Trizzak Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 http://www.habsworld.net/article.php?id=1764 In this week's recap, dlbalr listed the likelihood of each Canadiens player (and a few Bulldogs) to be traded by deadline day. Gotta agree on Dandenault, if the rumours are true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 dandy for sure. Higgins #2? Banking on Pacioretty and Latendresse will both prove more productive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 dandy for sure. Higgins #2? Banking on Pacioretty and Latendresse will both prove more productive? Or banking that what we get in return for Higgins will prove more productive. You may be less productive at LW, but it could be more than made up for by the fact that you're more productive at C, RW, or D (whatever Higgins gets traded for). Also, Tanguay is coming back this week, and it's pretty likely he'll be more productive than Higgins at LW regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 dandy for sure. Higgins #2? Banking on Pacioretty and Latendresse will both prove more productive? They've already been as productive as Higgins has been this year. As much as I hate to say it, I think last year's numbers are the type to expect from Higgins on a yearly basis. He just doesn't have the finishing touch to be that consistent 30+ goal scorer we wanted him to be. If we can get an impact scoring forward for him, they I think we have to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 They've already been as productive as Higgins has been this year. As much as I hate to say it, I think last year's numbers are the type to expect from Higgins on a yearly basis. He just doesn't have the finishing touch to be that consistent 30+ goal scorer we wanted him to be. If we can get an impact scoring forward for him, they I think we have to do it. Ya, the only thing that bugs me about Higgins is that he could go to a team like Philli and become John Leclair. I hate when that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Dandy is the most likely guy to be moved by the deadline. Bob will try to accomodate him as much as possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAK Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 If someone blows Bob's mind with a nice package, I could see Kovy go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l<OV4L3V Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think the 2 on Saku is much too low. I would put him right up there with Kovalev (5) as his ability to bring the team together when the going got tough was lackluster as well. He also went 13 games without a goal this season so he's right up there with Kovy (a trade with Minnesota could potentially happen). Higgins really should be a 7. If there is anybody who is going to be involved in a deal you have to figure that it is going to be him...and I won't miss him Ya, the only thing that bugs me about Higgins is that he could go to a team like Philli and become John Leclair. I hate when that happens. He could but I cant count how many times ive watched higgins not finish...he simply is not a top 2 line goal scorer as everyone had anticipated for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 I think we'll see Dandenault go for a pick, and then Gainey picking up another defenseman - maybe Morris, maybe a depth guy. The only other real possibility I see is Jokinen but I won't get my hopes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 He could but I cant count how many times ive watched higgins not finish...he simply is not a top 2 line goal scorer as everyone had anticipated for A guy who scored 23 goals as a rookie, 22 in 61 games in his second year, and 27 goals last year is not a top 6 forward? Who the heck are we expecting to play on our second line? Even with all his struggles this year, he's on pace for about 17 goals if he played the full season. With thirty teams, 6 top 2 line forwards per team equals out to the top 180 forwards in the game. Do you honestly think there are 180 better forwards than Higgins? He's a quality forward that may not be a top line winger, but he's definitely a guy that can play in almost anyone's top six with that kind of production. I'm okay with trading him, but it's about allocation of resources in our situation rather than thinking he's somehow unqualified for his role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 A guy who scored 23 goals as a rookie, 22 in 61 games in his second year, and 27 goals last year is not a top 6 forward? Who the heck are we expecting to play on our second line? Even with all his struggles this year, he's on pace for about 17 goals if he played the full season. With thirty teams, 6 top 2 line forwards per team equals out to the top 180 forwards in the game. Do you honestly think there are 180 better forwards than Higgins? He's a quality forward that may not be a top line winger, but he's definitely a guy that can play in almost anyone's top six with that kind of production. I'm okay with trading him, but it's about allocation of resources in our situation rather than thinking he's somehow unqualified for his role. I have to agree with you. Higgins would be a second line winger on most teams. I wonder what his production would have been this year if he wasn't hurt and played with Koivu and Tanguay the whole time. I have mixed feelings about moving him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l<OV4L3V Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) He's a quality forward that may not be a top line winger, but he's definitely a guy that can play in almost anyone's top six with that kind of production. I'm okay with trading him, but it's about allocation of resources in our situation rather than thinking he's somehow unqualified for his role. The only person I want on our 2nd line has the name DUMONT on his back and plays for Nashville..he would be a perfect fit. Higgins just isn't the right fit for his salary and he's only going to want more. With the cap expected