habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) This whole thread is crap as far as I am concerned Toe Blake did not speak french Scotty Bowman did not spreak french Dick Irvin did not speak french. How many cups would we have without them? I am of french canadien decent, named for the rocket and I, like guy carbonneau dont care if he speaks chinese I WANT ANOTHER GD CUP. hell lets get a russian coach maybe he could get the damn ruskies on this team moving their asses. pol inc i know Edited March 21, 2009 by habs rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 This whole thread is crap as far as I am concerned Toe Blake did not speak french Scotty Bowman did not spreak french Dick Irvin did not speak french. How many cups would we have without them? I am of french canadien decent, named for the rocket and I, like guy carbonneau dont care if he speaks chinese I WANT ANOTHER GD CUP. That's all there is, SCOREBOARD, WINS, CUPS, thanks Habs Rule... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 and you will go personally ask those 80% of fans to learn english or stfu? So you're trying to tell me that 80% of people in Quebec don't speak English? This whole thread is crap as far as I am concerned Toe Blake did not speak french Scotty Bowman did not spreak french Dick Irvin did not speak french. How many cups would we have without them? I am of french canadien decent, named for the rocket and I, like guy carbonneau dont care if he speaks chinese I WANT ANOTHER GD CUP. Umm... Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman both could speak French... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 So you're trying to tell me that 80% of people in Quebec don't speak English? Umm... Toe Blake and Scotty Bowman both could speak French... actuall y u r wrong both spoke a pidgen french but were not in any bilingual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 actuall y u r wrong both spoke a pidgen french but were not in any bilingual Toe Blake was fluent in French. He learned it from his mother and he lived in Montreal for the majority of his adult life. Bowman grew up just outside of Montreal and knows the language well enough to get by. I've heard his French is about on par with Gainey's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Toe Blake was fluent in French. He learned it from his mother and he lived in Montreal for the majority of his adult life. Bowman grew up just outside of Montreal and knows the language well enough to get by. I've heard his French is about on par with Gainey's. i hate to say it but you may be right I may have read and article that was incorrect. However the point still stands. I dont care what the media in quebec want I want a cup and I do not care what language the coach speaks. Guy spoke french pretty well and could not communicate with his players, so lets do that again shall we. Most people in Quebec 75-80% speak both languages. I want a coach who can talk to the players I could care less if the media cant understand him since they wont have to score any goals or kill any penalties. Get the best damn coach you can he can learn to speak whatever language you like. Just like the prime minister of this country (one of the few things he has ever done that i agree with) Edited March 21, 2009 by habs rule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 i hate to say it but you may be right I may have read and article that was incorrect. However the point still stands. I dont care what the media in quebec want I want a cup and I do not care what language the coach speaks. Guy spoke french pretty well and could not communicate with his players, so lets do that again shall we. Most people in Quebec 75-80% speak both languages. I want a coach who can talk to the players I could care less if the media cant understand him since they wont have to score any goals or kill any penalties. Get the best damn coach you can he can learn to speak whatever language you like. Just like the prime minister of this country (one of the few things he has ever done that i agree with) Yup, I agree. Best coach possible no matter what. They can easily pay a translator. That being said, I would require a non-French speaking coach to learn French as part of his contract. It's a sign of respect to the province, plus I think that if you are going to make a living somewhere, you should have to speak the language of where you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Yup, I agree. Best coach possible no matter what. They can easily pay a translator. That being said, I would require a non-French speaking coach to learn French as part of his contract. It's a sign of respect to the province, plus I think that if you are going to make a living somewhere, you should have to speak the language of where you are. that seems very reasonable. I'm glad we solved this. Let Bob and Pierre (keep your mitts off my hockey team) know our decision and lets get to winning some hockey games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 This whole thread is crap as far as I am concerned Toe Blake did not speak french Scotty Bowman did not spreak french Dick Irvin did not speak french. How many cups would we have without them? I am of french canadien decent, named for the rocket and I, like guy carbonneau dont care if he speaks chinese I WANT ANOTHER GD CUP. hell lets get a russian coach maybe he could get the damn ruskies on this team moving their asses. pol inc i know he did. was from montreal and has a surprising good french... no idea