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My point is that ON THE MARKET that we're seeing today, Kostytsin is worth more than that. Are you telling me some moronic team somewhere in the league wouldn't have offered Kosty over $4 mil? Please.

Great signing, period.

I agree that there are teams out there willing to pay Andrei 4 million or more. He is an RFA though which means that - unless someone is going to make an offer sheet - other teams do not have that luxury and it is only between Andrei and Bob.

I think what he did last year would probably go for more than 3.25 on the open market, but you have to also remember that part of his market valuation is determined by what he will do. At his age and skill level and previous performance, most would predict that he will improve over the next 3 years. That has to be factored in when analyzing his contract. Look at comps around this league, I think we got a good deal.

If we're looking at comparables around the league, do you think we should go out ans sign Rolston to 6 million x 6 seasons? Or should we stick with Plan A and pay Sundin 10 million over the next two. Other teams are screwing themselves over and if Bob is basing his own offers on what Waddell, Fletcher, Feaster et al are doing - there are going to be problems.

Before the UFA bidding had begun, I think we all thought that the contract would be around 3M per. So this new contract is very reasonable - but it's not exactly a move that you go around praising the general manager for. Bob is one of the best GMs in the league, if not THE best, but this is just a standard move, let's wait for the big punch - if it comes - before we start praising him prematurely. I just think that if you were honestly expecting a 3 year, 15 million dollar contract for Andrei, you were misguided from the start.

he played the last 40 games on the first line plus the playoffs. He is a first line player.

If you finish the season on the first line, you are a first line player.

I tend to look at it as a first line player for a second line salary, not the other way around.

Over the 3 years of this contract, he WILL be a first line player earning a good second line player's salary. Isn't that what happens to most young first line players when they come into this situation?

Your first statement might usually be true but it by no means a rule. For one thing, it depends on the team you're playing on. The highest scorer on NYI had 47 points last year. Is Ruslan Fedotenko a first line player because he played and finished the year on their first line?

Line-balancing could also have something to do with it. Maybe Carbo will decide he wants four great lines next year, so he'll bump Kostopoulos up to the first line and he'll demote Kovalev to the 4th. Then Kostopoulos will play and finish the year on the top line and suddenly become a first line player? Of course not, you know this. (Yes, this is a wild example but wild examples prove points better.)

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Oh, let's not fight. ^_^

I don't mean to say this signing is some work of brilliance. BTH, you're right, this is fair market value. My thinking is that in today's NHL most managers seem to maneouver themselves into situations where they become feverish and desperate and overpay. Bob thus far hasn't done that, and the times when he's been accused of overpaying - e.g., Hamrlik, Markov, Kovalev, Koivu - in retrospect look quite sensible. The Kostityn signing makes Bob LOOK like God because he's surrounded by numbskulls. Nonetheless, today's follies reinforce my sense of profound gratitude that Gainey is our admiral.

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I agree that there are teams out there willing to pay Andrei 4 million or more. He is an RFA though which means that - unless someone is going to make an offer sheet - other teams do not have that luxury and it is only between Andrei and Bob.

If we're looking at comparables around the league, do you think we should go out ans sign Rolston to 6 million x 6 seasons? Or should we stick with Plan A and pay Sundin 10 million over the next two. Other teams are screwing themselves over and if Bob is basing his own offers on what Waddell, Fletcher, Feaster et al are doing - there are going to be problems.

Before the UFA bidding had begun, I think we all thought that the contract would be around 3M per. So this new contract is very reasonable - but it's not exactly a move that you go around praising the general manager for. Bob is one of the best GMs in the league, if not THE best, but this is just a standard move, let's wait for the big punch - if it comes - before we start praising him prematurely. I just think that if you were honestly expecting a 3 year, 15 million dollar contract for Andrei, you were misguided from the start.

Over the 3 years of this contract, he WILL be a first line player earning a good second line player's salary. Isn't that what happens to most young first line players when they come into this situation?

Your first statement might usually be true but it by no means a rule. For one thing, it depends on the team you're playing on. The highest scorer on NYI had 47 points last year. Is Ruslan Fedotenko a first line player because he played and finished the year on their first line?

Line-balancing could also have something to do with it. Maybe Carbo will decide he wants four great lines next year, so he'll bump Kostopoulos up to the first line and he'll demote Kovalev to the 4th. Then Kostopoulos will play and finish the year on the top line and suddenly become a first line player? Of course not, you know this. (Yes, this is a wild example but wild examples prove points better.)

