Guest Stogey24 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I can't really see 4+ million. 3.5-4 could probably get him. I want a big top centre too, but I don't think its going to happen. Soderberg can put up 50pts and he adds size to the centre of the ice. Wouldn't mind seeing Desharnais go, if Soderberg can come in at close to the same price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm under the impression that there is zero answer to our Center needs through free agency this year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I think a skilled scoring winger would do the trick also and may be cheaper to realistically acquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm under the impression that there is zero answer to our Center needs through free agency this year... You'd be correct. Last year there was one in Paul Stastny and he signed in St. Louis for $7M per season only to underachieve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KoRP Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I think a skilled scoring winger would do the trick also and may be cheaper to realistically acquire. I agree Don, the price of a Kesler or something of the like, to compete with the Toews and Crosbys in a playoff situation, that "big" center, is just too high... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If Soderberg has value for us, it's not as a Blockbuster Acquisition. Rather, his value would reside in the opportunities it opens up for our FW configuration. E.g., he could be a modest but perhaps salient upgrade on Desharnais. He is less of an offensive catalyst than DD, but then again DD is ineffective in the playoffs and also a less complete player than Soderberg. We could then shift Desharnais to the wing if we wanted (assuming cap room; otherwise you move DD out). Conversely, he could allow us to ship out Plekanec without suffering too massive a drop-off in terms of two-way C, Soderberg representing a sort of middle ground between Pleks's excellence and Eller's mediocrity. The point of this would be to leverage Pleks in a deal to get back a scoring winger. I'm not trying to campaign for a Soderberg signing. But I don't think it would be foolishness either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Plekanec had 26 goals and 60 points with scoring down league wide. Soderberg, Eller and Desharnais combined was 119 points, which is only double of Plekanec. None of them are going to score 20 goals on their own. I think we're having "I just want to see something new" syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbhatt Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I agree with those saying that the center we need is not available this year through free agency. I'd rather see MB dump a few bad salaries and roll the dice signing Radulov (RW, offensive weapon...and don't have to lose talent to get him) than get a stop-gap center out of desperatoin. Plekanec had 26 goals and 60 points with scoring down league wide. People seem to undervalue him. Imagine he played with a serious goal-scorer regularilly...his stats would be much harder to overlook. Still pisses me off that we didn't land Jagr 2 seasons ago...he and Plex would have put up some good numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 id throw 7.5 million at radulov and dump the nesscessary salary to get under the cap I agree with those saying that the center we need is not available this year through free agency. I'd rather see MB dump a few bad salaries and roll the dice signing Radulov (RW, offensive weapon...and don't have to lose talent to get him) than get a stop-gap center out of desperatoin. People seem to undervalue him. Imagine he played with a serious goal-scorer regularilly...his stats would be much harder to overlook. Still pisses me off that we didn't land Jagr 2 seasons ago...he and Plex would have put up some good numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Plekanec had 26 goals and 60 points with scoring down league wide. Soderberg, Eller and Desharnais combined was 119 points, which is only double of Plekanec. None of them are going to score 20 goals on their own. I think we're having "I just want to see something new" syndrome. Soderberg put up 48pts in 2013-2014 and 44 in 2014-2015 on a legit 3rd line in Boston. He's 6'3 and has speed, how is that just wanting something new. He's an upgrade on all of the centres(not so much faceoff%) on this team besides Plekanec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Soderberg put up 48pts in 2013-2014 and 44 in 2014-2015 on a legit 3rd line in Boston. He's 6'3 and has speed, how is that just wanting something new. He's an upgrade on all of the centres on this team besides Plekanec. Yeah. On reflection, I think I was off-base to suggest above that acquiring Soderberg would make it possible to move Pleks. Even if we accept that Plekanec's output last year was on the high side and that Soderberg has potential to put up more points than he hitherto has, the fact remains that DD-Soderberg is just not acceptable as a 1-2 punch down the middle. That means the case for acquiring Soderberg has to rest on his being an upgrade on Desharnais. Which he probably is, especially when you consider DD's inability to produce in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Yeah. On reflection, I think I was off-base to suggest above that acquiring Soderberg would make it possible to move Pleks. Even if we accept that Plekanec's output last year was on the high side and that Soderberg has potential to put up more points than he