how he talked to the medias though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 yeah fanpuck and i already solved this get with the program Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexstream Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 So you're trying to tell me that 80% of people in Quebec don't speak English? why am I trying? heck, in Qc city and Longueuil (total for both of more than 1M) which are 2nd and 3rd biggest cities in the province of Quebec, you can barely find someone who understand english. And I'm not even talking about further down the st-laurent (in Gaspé, Rimousky) or in the Saguenay Lac St-Jean (all those little cities amount for half of the population of the province). People try to understand a bit about what that province is before thinking that you know all. Would I get myself understood in french if I was going to Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico?? There are above 7.5M in the province. there are nearly 3M in greater Montreal and maybe 50% of them will not understand english or barely understand it (yes no ketchup - highschool bad english at best). So that gives you 1.5M-2M who either are bilingual or just english. For the rest of the province, add another 10% of the 7M... so 700k. So at best? at the very best, 35% of the province will be able to understand and will "understand the choice of having an english coach" the rest will just bitch and whine because they don't understand and are dissatisfied. some stats if you want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%C3%A9bec#Mother_tongues Yup, I agree. Best coach possible no matter what. They can easily pay a translator. That being said, I would require a non-French speaking coach to learn French as part of his contract. It's a sign of respect to the province, plus I think that if you are going to make a living somewhere, you should have to speak the language of where you are. that's reasonable. Like Stephen Harper is really trying hard to learn french (that still doesn't make him a good prime minister though ) i hate to say it but you may be right I may have read and article that was incorrect. However the point still stands. I dont care what the media in quebec want I want a cup and I do not care what language the coach speaks. Guy spoke french pretty well and could not communicate with his players, so lets do that again shall we. Most people in Quebec 75-80% speak both languages. I want a coach who can talk to the players I could care less if the media cant understand him since they wont have to score any goals or kill any penalties. Get the best damn coach you can he can learn to speak whatever language you like. Just like the prime minister of this country (one of the few things he has ever done that i agree with) wow, where do you take that from?! do a round try my friend, I guarantee that you are an e.t. in Rimousky and they do not make the difference between you, a spanish-speaking and a chinese-speaking. my cousins are literate, well schooled, intelligent, reasonable beings from Rivière du Loup and couldnt understand a word of english. one of them moved to montreal at 20 and he's 25 now and is only starting to understand english. he had to for his job, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenadian Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Guess the next Nashville coach is going to have to learn country music........either playing/singing or writing. Hire the BEST MOST EXPERIENCED period. Edited March 21, 2009 by kenadian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 some stats if you want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qu%C3%A9bec#Mother_tongues Your 65% claim seems a bit better. If we're going with a population of 7.5 million: 80% claim to be native francophones, so 6 million. As of 1996, 1/3 of the francophones also knew English. That's two million. 12%, or 900,000 claim to be allophones. As of 1996, two-thirds of allophones also speak English, so 600,00. 8% claim to be anglophones, that's 600,000. Using those numbers, 42% know English. If the number of francophones who also speak English has continued to grow, I would guess that number is approaching 50%. Anyways, my original point was that you 80% figure was way off, and it was. That being said, I would have guessed the number of people who can speak English would be well over 50%. My experience in Montreal definitely influenced my perception, though I guess it makes sense that there is a higher percentage of bilingual people in Montreal, especially in businesses and restaurants. Guess the next Nashville coach is going to have to learn country music........either playing/singing or writing. Hire the BEST MOST EXPERIENCED period. Your analogy is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 i hate to say it but you may be right I may have read and article that was incorrect. However the point still stands. I dont care what the media in quebec want I want a cup and I do not care what language the coach speaks. Guy spoke french pretty well and could not communicate with his players, so lets do that again shall we. Most people in Quebec 75-80% speak both languages. I want a coach who can talk to the players I could care less if the media cant understand him since they wont have to score any goals or kill any penalties. Get the best damn coach you can he can learn to speak whatever language you like. Just like the prime minister of this country (one of the few things he has ever done that i agree with) 75-80% of Outremont speak both languages !