AK46 finished the season on the first line on the highest scoring team in the league that finished in first in their conference.

Your Fedetenko comment is exploring a point that it moot as it no way relevant to Kostitsyn.

Tanguay is a first line talent that has played on the second line in Colorado and Calgary. So I am not going to get into a discussion

about it being a rule.

He is being signed at that rate because everybody views him as a first line talent, and he finished up the year on the first line.

To me, that makes him a first liner and a bargain at 3.25M per season.

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Oh, let's not fight. ^_^

I don't mean to say this signing is some work of brilliance. BTH, you're right, this is fair market value. My thinking is that in today's NHL most managers seem to maneouver themselves into situations where they become feverish and desperate and overpay. Bob thus far hasn't done that, and the times when he's been accused of overpaying - e.g., Hamrlik, Markov, Kovalev, Koivu - in retrospect look quite sensible. The Kostityn signing makes Bob LOOK like God because he's surrounded by numbskulls. Nonetheless, today's follies reinforce my sense of profound gratitude that Gainey is our admiral.

I think that over time, many of these bloated contracts won't look quite as bad as they do now. At 39, Rolston will have a cap hit of 5 million dollars but I think that by the time he is 39, 5 million won't be as insane an amount for a shutdown third liner (he'll probably start to shift towards that role, sort of like Joe Juneau) as it is right now. As you said, the Markov, Hamrlik and Kovalev deals don't look bad at all right now. When we first signed Kovalev, 4.5M a year was a lot of money - now, it wouldn't be such a stretch to see Streit making that much by the end of the night.

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Oh, let's not fight. ^_^

I don't mean to say this signing is some work of brilliance. BTH, you're right, this is fair market value. My thinking is that in today's NHL most managers seem to maneouver themselves into situations where they become feverish and desperate and overpay. Bob thus far hasn't done that, and the times when he's been accused of overpaying - e.g., Hamrlik, Markov, Kovalev, Koivu - in retrospect look quite sensible. The Kostityn signing makes Bob LOOK like God because he's surrounded by numbskulls. Nonetheless, today's follies reinforce my sense of profound gratitude that Gainey is our admiral.

It is not a brilliant signing, but he could have easily panicked and paid him Corey Perry $$. Look what

the Caps gave Mike Green. Did they really need to pay him that type of money after one season?

These GMs are so busy trying to be brilliant that they overthink everything. Plenty of players have huge

years and never match them the rest of their careers.

Wellwood averaged a PPG 2 seasons ago, Higgins looked like a possible 40 goal guy last season. How smart

would it have been to toss $4-5M at both of those guys when they are going to be restricted for another 3-4 seasons?

Gainey is smart to not give 5-7 year deals in this cap era. I hope he keeps up this fiscal sanity. 2-3 years from now

people are going to look at Gainey in a different light.

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AK46 finished the season on the first line on the highest scoring team in the league that finished in first in their conference.

Your Fedetenko comment is exploring a point that it moot as it no way relevant to Kostitsyn.

Tanguay is a first line talent that has played on the second line in Colorado and Calgary. So I am not going to get into a discussion

about it being a rule.

He is being signed at that rate because everybody views him as a first line talent, and he finished up the year on the first line.

To me, that makes him a first liner and a bargain at 3.25M per season.

Yeah, I'm aware that it isn't relevant with Andrei - I'm just showing you that the statement you threw out isn't a fact at all. The line a player plays on doesn't mean very much. Near the end of the 06-07 season, we had Kovalev with Latendresse and Lapierre on the fourth line - he was finishing games with 18-20 minutes even though he was supposed to be "punished."

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I think that over time, many of these bloated contracts won't look quite as bad as they do now. At 39, Rolston will have a cap hit of 5 million dollars but I think that by the time he is 39, 5 million won't be as insane an amount for a shutdown third liner (he'll probably start to shift towards that role, sort of like Joe Juneau) as it is right now. As you said, the Markov, Hamrlik and Kovalev deals don't look bad at all right now. When we first signed Kovalev, 4.5M a year was a lot of money - now, it wouldn't be such a stretch to see Streit making that much by the end of the night.

But it is not out of the realm of possibility that the Cap comes down either. The US economy is not exactly booming.

Then what do those deals look like?

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Yeah, I'm aware that it isn't relevant with Andrei - I'm just showing you that the statement you threw out isn't a fact at all. The line a player plays on doesn't mean very much. Near the end of the 06-07 season, we had Kovalev with Latendresse and Lapierre on the fourth line - he was finishing games with 18-20 minutes even though he was supposed to be "punished."

