JoeLassister Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Wise words. We need to look 2-3 years down the line, and we won't be able to replace #79 via free agency due to cap issues. I've said for a while that Beaulieu is a very, very important player in terms of the organizational big picture, and unless we think Pateryn projects as a legit top-4 offensive defenceman, nothing seems to have changed that. hahahaha he will NEVER play 50 games with the Habs. NEVER. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 the kid just needs to grow up, I believe. we can't run him outta town because he's a 21 year old fool. the kid's going to be great, but his problem is in between his ears right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 the kid just needs to grow up, I believe. we can't run him outta town because he's a 21 year old fool. the kid's going to be great, but his problem is in between his ears right now Yup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 To be fair, he's not being given much of a shot. Part of the success MTL has had in the last three years has been due to internal competition, but this isn't an ideal system for young defensemen to prosper. He plays a few games, makes a mistake, gets sent down, comes up to sit in the press box, gets sent back down, comes up, plays a few games then gets sent down. What did even say after TB? That they sucked? Wow, couldn't tell that from the scoreboard. It's not like this guy is a young Chris Pronger at Jim Kelly's bar or Slava Voynov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 To be fair, he's not being given much of a shot. Part of the success MTL has had in the last three years has been due to internal competition, but this isn't an ideal system for young defensemen to prosper. He plays a few games, makes a mistake, gets sent down, comes up to sit in the press box, gets sent back down, comes up, plays a few games then gets sent down. What did even say after TB? That they sucked? Wow, couldn't tell that from the scoreboard. It's not like this guy is a young Chris Pronger at Jim Kelly's bar or Slava Voynov. Lol, I'd like to know what happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Lol, I'd like to know what happened Probably something completely insignificant. I bet he made a face when one of the coach was telling him something or it was his tone of voice when answering the media. Really pivotal stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I seriously doubt the Habs would send him down just for some incidental remark. Two things seem to be going on here: first, he has not been sufficiently impressive on the ice to convince Therrien that he should play regularly. Since it's his JOB to win a spot, and since he's done nothing to really nail down that spot, and since his development is best served by playing a lot, I have no problem with that. Second, he is rubbing people the wrong way - either, I'd speculate, through (unwarranted) arrogance or by projecting an attitude of not being a team player. I have no problem with sending down a bad-attitude kid either, since rewarding him for acting like an arsehole will tend to reinforce the behaviour. It's not like the team really needs him right now anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The thing to me is that if Beaulieu is getting punished, what's the story with Bournival? Funny how Nathan Beaulieu is all the whispers while Bournival has not played a single game and keeps getting these temporary AHL assignments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 The thing to me is that if Beaulieu is getting punished, what's the story with Bournival? Funny how Nathan Beaulieu is all the whispers while Bournival has not played a single game and keeps getting these temporary AHL assignments. I think with Bournival they want to avoid the stigma of demoting a full-time NHL'er from last season (since they told him to get a full-time place last year). By doing these conditioning stints (and that's really what these are), he gets to play a bit but still collect enough of an NHL salary that he won't feel completely slighted. Long-term it's not going to work but while everyone is healthy for now, it's a way to make the best of the situation. I don't expect him to have too many more of these though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 And you think is a bit more than simply conditioning for the other young fellow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 And you think is a bit more than simply conditioning for the other young fellow? Not really, the fact he's going to be recalled Sunday shows that it's a conditioning stint for him as well. The fact that he hasn't played the last few games (since the TB loss) appears to at least in part be his own doing though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 I believe the problem is the roster number. When everybody is healthy 23 players is hard to keep active. We get a couple of injuries, these guys get into lineup. We shuttle players from Hamilton in and out and nobody says anything. Traditionally you would have veterans at the end of lineup and wouldn't be so concerned about impeding their development by sitting them. Now you just got to keep moving up your kids the best you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Oh, C'mon Blue Cross...that is ridiculous! NB can't be sent down for conditioning simply because Tinordi is playing well and the Habs need a bigger physical presence in the line up?! Naw, NB must of screwed up...or....wait for it....MT is biased against French Canadian players. I mean look at what he did with Breire last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 ..talk about ridiculous!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I believe the problem is the roster number. When everybody is healthy 23 players is hard to keep active. We get a couple of injuries, these guys get into lineup. We shuttle players from Hamilton in and out and nobody says anything. Traditionally you would have veterans at the end of lineup and wouldn't be so concerned about impeding their development by sitting them. Now you just got to keep moving up your kids the best you can. I agree. This is why the Sekac signing made and makes no sense. Sekac skates like the wind, doesn't have top-6 talent, but he plays hard and hits. Wait, was I talking about Bournival/Weise?! That's right! We signed another Bournival/Wise type to shuttle three similar players down to Hamilton and sit in the press box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMAC Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Uh, Lovett? That is called depth and when one or two injuries start to pile up we will all be glad that MB made sure that we have it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueKross Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Oh, C'mon Blue Cross...that is ridiculous! NB can't be sent down for conditioning simply because Tinordi is playing well and the Habs need a bigger physical presence in the line up?! Naw, NB must of screwed up...or....wait for it....MT is biased against French Canadian players. I mean look at what he did with Breire last year Now that is RICH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I have to laugh. This kind of depth is what you WANT. It's nothing but a good thing. It creates internal competition for roster spots, which is what you want. It creates quality replacements when regulars get injured, which is what you want. Instead of being upset or scandalized that so-and-so is being sent down, we should be pleased that our team is in a position to demand only top-flight performance from its players. That's what contenders do. This isn't 2004 any more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I have to laugh. This kind of depth is what you WANT. It's nothing but a good thing. It creates internal competition for roster spots, which is what you want. It creates quality replacements when regulars get injured, which is what you want. Instead of being upset or scandalized that so-and-so is being sent down, we should be pleased that our team is in a position to demand only top-flight performance from its players. That's what contenders do. This isn't 2004 any more. More importantly, the days of letting every Matt D'Agostini/Aaron Palushaj make a roster spot is over. That said I want Bourque in the press box for the rest of the year. It's bad enough that people are making Jordan Eberle trade proposals that move Galchenyuk to center while having Rene freakin' Bourque in the top six. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 More importantly, the days of letting every Matt D'Agostini/Aaron Palushaj make a roster spot is over. That said I want Bourque in the press box for the rest of the year. It's bad enough that people are making Jordan Eberle trade proposals that move Galchenyuk to center while having Rene freakin' Bourque in the top six. Ah, René Dork. If it were me I'd be tempted to hand his spot to Weise. Couldn't do worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 "I am told the asking price the Oilers are asking from Montreal for Eberle is indeed very high...one key play in the deal would be Montreal defenseman Alexei Emelin. The original asking price had been a deal that included Tinordi"... Eklund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGC21 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 This Eberle rumour makes no sense, especially with the team at 7-1. Eklund is a nutbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Eberle? hmmm, at that asking price, no thanks..you don't sell the farm for a new tractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Just stirring things up;)... Not the guy I'd be after if we were trying to do a blockbuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 "I am told the asking price the Oilers are asking from Montreal for Eberle is indeed very high...one key play in the deal would be Montreal defenseman Alexei Emelin. The original asking price had been a deal that included Tinordi"... Eklund That one's kind of a no-brainer. Edmonton needs defencemen and the Habs would need to send a fair chunk of money back to absorb a $6 M salary. Once you work through the blueliners (Markov/Subban going nowhere, Beaulieu/Tinordi/Weaver too cheap or don't fill Edmonton's needs, Gilbert's not going back to the Oilers after getting unceremoniously dumped), Emelin's the only semi-reasonable option by default. Simple process of elimination to come up with that tidbit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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