alexstream Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Wow, I love Gainey and his balls. (no inuendo ) Like him or not, Bob Gainey has one huge set of Kohones... It started in 200x when he said to the yellow fans to stop booing Brisebois for nothing or just stay at home. [... biography needed] till today where he sends S. Kost to ride the bus for a while, until he decides to look out for his feistiness. and send Kovalev in the corner to think for a while... :bow: Gainey and his balls No Andre Savard of this world would ever have taken such a decision. If it works, Kovalev comes back to heroic status, if it doesn't work, he's traded (we'd lose him anyways, and he's useless right now anyways) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 At least someone will make them. Carbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't understand Gainey's critics. They seem to think he is to be blamed for not landing a big superstar. But he's assembled a team that was expected to compete for the Conference title and the Cup. (That it has failed to gel has nothing to do with his general managing per se; the point is he has moved us from a bottom-feeding club to a team that could reasonably attract these expectations. He cannot control what goes on in the room, nor what coaches do, nor the internal psyches of immature babies). As for the 'superstar' thing, one look at contracts like those given to Briere and Gomez, and what albatrosses those are around their teams' necks, suggests that we should be relieved rather than angry at Bob's failure/refusal to sign those deals. Gainey is universally respected and a winner par excellence. I have no doubt that he is as disgusted as the rest of us with the team's performance. The difference is that he doesn't fly off the handle and make panic moves. We're in good hands. Thank heaven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richer44 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Is this a benching or is there a trade coming??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I don't understand Gainey's critics. They seem to think he is to be blamed for not landing a big superstar. But he's assembled a team that was expected to compete for the Conference title and the Cup. (That it has failed to gel has nothing to do with his general managing per se; the point is he has moved us from a bottom-feeding club to a team that could reasonably attract these expectations. He cannot control what goes on in the room, nor what coaches do, nor the internal psyches of immature babies). As for the 'superstar' thing, one look at contracts like those given to Briere and Gomez, and what albatrosses those are around their teams' necks, suggests that we should be relieved rather than angry at Bob's failure/refusal to sign those deals. Gainey is universally respected and a winner par excellence. I have no doubt that he is as disgusted as the rest of us with the team's performance. The difference is that he doesn't fly off the handle and make panic moves. We're in good hands. Thank heaven. The only decision I had a problem with during his tenure was keeping Souray for a run at 8th in 2007. That team was going nowhere and gave up a chance at cementing the foundation for the future. Outside of that, I have agreed with all his signings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I saw a guy in the crowd in Vancouver with a sign that said something like "Hey Bob, Hit Me!" and an arrow to his shirt. On his shirt it said "Panic Button" This is Bob's panic button. For what ever reason Carbo doesn't sit Kovy. Bob is shaking things up. It's nice to see. The only decision I had a problem with during his tenure was keeping Souray for a run at 8th in 2007. That team was going nowhere and gave up a chance at cementing the foundation for the future. Outside of that, I have agreed with all his signings. Ya, that one blew me away too. You knew the team could do nothing. A prospect and a couple of picks would have been nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 The only decision I had a problem with during his tenure was keeping Souray for a run at 8th in 2007. That team was going nowhere and gave up a chance at cementing the foundation for the future. Outside of that, I have agreed with all his signings. I agree - I'm not saying Gainey is infallible. That was a dumb move and I said so at the time. The Ribeiro trade was high risk, and I said so at the time. Samsonov was a bust, but that's one I didn't see coming. The goal can't be perfection - just excellence. Bob gives us that, day in and day out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 Not the same impact. Carbo benching Kov = Kov around the team and bitching around => Avery with Dallas factor Bob telling Kov to STAY HOME = Kov disgruntled at home and team playing its ass off. => Avery off Dallas factor (I'm not comparing Kovalev with Avery at all, just using the Avery factor as an analogy of the effect of such decisions) the above quote is my explanation on Gainey taking the decision to bench Kovy instead of Carbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 The Ribs trade was brutal. Samsonov was a bust, but really, who knew. I also hated the Huet trade, I would have kept him for how little we got and let him walk after the season. I wish we had signed Streit early last year to an extension.... I give Gainey a 75% rating, which in my book is pretty damn good. He has made some great moves, made