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 (edited) Who cares what 80% of people in Quebec speak? You can throw around all the stats you want but in the end it doesn't matter what the fans speak. They can speak Spanish for all I care. Bottom line: our dressing room is English. That's the only thing that's important. As long as the coach is able to speak whatever the players speak, nothing else is important. This is a hockey team, not a government establishment. Edited March 21, 2009 by ForumGhost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 75-80% of Outremont speak both languages !!! take stuff out of context much? you should get a job as a montreal reporter you would fit right in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Who cares what 80% of people in Quebec speak? You can throw around all the stats you want but in the end it doesn't matter what the fans speak. They can speak Spanish for all I care. Bottom line: our dressing room is English. That's the only thing that's important. As long as the coach is able to speak whatever the players speak, nothing else is important. This is a hockey team, not a government establishment. exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafikz Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 It's shit like this that makes me think I should consider cheering for another team... As long as they're looking for the best guy who can speak french instead of the best guy PERIOD, they're gonna suck. + 245000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 take stuff out of context much? you should get a job as a montreal reporter you would fit right in How can I take it out of context when this sentence in your post has no link with the previous NOR the next sentence ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenadian Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Look at all the European teams (past/present) who have hired Canadian coaches ........... how many of them speak/spoke the "native" language? Sure there's less pressure/media BUT they do it to MAKE THEIR TEAM BETTER.... How do all these french reporters do interviews with visiting teams/players???? Thought so.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 heck, in Qc city and Longueuil (total for both of more than 1M) which are 2nd and 3rd biggest cities in the province of Quebec, you can barely find someone who understand english. And I'm not even talking about further down the st-laurent (in Gaspé, Rimousky) or in the Saguenay Lac St-Jean (all those little cities amount for half of the population of the province). Yeeeeh, that's where my family is from (Gobeil). And my grandparents don't speak a word of english. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoZed Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Ugh, so much arguing for nothing. Reality #1: The Habs and it's sponsors (Bell, Desjardins, McDonald, Molson) market is Montreal and the province. That market is highly predominantly French-speaking. Marketing studies have proved for decades and decades that to appeal to the provincial market, you have to give them something they identify with. Truth of the matter is: the Habs coach is the person that receives most mediatic exposure in the province. He has to speak to the medias every day. It's inconceivable that every thing the coach says has to be translated every day. Inconceivable. Reality #2: The Habs are expected to be an entry door for Quebec-born players and staff. Fans around the province, medias and politicians expect it. The team already got flack and lost fans for not drafting or signing Quebec-born players in the latest years. Getting a non-French speaking coach will be the last straw for many more fans in the province. With the economy dwindling and entertainment dollars getting more and more scarce, Bell can't afford people dropping their cable because all they wanted was to watch the Habs on RDS and now they are fed up with the team getting a coach they can't identify with. You can whine and bitch and complain and argue and say whatever you want, if you ignore those 2 realities, chances are your opinion doesnt even matter in the first place. You're not the Habs' market. They dont have to please you. So bitch away. Those who matters dont care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeLassister Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 True Kozed. A lot of posters here claimed that the Habs are not a governement establishement but a BUSINESS. Exactly. And if someone thinks that a business can ignore his public and still make profits and be appreciated, this person clearly doesn't know much about a business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrhabs Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 All this talk makes me sick... All talk, no action and no balls for the past 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted March 22, 2009 Share Posted March 22, 2009 True Kozed. A lot of posters here claimed that the Habs are not a governement establishement but a BUSINESS. Exactly. And if someone thinks that a business can ignore his public and still make profits and be appreciated, this person clearly doesn't know much about a business. They wouldn't lose a single dollar if they hired a coach who can't speak french. If you can't see how pathetic we look when this is so important, there's no point in going further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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