I never said it was a fact. All I was showing is that a guy can be a first line player with 53 points.

You made the absolute statement that 53 points is a second liner.

If you end the season on the first line on the 4th best team in the league, you are most likely a first line player.

And everybody in this forum views AK46 as a first liner.

That was what I was referring to when I said "If you finish the season on the first line, you are a first line player".

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But it is not out of the realm of possibility that the Cap comes down either. The US economy is not exactly booming.

Then what do those deals look like?

If the cap goes down those teams are screwed but I don't think that is probable at this point. For now, it looks like salaries will keep on going up and up with the cap. All of a sudden, a contract like Kubina's - one that Toronto's apparently been trying to dump for a while - seems pretty fair.

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If the cap goes down those teams are screwed but I don't think that is probable at this point. For now, it looks like salaries will keep on going up and up with the cap. All of a sudden, a contract like Kubina's - one that Toronto's apparently been trying to dump for a while - seems pretty fair.

It has happened in the NBA and the NHL is living off new revenues and a high Canadian $$ for the last 3 years.

This is not a realistic representation of the NHL. If it was they would have taken the hard cap of 42M and not linked

it to revenue. Bettman or the owners did not forsee this, and neither did the fans or media who thought the players

had taken it hard.

THe NHL has been very aggressive in it's use of the web to market and also increased their jersey sales with their

BS uniform redesigns. Are those revenue's going to continue to rise? Will the Americans have the extra $$ to fork out

for their memorabilia and tickets in a recession? Will the Canadian dollar remain even with the US greenback?

There are a ton of questions that hardly assure the cap remains at 56M.

Salaries will keep going up because their are alot of dumb owners and GMs. The consistently set up systems to screw the

players and then search for ways to circumvent it. But if that cap does come down, I am ecstatic at the way Gainey has

put this team together because they will be able to survive it. Most of the drunken idiots out there today, will not.

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This is excellent news! Great signing by Bob and at a reasonable price. Kostitsyn will get 65 points next year and we have him for the next 3 years. Now we got to get Higgins and Komisarek signed to long term deals!

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Great stuff, one of the most valuable fa's / rfa's out there. Let them try and buy their way to success, like those glorious Rags teams of the late 90's / early 2000's.

Really, really pleased about this. Next Habs superstar.

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This is a fair signing for both parties, including both the amount and the length. Kostsitsyn has had a great season, but is still an unproven talent; this contract refelcts that very well. If he emerges as the star player that he could become, he'll get to cash in in three years, otherwise he won't be a terrible weigth for the Habs to carry around.

As for the other discussions going on, who cares is Kostsitsyn only has 53 points total. What matters is that once given his first real shot, he produced with very good consistency and at nearly a point per game ratio. He was definitely a first liner for the Habs, albeit still a little raw and not playing at full confidence, which is the next step for him to become an offensive leader like a Marian Hossa, and not simply a good support player like an Alex Tanguay (I'm not saying he's bad, but he's not a leader on the ice, and he's kinda useless if not well surrounded).

Also, Gainey can't give long term contracts foir the simple reason that no one so far has deserved one; we've had no quality RFA worthy of such an investment. However, Mike Komisarek might change that this year, and Gainey needs to begin negociations as soon as possible (especially if the coaching staff finally decide to give him a shot on the powerplay, where he's had success in the NCAA and the AHL).

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This is a brilliant move by Gainey to get him at 3.25 million locked up after the great year he just had.

Lets not forget Ryder somehow signed for 3 million in Boston, and there is a world of difference in these players...

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This is a brilliant move by Gainey to get him at 3.25 million locked up after the great year he just had.

Lets not forget Ryder somehow signed for 3 million in Boston, and there is a world of difference in these players...

by 3mil you mean 4mil

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This is a brilliant move by Gainey to get him at 3.25 million locked up after the great year he just had.

Lets not forget Ryder somehow signed for 3 million in Boston, and there is a world of difference in these players...

Exactly, Kosty for 3.25 or Ryder for 4 million. Who would you rather have??? I know the difference in age and Ryder was unrestricted but sure glad we have AK.

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thanks for correcting, I kept saying 3 million - but Ryder signed for 4 million - either number Boston overpaid.

He is just a powerplay specialist - and even that was not last year, but 2 years ago.

He got benefit of being on the #1 line then - and plenty of ice time to get his 30 goals... but -25 - you might as well give all those goals back!

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