a few dumb moves, and a few iffy ones, but he is probably in the top 5 GM category across the league. If he was not so handicapped with free agent signings (can't get guys to come to Montreal) we might be up their with Detroit right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Gainey rocks! It's been pointed out that BOb continues to fail to land that big fish. However, as you may recall he had Smitty lined up to sign with us. Had Sakic not convinced Smitty to sign in Colorado, we may have signed him. Now, rewind the clock 10 years. If someone had said to me that we had even a sniff of a chance to sign Smitty, I would have laughed uncontrollably. "In your dreams". But, here we are and we will no doubt be there in July too. Yes it's true that BOb failed to get him and Briere but at least there was a chance. It's Gainey who has provided the stability. His defence of Breezer showed the NHL players that if you are worried about the scrutiny in Montreal - don't because BOb is on YOUR side! The fear of playing for the Habs has diminished and Gainey has brought stability. Without Gainey, I doubt this would be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 the above quote is my explanation on Gainey taking the decision to bench Kovy instead of Carbo. Shouldn't Carbo do it first, though? Even if he is around the team, it gives Carbo legitimacy. Now it makes Carbo look weak and that he can't control Kovy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Gainey rocks! It's been pointed out that BOb continues to fail to land that big fish. However, as you may recall he had Smitty lined up to sign with us. Had Sakic not convinced Smitty to sign in Colorado, we may have signed him. Now, rewind the clock 10 years. If someone had said to me that we had even a sniff of a chance to sign Smitty, I would have laughed uncontrollably. "In your dreams". But, here we are and we will no doubt be there in July too. Yes it's true that BOb failed to get him and Briere but at least there was a chance. It's Gainey who has provided the stability. His defence of Breezer showed the NHL players that if you are worried about the scrutiny in Montreal - don't because BOb is on YOUR side! The fear of playing for the Habs has diminished and Gainey has brought stability. Without Gainey, I doubt this would be the case. Nobody seems to mention the fact that Gainey has incredible flexibility in an economic downturn. All we get is whining from the media how the Free Agents are the problem. He may be able to pick and choose through some bargains this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazy26 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 Shouldn't Carbo do it first, though? Even if he is around the team, it gives Carbo legitimacy. Now it makes Carbo look weak and that he can't control Kovy. I agree. The fact that it was Bob's move lends credence to the belief that Kovy may be traded... and that it's to Washington or Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted February 17, 2009 Author Share Posted February 17, 2009 The Ribs trade was brutal. Samsonov was a bust, but really, who knew. I also hated the Huet trade, I would have kept him for how little we got and let him walk after the season. I wish we had signed Streit early last year to an extension.... I give Gainey a 75% rating, which in my book is pretty damn good. He has made some great moves, made a few dumb moves, and a few iffy ones, but he is probably in the top 5 GM category across the league. If he was not so handicapped with free agent signings (can't get guys to come to Montreal) we might be up their with Detroit right now. The Huet trade is now Huet and a 3rd for Schneider and a conditional pick... Huet is earning 5M riding the bench in Chicago. The trade was a very good one. I wouldn't have signed him to a ridiculous 5M contract. HOWEVER, if you question the decision to go with two rookies and not sign anyone (even a Jocelyn Thibault) who could play NHL... then you'd be partly right... but ... Who is Marc Denis, if he's not just that... but up to now, everytime Halak falls, Price rises, and vice versa. Almost. up to now at least. yah. now, they don't. it sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 This is a great day. We desperately needed some leadership and today we got it in a big way. Alexstream is right, the impact of this on Kovalev is magnified a million times. Anything that Carbo could have done in respect to Kovalev just pales in comparison to having Bob Gainey tell you to stay home. If the Habs play like beasts when Kovalev isn't around then I bet he is gone. S. Kostitsyn has a lot to think about. I hope he is mature enough to deal with this in the right way. It should serve as a wake up call to Price and Higgins too. It is great to party but when it affects the Montreal Canadiens then you have crossed a line. Gainey is willing and able to step in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Shouldn't Carbo do it first, though? Even if he is around the team, it gives Carbo legitimacy. Now it makes Carbo look weak and that he can't control Kovy. Naaaaaa, I don't buy that. It sounds as though there was a meeting of the minds with Bob and the coaching staff and they all decided on moves that should be made. If anything Kovalev got the news from both of them in their office. This isn't Bob coming in and putting his foot down as the media is making it sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 The Huet