the bad trades, but when you need an offensive centre more badly than anything else...you don't draft one???!!!

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Seriously if you look at his last few signings and trades you think he would of been fired by now dont you think?

I don't think so. On our team, he brought in Kovalev, Hamrlik, Kostopoulos, Smolinski, Dandenault, Brisebois, Gorges and Huet. Of those moves, I would say that Smolinski was a mistake (though it's only a one-year contract, so it was a low-risk move) and Dandenault is a bit overpaid but that all the other moves were good ones.

He lost Souray, Garon, Rivet, Beauchemin, Hainsey, Balej, Ribeiro, Dagenais, Theodore, Zednik. The only guys that I would want back on our team are Souray (who was replaced with Hamrlik - an upgrade), the two young defenceman (were claimed off waivers) and possibly Ribeiro but I'm not so sure as he never really did anything in Montreal.

Other mistakes he may have made? Signing Samsonov, a good move at the time, but then recovering from it by dumping him to Chicago. Letting Bonk and Johnson go and using Smolinski as a replacement.

Has he made more bad moves than good moves? I don't think so. His good moves just tend to be subtle ones, like picking up Hamrlik, etc.

So what about his drafting? The facts don't lie here - he's been incredible, we already have 3 20 year olds in the lineup from the 2005 draft and we have other guys he's drafted playing for us as well. Yes, you have to give Timmins a lot of credit for this but Gainey still has the final say and he always does a good job of giving Timmins the picks to work with (unlike JFJ in TO).

Overall, our team looks miles ahead of what it was before Gainey came here and that's both in the short team (no Turner Stevenson, Patrick Poulin, Oleg Petrov, Juha Lind, Craig Darby, etc) and the long-term (no Jason Wards, Eric Chouinards, Terry Ryans, etc) and that is what's really important.

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Patience... the help is already here, it'll grow with time, as the season progresses. Give the kids a chance.

My playoff hopes aren't in danger. If the CH can pull off .550 for the first half of the season, i'll be happy, because i'm confident in the second half they'll get .650+ So far they're .571 with 6 games to go until the halfway mark.

In Bob We Trust.

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Hmmm i think we do , i would trade price and go with halak. You might think im crazy but there is always a chance to draft a great goalie in the later roads but to draft an amazin player is like impossble except if u t the redwings.

I definitely disagree with that. There's one great goalie every few drafts, but plenty of great forwards in every single draft.

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Every one needs to calm down. Trade price? I hope that was a joke.

The Habs simply need to rid themselves of the veteran garbage that has been floating around here for years.

Coaching staff is staying, like it or not. These vets have gotten a free ride with getting coaches fired for years. The coaching staff is seeing who is willing to pay the price and who isn't. Right now I only see a 5-10 keepers. I do agree they need an actual defensive coach, they are brutal in there own end.

These are the same players who tore it up at the beginning with a brand of hockey not seen in years. The problem is the vets aren't use or frankly able to keep up the pace, tewach the youth good habits or play consistantly.

Koivu can fetch you a young centre and 1st rounder

Kovalev can fetch you the same

Ryder could get you a a Matt Cooke like player.

add Huetand a defenseman to the mix and you get several top picks probably 2 new players and continue the turnover.

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Gainey's done a good job, he's made some mistakes but not crucial ones that will screw us over for years. This team is in contention this year, and next year will be better.

And the idea of trading Price and going with Halak is :lol:

On the subject of Carbo I'm not decided yet. He's definitely made bad decisions, and he's inexperienced. But coaches always get too much blame for losing, too much credit for winning. I don't know if he's the right guy for the job, but who is?

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I think we need a new coaching staff.

Indeed, room full of rookies + rookie coach = *insert danger sign*

Sorry guys, as much as Carbo might be trying, everyone knew hiring him was a huge gamble because while he will be a solid future coach, the problem is that he keeps second guessing himself so much. Someone needs to sit down with him and wake him up and the team too. All the games on this road-trip have been a joke.

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Carbo can't do it himself...

IMO, he has many tools... but I'd depict it as if he has too many screwdrivers and needs a hammer.

We need a roster shakeup. We need a new #1 center and a new captain.

we can keep Koivu, I like him a lot. No doubt that he has heart and plays hard all the time.

IMO, it's in these times where a REAL CAPTAIN steps up and shakes his team. Carbo, Julien, Therrien, Vigneault, Tremblay, etc... can't do anything if Koivu CANNOT shake his team.

Cause whatever team we've had, whatever coach we've had... The problem has been recurrent, and I'm now to the point of POINTING OUR CAPTAIN for that. He has to take the blame for not being able to SHAKE HIS TEAM.

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Every one needs to calm down. Trade price? I hope that was a joke.

The Habs simply need to rid themselves of the veteran garbage that has been floating around here for years.

