dlbalr Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Unconfirmed as of yet but it appears forward Luca Ciampini will be attending the Habs' upcoming rookie camp...if there is one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs27 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I will start this by saying I have zero sources, and I know we have a logjam on d, but one " insider" I follow on twitter has been talking about Montreal and Chicago doing a trade something like Hjalmarsson to habs for bourque Diaz and some picks And I have not watched hjal play much so I looked his stats up and at first I felt that's a lot to give up for a d who only got 15 points last season. But then I compared his stats to gorges and they are quite similar and I sure like the way gorges plays and I feel having another mostly 5 on 5 and pk specialist would really stabilize our d. So I think I would do this trade. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoloCup Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I will start this by saying I have zero sources, and I know we have a logjam on d, but one " insider" I follow on twitter has been talking about Montreal and Chicago doing a trade something like Hjalmarsson to habs for bourque Diaz and some picks And I have not watched hjal play much so I looked his stats up and at first I felt that's a lot to give up for a d who only got 15 points last season. But then I compared his stats to gorges and they are quite similar and I sure like the way gorges plays and I feel having another mostly 5 on 5 and pk specialist would really stabilize our d. So I think I would do this trade. What do you guys think? Saw a previous rumor on this over a month ago but it was Pleks goin to Chicago. If we can get a top 6 fwd or top 4 D for spare parts - no offence Bourque or Diaz I'd do it but can't see Chicago doin it unless the picks are high which I wouldn't do with expectations of still finishing bottom 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForumGhost Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 As unpopular as Bourque is right now, we can't give him up without another top-9 forwards coming back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSoloCup Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Guess that depends which Bourque we are giving up - if its the one who was on pace for 10 goals last year and looked beyond lazy on most nights I'd give him away just to clear the cap space for the next 4 years Gallagher should be able to net 10 goals and is 1/4 the price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The Hjalmarsson deal has been floating for a while and it's no secret that Chicago has been trying to trade him. The reason people assume Montreal is the destination is the Bergevin factor. The problem is that Chicago has plenty of wingers and are in desperate need of a center. Hjalmarsson to Montreal does not accomplish this and it just increases our D logjam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted August 30, 2012 Share Posted August 30, 2012 If there is indeed a lockout, Max Pacioretty may be suiting up in Switzerland. His representatives have reportedly been in contact with EV Zug, the same team in the NLA that Raphael Diaz played for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 More tidbits: - Tomas Plekanec may suit up for Kladno if there is a lockout, Pacioretty to EV Zug is all but done from the sounds of it (again if there's a lockout). - On the prospect side, Charles Sarault, a potential linemate of Galchenyuk in Sarnia this year, has reportedly accepted an invite to rookie camp...if there is one...which there likely won't be (it would run the 18th through the 21st). That would be the third confirmed invite (the others being Brendan Ranford and Luca Ciampini). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 More tidbits: - Tomas Plekanec may suit up for Kladno if there is a lockout, Pacioretty to EV Zug is all but done from the sounds of it (again if there's a lockout). - On the prospect side, Charles Sarault, a potential linemate of Galchenyuk in Sarnia this year, has reportedly accepted an invite to rookie camp...if there is one...which there likely won't be (it would run the 18th through the 21st). That would be the third confirmed invite (the others being Brendan Ranford and Luca Ciampini). Sarault and Ranford seem intriguing, skilled kids, what would be the negative to signing them even without rookie camp? (Not fond of "Lazy" tag for Ciampini) Couldnt Elmer Benning-(HabsWest scout) just follow Kamloops pre-season, and same for Alvin Backus/Frank Jay for Sarnia-Sarault? I know not so simple and must be a limit on junior's given pro-contracts? Do they count towards the 50 max. contracts? Seems funny that size always comes up as a negative when prospect only 5'10"-180lb, but not when turn out like a 5'10" 160lber like Giroux did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 Sarault and Ranford seem intriguing, skilled kids, what would be the negative to signing them even without rookie camp? (Not fond of "Lazy" tag for Ciampini) Couldnt Elmer Benning-(HabsWest scout) just follow Kamloops pre-season, and same for Alvin Backus/Frank Jay for Sarnia-Sarault? I know not so simple and must be a limit on junior's given pro-contracts? Do they count towards the 50 max. contracts? As long as the player is junior eligible, he can 'slide' off the limit of 50, however, it would come into play the following year or whenever the player turns pro. That's why the Habs remain stuck with Mayer for another year and Lefebvre for two more years, both were players who signed while still having junior eligibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 4, 2012 Share Posted September 4, 2012 If the player still has regular junior eligibility (not overage), you can't sign him once he's sent back to junior (he goes into the draft). So if camp is cancelled I don't think we can sign Campiani or Sarault. Ranford would be an overager if he goes back to junior so we could sign him anytime (ala when we signed Alain Berger). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted September 5, 2012 Share Posted September 5, 2012 If the player still has regular junior eligibility (not overage), you can't sign him once he's sent back to junior (he goes into the draft). So if camp is cancelled I don't think we can sign Campiani or Sarault. Ranford would be an overager if he goes back to junior so we could sign him anytime (ala when we signed Alain Berger). I am not sure you have captured the situation quite right. Normally we would be looking at overagers for depth at the ECHL and AHL levels. I think you can sign anyone you want provided they have come through one draft. The bottom line is that neither one of those two are going to make the NHL roster and they will have to remain in junior. I don't see what having a camp or not has anything to do with anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 I am not sure you have captured the situation quite right. Normally we would be looking at overagers for depth at the ECHL and AHL levels. I think you can sign anyone you want provided they have come through one draft. The bottom line is that neither one of those two are going to make the NHL roster and they will have to remain in junior. I don't see what having a camp or not has anything to do with anything. A junior aged player who passes through the draft may be signed by any club during the summer. However, once said junior aged player is returned to their junior club, they go back into the draft pool, and can not be signed, they must be drafted. This is why we have draft re-entries, such as Tanner Pearson, Alexandre Mallet, and a few others. If you could just sign them at any time, there is no way that Pearson would have stayed unsigned after the start to the OHL season that he had. He became a big time prospect and was even drafted in the first round. This is a player who was undrafted twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Commandant: I don't have the CBA in my hand and I know you have said earlier that you work in a legal office, so my expectations are that you have a better handle on it than me. Technically, I believe we are still in summer mode even though i know that the juniors are playing exibition games now. We understand why, we would not want to disrupt the junior teams, any more than the ten game window during the opening of the season, while they are playing. What is to stop a team from offering gainful employment to a junior with still junior eligibility after he has completed the season, thus adverting the draft. I will declare, I am not a lawyer. However if there is something in the CBA that prevents a signing (negotiating gainful employment) in the off-season, it could be challenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 6, 2012 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Commandant: I don't have the CBA in my hand and I know you have said earlier that you work in a legal office, so my expectations are that you have a better handle on it than me. Technically, I believe we are still in summer mode even though i know that the juniors are playing exibition games now. We understand why, we would not want to disrupt the junior teams, any more than the ten game window during the opening of the season, while they are playing. What is to stop a team from offering gainful employment to a junior with still junior eligibility after he has completed the season, thus adverting the draft. I will declare, I am not a lawyer. However if there is something in the CBA that prevents a signing (negotiating gainful employment) in the off-season, it could be challenged. A player has a window where he can sign.... that is the summer. Once he is returned to his junior team he becomes draft eligible again.... just like all other junior aged players who are 18 years old. As for preventing from gainful employment goes, that is not the case in this situation. The player has signed a contract (or player card) before he can be eligible to play in the CHL. He can't play in the NHL until the following season... so making him wait through the draft is not seen as a restriction on his employment. No more so than it is for any junior aged player. If you are playing major junior you must pass through the draft undrafted 2 or 3 times (depending on birthdate) before you are a full free agent. However after each time you pass through the draft you do have the limited summer window in which you can sign a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Thanx Commandant: Just as a follow-up question if you don't mind. I expect that juniors our deemed amateur. How do we get away with putting pros back into amateur specifically in regards to the ten game window? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 Thanx Commandant: Just as a follow-up question if you don't mind. I expect that juniors our deemed amateur. How do we get away with putting pros back into amateur specifically in regards to the ten game window? Deemed Amateur according to who? The NCAA doesn't deem them amateurs, they deem it a semi-pro league because some of the players in it are signed to pro contracts and as such once you play in it you lose your NCAA eligibility. However a big thing here is the Entry-Level Slide Rule. Once you are sent back to junior you aren't getting paid and your contract slides to the next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted September 7, 2012 Share Posted September 7, 2012 The Ranford kid on Kamloops is hot in pre-season at least, so if i get it correct, Habs can offer him a deal up to when the WHL regular season starts and then would need to wait till end of playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 The Ranford kid on Kamloops is hot in pre-season at least, so if i get it correct, Habs can offer him a deal up to when the WHL regular season starts and then would need to wait till end of playoffs. I believe so. However, one wrench in the whole thing...... this is all rules from the old CBA. They may not necessarily be the same in the new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted September 8, 2012 Share Posted September 8, 2012 Deemed Amateur according to who? The NCAA doesn't deem them amateurs, they deem it a semi-pro league because some of the players in it are signed to pro contracts and as such once you play in it you lose your NCAA eligibility. However a big thing here is the Entry-Level Slide Rule. Once you are sent back to junior you aren't getting paid and your contract slides to the next season. The $50 stipend that players reportedly receive in junior is probably enough to make them semi pros in the eyes of the NCAA. I am wondering then in your mind where amateur hockey/ semi pro hockey starts and ends? If the Olympics reverted back to strictly amateurs, in the purist sense who could we trully send? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted September 8, 2012 Author Share Posted September 8, 2012 The $50 stipend that players reportedly receive in junior is probably enough to make them semi pros in the eyes of the NCAA. I am wondering then in your mind where amateur hockey/ semi pro hockey starts and ends? If the Olympics reverted back to strictly amateurs, in the purist sense who could we trully send? Probably depends on the sport. I know in football, the players do get a stipend. I believe around a thousand bucks for a school year. They recently discussed upping that to two thousand. Hockey, it would obviously be much smaller, if any. They probably do get some, though, since the schools that do have hockey do actually get people to come out to the games so they can make some money in ticket sales. A sport like volleyball, you're lucky to even get a scholarship (i.e. in men's volleyball, the team only gets four full scholarships). To be honest, the idea that any student athlete on scholarship is an amateur is pretty bogus. They're going to school free with room and board (upwards of $30,000 a semester, depending on the school), high level training in their sport for a potential professional career, a college degree if you put the time in, plus state-of-the-art health care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 It was reported last night that the league will open up a small waiver window between now and Saturday for the purposes of allowing AHL veterans to be waived, clear, and assigned to their farm teams rather than being in limbo during the lockout. If this is true, expect St-Denis, Desjardins, and Blunden to all be placed on waivers in the near future. Palushaj also would need waivers but if there is even a suspicion that he'd be claimed, Bergevin may not risk putting him through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 11, 2012 Share Posted September 11, 2012 The $50 stipend that players reportedly receive in junior is probably enough to make them semi pros in the eyes of the NCAA. I am wondering then in your mind where amateur hockey/ semi pro hockey starts and ends? If the Olympics reverted back to strictly amateurs, in the purist sense who could we trully send? The reason the NCAA calls the CHL semi-pro is because of the NHL contracts. It has nothing to do with the stipend. The CHL has explored the option of their players playing NCAA after junior was finished in the past and that is the answer the NCAA gave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You have hit on one of the reasons why the Olympics feature many professionals, and that is that nobody can agree on who is professional and/or have the wherewithall to rule on individuals status world wide. The other of course, is the added revenue stream produced by professionals. It is interesting that these same NCAA players play against the CHL players in world events. They should be ruled semipro by osmosis as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 You have hit on one of the reasons why the Olympics feature many professionals, and that is that nobody can agree on who is professional and/or have the wherewithall to rule on individuals status world wide. The other of course, is the added revenue stream produced by professionals. It is interesting that these same NCAA players play against the CHL players in world events. They should be ruled semipro by osmosis as well. The Olympics abandonned the requirements that athletes be amateur almost 25 years ago. They allowed pro hockey players (including NHLers) into the 1988 games in Calgary. Only the NHL did not shut down and only a few players were released (Jim Peplinski and Brian Bradley were two examples of players released by their NHL clubs to play in the games). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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