trade is now Huet and a 3rd for Schneider and a conditional pick... Huet is earning 5M riding the bench in Chicago. The trade was a very good one. I wouldn't have signed him to a ridiculous 5M contract. HOWEVER, if you question the decision to go with two rookies and not sign anyone (even a Jocelyn Thibault) who could play NHL... then you'd be partly right... but ... Who is Marc Denis, if he's not just that... but up to now, everytime Halak falls, Price rises, and vice versa. Almost. up to now at least. yah. now, they don't. it sucks. Huet is splitting duties, not riding the pine. He is also WAY ahead of price in stats... That said, i would not have signed him for that either, my point is we should have kept him for the playoff drive. In my view, Price collapsed and the team went with him.. Huet and Price last year and we get past Philly... maybe even to the finals... We were hot last year, and if this year proves anything, its when you are hot.. go for it... instead, we gambled. Remember all that crap about sacrificing last year to get Price experience, for this year??? Well, we might not even make the playoffs this year. We wasted last year, imo Its funny how Chicago doesn't mind paying for Huet and Bulin.. since they know they will need a hot goalie to go far in the west, and they are doubling their chances. Shame, I would love to get Bulin out of Chicago to stabilize our goalie situation and take the pressure off Price. I do believe Price is our future.. just think we are rushing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brobin Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 This is a great day. We desperately needed some leadership and today we got it in a big way. Alexstream is right, the impact of this on Kovalev is magnified a million times. Anything that Carbo could have done in respect to Kovalev just pales in comparison to having Bob Gainey tell you to stay home. If the Habs play like beasts when Kovalev isn't around then I bet he is gone. S. Kostitsyn has a lot to think about. I hope he is mature enough to deal with this in the right way. It should serve as a wake up call to Price and Higgins too. It is great to party but when it affects the Montreal Canadiens then you have crossed a line. Gainey is willing and able to step in. Agree 100%.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneHABSfan Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Gainey rocks! It's been pointed out that BOb continues to fail to land that big fish. However, as you may recall he had Smitty lined up to sign with us. Had Sakic not convinced Smitty to sign in Colorado, we may have signed him. Now, rewind the clock 10 years. If someone had said to me that we had even a sniff of a chance to sign Smitty, I would have laughed uncontrollably. "In your dreams". But, here we are and we will no doubt be there in July too. Yes it's true that BOb failed to get him and Briere but at least there was a chance. It's Gainey who has provided the stability. His defence of Breezer showed the NHL players that if you are worried about the scrutiny in Montreal - don't because BOb is on YOUR side! The fear of playing for the Habs has diminished and Gainey has brought stability. Without Gainey, I doubt this would be the case. AC, I always enjoy reading your posts! They always have some thought and effort put into them. Could not agree more, Bob Gainey has brought credibility and a professional atmosphere back to Habland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habiman Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 This is a great move! Absent a trade, Gainey is forcing Kovy, a proud player, to pull it together or sit the rest of the season and face a tough FA market at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I want Gainey behind the bench. He did a great job in 2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamsley01 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Huet is splitting duties, not riding the pine. He is also WAY ahead of price in stats... Is Clemmensen better than Huet? Ty Conklin? Jonas Hiller? Stats are not an indication of greatness, no position in sports is more reliant on your team than goaltending. Compare goaltenders in conditions with the same variables, outside of that it is irrelevant. Edited February 18, 2009 by Wamsley01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 You know, I forgot about the Huet deal in my little instant evaluation of Gainey. I disagreed with that move, too, for the reasons others have stated. The one way I can justify it is on the grounds that Carbo had shown that he would always go with the experienced Huet in the crunch, and that, therefore, the only way to give Price that crucial playoff experience was to move Huet. I can respect that logic - just as I can respect the logic that says it was better to lose Huet for a pick than lose him for nothing as a UFA - but Huet could have made a real difference against Philly. Oh, well, Bob is still The Man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 no position in sports is more reliant on your team than goaltending. I'd say QB is right up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l<OV4L3V Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 I'd say QB is right up there. New England Patriots would be the Superbowl Champions had tom brady been the QB last season! i agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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