Coaching staff is staying, like it or not. These vets have gotten a free ride with getting coaches fired for years. The coaching staff is seeing who is willing to pay the price and who isn't. Right now I only see a 5-10 keepers. I do agree they need an actual defensive coach, they are brutal in there own end.

These are the same players who tore it up at the beginning with a brand of hockey not seen in years. The problem is the vets aren't use or frankly able to keep up the pace, tewach the youth good habits or play consistantly.

Koivu can fetch you a young centre and 1st rounder

Kovalev can fetch you the same

Ryder could get you a a Matt Cooke like player.

add Huetand a defenseman to the mix and you get several top picks probably 2 new players and continue the turnover.

Like you said there are some expendable players and there is a core of max ten-eleven players to build on.

My core:

Price

Komisarek: Good work will get good results, give this men the C.

Markov: Too much finesse is not the answer, 1-1 nobody can beat him.

Hammer= Continue your good work, don't try to do too muché

O'byrne= Don't let mistakes drive you down,

Higgins= Please aim before shoot

S.Kots= Keep up the adreline, watch for

A.Kots= Shoot ANdrei, shoot.

Chipchura= He has to win face off and use his body more

Plekanek= Would be one of the best third centermen in the league

Latendresse= Doing everything he can, just never matched witha playmaker.

All these players need to be better surrounded to have success.

Some surrounding players are to my point of view very useful for the transition.

Kovalev= No one else can contribute to this level and permit us to be top one in PP.

Dandenault= Gives everything he got, great with the kids too.

Bégin, when he is not there it's painful inPK.

Bouillon, he has played some great hockey lately.

Georges, until one of our young stud in D is ready.

Absolutely need to get rid of is Koivu, Huet, Ryder, Brisebois, Kostopolos(very deceiving),

Smolinski, Streit.

Floater: Laps.

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Someone came up with the analogy of square pegs going into round holes. Gainey has put together a team with speed (a lot of it) and some pretty good offensive flair. Do we see any of that? Ever? No, because Carbo is a defensive coach and specialist. He seems to prefer getting on Kovalev's back for not backchecking to perfection rather than encouraging him to dangle in the offensive zone.

The Kostitsyn twins (Basil! TWINS!) drip with talent and yet they've forced to play something akin to a checking role. We get to the attacking blue line and it's pretty much standard operating procedure to dump the puck (lose control of the play) and try to get in their with our one-man forecheck to win it back. Shock upon shock, we're not overly successful. Carbo is completely stumped by the trap and has had zero inspiration on how to beat it. We have the speed and speed kills. He keeps saying in the media that the team needs to use the speed, but if all he wants these skaters to do is chase after dumped pucks, I just don't see how the team will be successful.

On defense, we're so passive it's coma-like. I have never, in my life, seen a team give up the blueline so easily. Rivet, when he was traded, loved the fact that the Sharks stand the blueline and force something to happen. You know how we have to dump and chase the puck? The opponents don't and THAT is the number one reason this team struggles. They're allowed to gain the blueline WITH control and then they start the cycle. When you're chasing you opponents for 15 or 20 seconds on a controlled cycle, it's no surprise you get tired. People wonder why we get pinned deep in the zone? It's because we allow the opposition to control the puck.

Then, when the players get tired, someone gets open in the slot. Our defensive zone coverage is nowhere NEAR as bad as some might indicate. It's just that, when you're chasing chasing all the time you get tired, and a slick and smart opposing forward will take advantage of that, slip the coverage for a split second, and boom, puck's in the net.

Then all this talk about the captain comes into play and I just don't get it. What can Koivu do to motivate his players to play better? He doesn't believe in the system, that much is obvious - he knows it isn't working. So he goes out on the ice, does what he can, and that's it. Yes, yes, for you Koivu haters it's not enough that he doesn't explode in the dressing room every second game or guarantee a win or blah blah. The captain yelling to motivate his team is not, and I repeat NOT, going to help this team. What is is a system that complements the players.

We have a lot of talent on the ice but it's just not being used properly. It's kind of embarrassing, actually, watching this team play. The Canadiens play a very simple, AHL level, defensive game rather than an attacking, speed-based, aggressive style.

Ask yourselves this question: why did Montreal do SO well to start the season and then fade? Was it really work ethic etc? Or was it the opposition adjusting to Montreal's unchanging style? And now the team has lost confidence and Carbo is at wits end trying to re-establish it. And he won't. Unless he does something drastic. Line combos work for a few shifts, but what really needs to be done is adjusting his coaching style to accomodate what he HAS and not what he wishes he could have.

Meh, just my opinion.

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Those are really good points. Sometimes I wonder why we hired Carbo, I mean he's friends with Gainey but surely he wasn't the most qualified man for the job. But it looks like he'll be around for a while.