hitherto has, the fact remains that DD-Soderberg is just not acceptable as a 1-2 punch down the middle. That means the case for acquiring Soderberg has to rest on his being an upgrade on Desharnais. Which he probably is, especially when you consider DD's inability to produce in the playoffs. Obviously all speculation, but I get the feeling Desharnais is going to be moved. I'd be very interested to see what he'd fetch in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Yeah. On reflection, I think I was off-base to suggest above that acquiring Soderberg would make it possible to move Pleks. Even if we accept that Plekanec's output last year was on the high side and that Soderberg has potential to put up more points than he hitherto has, the fact remains that DD-Soderberg is just not acceptable as a 1-2 punch down the middle. That means the case for acquiring Soderberg has to rest on his being an upgrade on Desharnais. Which he probably is, especially when you consider DD's inability to produce in the playoffs. Sodenberg is probably going to want Pleks money, for less production for another 4 years minimum. He will probably get $4.5M+ on the market, which means an extra $500k for quebec penalty. IMO not worth the money. Keep in mind who he is playing behind in Boston - isn't he the #3 centre there, not #2?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Sodenberg is probably going to want Pleks money, for less production for another 4 years minimum. He will probably get $4.5M+ on the market, which means an extra $500k for quebec penalty. IMO not worth the money. Keep in mind who he is playing behind in Boston - isn't he the #3 centre there, not #2?? #3 center on a team that once had major depth to play him like a top six on the third line. Played a lot of top six last season due to Bruins injuries. He's in the "Benoit Pouliot" role this offseason. The guy that a team will gamble on in hopes he's more than just a third line guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Meh, Habs29 is probably right. We'd be paying perhaps $1 million more for a guy who has actually produced less offence than Desharnais. There's gotta be a more straightforward way to upgrade on DD than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stogey24 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm still on the Staal train. Price tag is just too damn high for the big Centers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I agree Don, the price of a Kesler or something of the like, to compete with the Toews and Crosbys in a playoff situation, that "big" center, is just too high...It would cost us N8, Gallagher and a first. But wouldn't that be more palatable than drooling over Carl Soderberg? Plekanec had 26 goals and 60 points with scoring down league wide. Soderberg, Eller and Desharnais combined was 119 points, which is only double of Plekanec. None of them are going to score 20 goals on their own. I think we're having "I just want to see something new" syndrome. I'll admit that.Obviously all speculation, but I get the feeling Desharnais is going to be moved. I'd be very interested to see what he'd fetch in a trade.He's worth a second round pick and a B prospect, imo.Soderberg was a winger on Boston, btw. He played on Chris Kelly's line. For most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Nyet, Soderberg was 2nd on Bruins for faceoffs, only Bergeron took more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l<OV4L3V Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Are fans really that desperate for Soderberg? We have somebody with the last name McCarron coming up in the system; absolutely 0 need to dish a big offer for a player that is far from proven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Nyet, Soderberg was 2nd on Bruins for faceoffs, only Bergeron took more. Krejci was injured a lot last year. The Bruins four centers have been Krejci/Bergeron/Kelly/Campbell for years. Spooner was playing center for periods last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 2015-16 centres will be Plekanec Eller DD Mitchell so wont really matter what kind of centre the Soderberg is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zumpano21 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 So...... I wonder if there's any whispering on the contract status for Galchenyuk, Tinordi and Beaulieu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 So...... I wonder if there's any whispering on the contract status for Galchenyuk, Tinordi and Beaulieu. Galchenyuk is a priority as determining bridge/long-term will shape a lot of their offseason plans. There's no rush for the other two to get done. But, since they've opened talks with Bournival's agent, presumably some sort of contact has been made for Tinordi/Beaulieu's deals as well. On that Galchenyuk point, the closer it gets to July 1, the more likely it seems he'd get a bridge deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICEWATER77 Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 ..not to mention that we don't have any money left, I'd say a bridge deal is a given Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted June 12, 2015 Share Posted June 12, 2015 ..not to mention that we don't have any money left, I'd say a bridge deal is a given If they can agree to terms on a long-term pact, I think they'd do it and then clear out a player or two to cover the difference in salary. I'm thinking it's a bridge deal though as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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