Habsfan89 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 4:04 PM, tomh009 said: Gorton has done it before. Byron might not have much value, and Price might be impossible to trade, but Petry, Gallagher, Chiarot, Armia, Hoffman, Anderson and Toffoli all have potential to bring a good return. I don't think Price is impossible to trade. If we plan on rebuilding he has 4 years left after this year on his contract. So if we eat about 5.5mil of his contract it will come off the books right when our rebuild should be done. Price at 4.5mil a year would be more tradeable then Price at 10mil a year. So for example To Edmonton Price at 4.5mil To Montreal Eating 5.5mil plus a 1st round pick and 2nd round pick for taking back that much of his contract. And Koskinen. But it all depends on Price wanting to leave and wave his NTC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Habsfan89 said: I don't think Price is impossible to trade. If we plan on rebuilding he has 4 years left after this year on his contract. So if we eat about 5.5mil of his contract it will come off the books right when our rebuild should be done. Price at 4.5mil a year would be more tradeable then Price at 10mil a year. So for example To Edmonton Price at 4.5mil To Montreal Eating 5.5mil plus a 1st round pick and 2nd round pick for taking back that much of his contract. And Koskinen. But it all depends on Price wanting to leave and wave his NTC. Slight adjustment on the $$$ ... most Habs can eat is 50% or $5.25 of the AAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsfan89 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Slight adjustment on the $$$ ... most Habs can eat is 50% or $5.25 of the AAV Something but point is he's tradeable. When he comes back this year it's should be to show case him to trade him at the draft or in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Habsfan89 said: Something but point is he's tradeable. When he comes back this year it's should be to show case him to trade him at the draft or in the summer. Agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 So we trade Price but retain 50% of his salary, so $5.25 million? We sign a middling goaltender for $5.25 million. Now we are paying $10.5 million for a middling goaltender... Might as well keep Price! Retaining that much salary is crazy - and makes no sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 minute ago, titanfan said: So we trade Price but retain 50% of his salary, so $5.25 million? We sign a middling goaltender for $5.25 million. Now we are paying $10.5 million for a middling goaltender... Might as well keep Price! Retaining that much salary is crazy - and makes no sense. 100% agree, retaining that much salary makes zero sense. If you have to retain that much salary then you might as well keep Price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, titanfan said: So we trade Price but retain 50% of his salary, so $5.25 million? We sign a middling goaltender for $5.25 million. Now we are paying $10.5 million for a middling goaltender... Might as well keep Price! Retaining that much salary is crazy - and makes no sense. 24 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: 100% agree, retaining that much salary makes zero sense. If you have to retain that much salary then you might as well keep Price. For at least a couple of years the Habs don't need an average (in AAV terms) NHL goaltender ... a 50% retained trade frees up some cap space for the initial years of the rebuild, giving them "time and space" while they make moves to dispose of some other contracts ... the "yield" also plays a big part in the viability of a trade ... if the return is legit top half of the roster prospects/youngsters they displace older, more expensive players which also helps cap-wise ... it is a much more complex equation than suggested ... but it would obviously be better to retain less than 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, GHT120 said: For at least a couple of years the Habs don't need an average (in AAV terms) NHL goaltender ... a 50% retained trade frees up some cap space for the initial years of the rebuild, giving them "time and space" while they make moves to dispose of some other contracts ... the "yield" also plays a big part in the viability of a trade ... if the return is legit top half of the roster prospects/youngsters they displace older, more expensive players which also helps cap-wise ... it is a much more complex equation than suggested ... but it would obviously be better to retain less than 50%. I get what you are saying. If you are going eat 50% of his salary (5.25M) for 4 years than the return better be substantial because 4 years is a long time to pay for someone to play for someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I get what you are saying. If you are going eat 50% of his salary (5.25M) for 4 years than the return better be substantial because 4 years is a long time to pay for someone to play for someone else. True ... but there is also that if Carey plays like PRICE he could set back the rebuild in draft positioning terms for a couple of those years ... it isn't an easy decision either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: True ... but there is also that if Carey plays like PRICE he could set back the rebuild in draft positioning terms for a couple of those years ... it isn't an easy decision either way. In that case we'll make him the backup! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, titanfan said: So we trade Price but retain 50% of his salary, so $5.25 million? We sign a middling goaltender for $5.25 million. Now we are paying $10.5 million for a middling goaltender... Might as well keep Price! Retaining that much salary is crazy - and makes no sense. Yup any capable starter is going to cost at least 5 millon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, Commandant said: Yup any capable starter is going to cost at least 5 millon. Who wants a capable starter to begin a rebuild? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 38 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Who wants a capable starter to begin a rebuild? I dont like my youngsters getting kicked in the teeth every night. That creates the sabres. Price also has 4 years left. If it takes four years before we need a capable starting goalie... we have done something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, Commandant said: I dont like my youngsters getting kicked in the teeth every night. That creates the sabres. True, if you stay down for too long you create a losing culture. Nothing wrong with a rebuild but you have to be careful how long it goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanfan Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: For at least a couple of years the Habs don't need an average (in AAV terms) NHL goaltender ... a 50% retained trade frees up some cap space for the initial years of the rebuild, giving them "time and space" while they make moves to dispose of some other contracts ... the "yield" also plays a big part in the viability of a trade ... if the return is legit top half of the roster prospects/youngsters they displace older, more expensive players which also helps cap-wise ... it is a much more complex equation than suggested ... but it would obviously be better to retain less than 50%. Totally disagree. And it is simple math. The reason to trade Price is to 'free up' cap space. If we retain $5.25 million we have retained ZERO cap space as we will have to ay another goaltender at least $5.25 million. It is NET ZERO! So unless you can find a Number one NHL netminder for under $5.25 million a year for the next 4 years you have saved ZERO. Realistically, you'd need to find one under $3 million a season to make it even remotely worthwhile. That or retain no more than $2 million of Price's salary. I understand that in a lot of people's minds we need to trade Price to save cap space. I don't disagree. But retaining major salary defeats the entire purpose.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: Who wants a capable starter to begin a rebuild? Sorry, but i would always want a capable goalie, no matter state of skaters. Not a high priced one nor would trade for a top notch one if in a rebuild obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 9 hours ago, titanfan said: So we trade Price but retain 50% of his salary, so $5.25 million? We sign a middling goaltender for $5.25 million. Now we are paying $10.5 million for a middling goaltender... Might as well keep Price! Retaining that much salary is crazy - and makes no sense. The bigger part of the proposed trade is getting the 2 picks. Same AAV, plus 2 picks. Part of me thinks it's smart trade, but also thinks $5.25m Price is worth more than a 1st and a 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: The bigger part of the proposed trade is getting the 2 picks. Same AAV, plus 2 picks. Part of me thinks it's smart trade, but also thinks $5.25m Price is worth more than a 1st and a 2nd. True, you are not saving any salary cap space by taking on 1/2 his cap hit so you need an excellent return. You are basically trading cap space for picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: The bigger part of the proposed trade is getting the 2 picks. Same AAV, plus 2 picks. Part of me thinks it's smart trade, but also thinks $5.25m Price is worth more than a 1st and a 2nd. And retaining roughly $20M in salary is worth more than a first and a second based on prior trades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 11, 2021 Share Posted December 11, 2021 I suspect that Price will be, if not impossible to trade, then so difficult as to make it scarcely worthwhile. Our focus should be on drafting/developing his successor, relying on Price + patchup G until he retires, and then hang his number from the rafters for an august 20-year career in the bleu, blanc, et rouge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I suspect that Price will be, if not impossible to trade, then so difficult as to make it scarcely worthwhile. Our focus should be on drafting/developing his successor, relying on Price + patchup G until he retires, and then hang his number from the rafters for an august 20-year career in the bleu, blanc, et rouge. The "problem" is that if Carey is PRICE then the last thing the Habs need is him in goal for the rest of this year and next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: The "problem" is that if Carey is PRICE then the last thing the Habs need is him in goal for the rest of this year and next season. He hasn’t had an elite regular season in years. Plus he is frequently injured. Relax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: He hasn’t had an elite regular season in years. Plus he is frequently injured. Relax. When they are looking to win and depend on him to to do he has been bad 3 out of the last 4 seasons ... if management is looking to lose who knows what he might do. To be serious for a minute ... it is impossible to know at this point how having resolved whatever specific issue he dealt with in the NHL Program will impact Price's play ... could be positive ... could be negative ... only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Per Friedman in the Marek/Freidman podcast, the Habs are very interested in adding multiple women to executive positions on the hockey side, though maybe not the GM role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Commandant said: Per Friedman in the Marek/Freidman podcast, the Habs are very interested in adding multiple women to executive positions on the hockey side, though maybe not the GM role. That's great, although I hope it's not just a knee-jerk PR reaction to the Mailloux debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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