I think this team is capable of playing good defensive hockey and aggressive speedy hockey at the same time, and under Carbonneau. Like how we were playing at the end of last season. I hope this slump is just the adjustment period in the middle of the year, and that we get over it.

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Someone came up with the analogy of square pegs going into round holes. Gainey has put together a team with speed (a lot of it) and some pretty good offensive flair. Do we see any of that? Ever? No, because Carbo is a defensive coach and specialist. He seems to prefer getting on Kovalev's back for not backchecking to perfection rather than encouraging him to dangle in the offensive zone.

The Kostitsyn twins (Basil! TWINS!) drip with talent and yet they've forced to play something akin to a checking role. We get to the attacking blue line and it's pretty much standard operating procedure to dump the puck (lose control of the play) and try to get in their with our one-man forecheck to win it back. Shock upon shock, we're not overly successful. Carbo is completely stumped by the trap and has had zero inspiration on how to beat it. We have the speed and speed kills. He keeps saying in the media that the team needs to use the speed, but if all he wants these skaters to do is chase after dumped pucks, I just don't see how the team will be successful.

On defense, we're so passive it's coma-like. I have never, in my life, seen a team give up the blueline so easily. Rivet, when he was traded, loved the fact that the Sharks stand the blueline and force something to happen. You know how we have to dump and chase the puck? The opponents don't and THAT is the number one reason this team struggles. They're allowed to gain the blueline WITH control and then they start the cycle. When you're chasing you opponents for 15 or 20 seconds on a controlled cycle, it's no surprise you get tired. People wonder why we get pinned deep in the zone? It's because we allow the opposition to control the puck.

Then, when the players get tired, someone gets open in the slot. Our defensive zone coverage is nowhere NEAR as bad as some might indicate. It's just that, when you're chasing chasing all the time you get tired, and a slick and smart opposing forward will take advantage of that, slip the coverage for a split second, and boom, puck's in the net.

Then all this talk about the captain comes into play and I just don't get it. What can Koivu do to motivate his players to play better? He doesn't believe in the system, that much is obvious - he knows it isn't working. So he goes out on the ice, does what he can, and that's it. Yes, yes, for you Koivu haters it's not enough that he doesn't explode in the dressing room every second game or guarantee a win or blah blah. The captain yelling to motivate his team is not, and I repeat NOT, going to help this team. What is is a system that complements the players.

We have a lot of talent on the ice but it's just not being used properly. It's kind of embarrassing, actually, watching this team play. The Canadiens play a very simple, AHL level, defensive game rather than an attacking, speed-based, aggressive style.

Ask yourselves this question: why did Montreal do SO well to start the season and then fade? Was it really work ethic etc? Or was it the opposition adjusting to Montreal's unchanging style? And now the team has lost confidence and Carbo is at wits end trying to re-establish it. And he won't. Unless he does something drastic. Line combos work for a few shifts, but what really needs to be done is adjusting his coaching style to accomodate what he HAS and not what he wishes he could have.

Meh, just my opinion.

Wow I have heard some people on here mention your name before because of your good posts. This is the first one I've read of yours and now I understand why they said all the good things about you. I totally agree that it is Carbo's system that is the problem.It seems to me that he thinks he was the best player ever and everyone has to play like him or they are useless in his eyes. You need 2 or 3 guys like that and they will be extremely effective. For him to get on our forwards about defense is as stupid as getting mad at your goalie for not scoring goals. And lastly he has to stop insulting players to the media, if he has a problem with them it should be dealt with discretely and professionally. THE BEST DEFENCE IS A GOOD OFFENCE

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But it was Carbo's system that the team bought into at the beginning of the year that worked so well, and you point that out. The problem isn't the system it is the players lost confidence in the system and therefore their lack of execution. The system didn't break in my opinion.

Now the problem is to get the team to buy back into what was working so well. I questioned the team leadership for the first time ever after the disgraceful showing last game of last season. The team wasn't fired up, and it takes a certain type of character player in the lockeroom to accomplish this. Anyone who has even played pickup hockey knows the type of guy I mean. Not neccessarily the best player, but has a determined outlook and exudes it. Hates to lose, smashes his stick after a personal bad game that meant nothing. These guys tend to raise the players around them. I figure we have a gap there and have for years. We need that type of leadership now, and it has to be from someone who is buying in.

This player, however, need not be the captain. Many and probably most of these character players tend not to be, at least in my observation. SO, should Saku be stripped? Not if he isn't traded, but the guy we bring in, if we do trade better be that type of player. Not Marleau, at least not of late. However if he came here and turned it on we could use him at his top game for sure. We need a team guy though and I have no idea if any are available. Shane Corson still skating? Odi? But seriously, that type of guy.

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