to go down.. can you afford to have someone who misses 7/10 chances? Bob, Please Move him! And Bring JP in :que: Edited March 2, 2009 by l<OV4L3V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 about higgins, I wouldn't mind if his production remained at around 20 goals 40-50 pts IF IF IF he was a perennial Selke candidate, or if not a candidate, one of the very good defensive forwards in the league... as previously advertised / sold by Andre Savard... IMO, he's a deception on both accounts : he is not a prime score he is not a prime two way he is just a regular not so great 2nd liner, à la Brian Savage (although he's quicker and is way better than Savage on a checking role... but he's no Jere Lehtinen... miles away from that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 Higgins is one of our best two-way forwards... He's no Datsyuk but I think that's a little bit unfair to ask for. 20+ goals for a player who can play well in PK, PP and even strength who is responsible and his own zone and chips hard in the offensive zone would be welcome in my top 6 any day of the week. He's got speed, hands and isn't afraid to go into the corners either. The only thing he lacks to be a complete player is finish because if he had that, he could be shooting for 40 goals with the number of chances he creates for himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athlétique.Canadien Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 (edited) I'm not sure anyone. This is boring. Is there going to be any trades in even the League? :zzz: Edited March 2, 2009 by Athlétique.Canadien Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saskhab Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 So, let me get this straight... Higgins is not good enough because he is not J-P Dumont (who apparently is the only 2nd liner "Kovalev" wants on our team at all... that would be a lot of 5 on 3 situations we'd be giving up), and because he is not close to the best defensive forward of his generation like the guy who drafted him boldly predicted when the team was terrible. Okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTH Posted March 2, 2009 Share Posted March 2, 2009 about higgins, I wouldn't mind if his production remained at around 20 goals 40-50 pts IF IF IF he was a perennial Selke candidate, or if not a candidate, one of the very good defensive forwards in the league... as previously advertised / sold by Andre Savard... IMO, he's a deception on both accounts : he is not a prime score he is not a prime two way he is just a regular not so great 2nd liner, à la Brian Savage (although he's quicker and is way better than Savage on a checking role... but he's no Jere Lehtinen... miles away from that) Why does he HAVE to be a perennial Selke candidate? There are like three of those in the entire league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 The only person I want on our 2nd line has the name DUMONT on his back and plays for Nashville..he would be a perfect fit. Higgins just isn't the right fit for his salary and he's only going to want more. With the cap expected to go down.. can you afford to have someone who misses 7/10 chances? Bob, Please Move him! And Bring JP in :que: I agree that JP would be the perfect fit for the Habs. However I would be highly surprised if Bobs trades for him. Bob would have to eat a lot of Crow if he picks up Dumont. Dont forget that Bob could have signed JP as a UFA for 1/2 of what he makes now. If Bob was to get him he would be admitting that he should have signed him 2 years ago, which is what I've been saying all along. JP should be a Habs, he is a perfect fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habiman Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Higgins always seems to pop up in the rumor mill. He really hasn't been the same since the ankle injury. But, this guy is definitely a quality second liner and great in the locker room and on the penalty kill....He's gritty, speedy and always works hard at both ends... I like he in the CH, but Bob does have some room to upgrade as I'll bet ever GM likes Higgins for all reasons stated... above... This decision could be an opportunity for Bob to work some magic....or to make a big misstep... Please not Jok-I-nen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromage Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) great in the locker room He had his A removed recently. Probably due to partying too much Edited March 4, 2009 by fromage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Wow, talk about an baseless assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromage Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) Wow, talk about an baseless assumption. Well yeah, but the fact remains that Higgins lost his A. So how much leadership can Higgins show? Edited March 4, 2009 by fromage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tokyohabs Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure Dumont said he doesn't want to play in Mtl when he was a FA a bit back. I remember distinctly wanting to sign him, and him coming out with that. I'm re-doing my guess, Carle next after Dandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Boagalott Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Dandy to SJ for a 1st rounder, and they throw in Mike Grier. Why not? Bobs ripped them off before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HABBER-oooooKNOWS Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 I'm pretty sure Dumont said he doesn't want to play in Mtl when he was a FA a bit back. I remember distinctly wanting to sign him, and him coming out with that. I'm re-doing my guess, Carle next after Dandy That's exactly what I thought, but once I mentioned it and got bombed with the complete opposite. Apparently he wanted to come to Montreal but Bob didn't want to sign him. I don't know, not really sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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