Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 I think there would be a few teams that would want Laine with 50% retention or bad contracts going back. Edmonton sends Campbell and a first (late first) for Laine at 50% retained Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: Laine at 25% retained for a young LD? That's not unreasonable. Laine is more attractive at 6.75M as opposed to 8.75M, I find it very hard to value Laine given the injury history and other issues. A trade could turn out great or terrible. I think teams will be interested but cautious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 9 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I think there would be a few teams that would want Laine with 50% retention or bad contracts going back. Edmonton sends Campbell and a first (late first) for Laine at 50% retained Campbell has been bought out and I think signed with Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 33 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I think there would be a few teams that would want Laine with 50% retention or bad contracts going back. Edmonton sends Campbell and a first (late first) for Laine at 50% retained Campbell has already been bought out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanpuck33 Posted July 27, 2024 Author Share Posted July 27, 2024 My prediction is that nobody makes a viable offer before the season and Laine ends up starting the season in Columbus to try and increase his value and finally moves at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Campbell has been bought out and I think signed with Detroit. 52 minutes ago, Commandant said: Campbell has already been bought out. Yep I forgot about it Thought it was a good offer too LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 45 minutes ago, Fanpuck33 said: My prediction is that nobody makes a viable offer before the season and Laine ends up starting the season in Columbus to try and increase his value and finally moves at the deadline. You could very well be right. When you look at all the players that were supposedly on the trading block, Necas, Zegras, McGroaty etc and none of them have moved yet, it makes you think teams aren't happy with the offers they are getting and are prepared to wait. Columbus can afford to wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 6 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I think there would be a few teams that would want Laine with 50% retention or bad contracts going back. So, it seems that CBJ is already using two of their retention slots, so they may not be keen on using the last one. Gallagher is clearly a non-starter for this trade but could we do Anderson/Dvorak plus a second maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 6 hours ago, tomh009 said: So, it seems that CBJ is already using two of their retention slots, so they may not be keen on using the last one. Gallagher is clearly a non-starter for this trade but could we do Anderson/Dvorak plus a second maybe? Not sure CBJ would want Dvorak, being injury prone the last few years himself. At least Anderson they would get games out of, but they would have to hope the quality of those games are better than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 6 hours ago, tomh009 said: So, it seems that CBJ is already using two of their retention slots, so they may not be keen on using the last one. Gallagher is clearly a non-starter for this trade but could we do Anderson/Dvorak plus a second maybe? Hadn't considered Columbus existing retention slots used and the fact they have already used two spots seems like a big deal. You would think that an offer without retention would be more attractive than an offer with retention at this point for Columbus. I can see Dvorak because he has only one season left but he certainly isn’t a player they want for their roster. I think Fanpuck might be right that Columbus keeps Laine because of poor offers. Hoping that he scores a bunch then trade him at deadline for a decent return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 8 hours ago, tomh009 said: So, it seems that CBJ is already using two of their retention slots, so they may not be keen on using the last one. Gallagher is clearly a non-starter for this trade but could we do Anderson/Dvorak plus a second maybe? Given that Laine has two years left, I wouldn't do Dvorak who only has one year left, especially not if we are adding a pick and taking on this full contract for 2025-26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 29 minutes ago, Commandant said: Given that Laine has two years left, I wouldn't do Dvorak who only has one year left, especially not if we are adding a pick and taking on this full contract for 2025-26 Anderson seems the best fit from a contract point of view ($16.5M over three years vs $17.4M over two for Laine) but would Columbus want him, even with a sweetener? Otherwise I really don't see how the Habs could get a deal done unless CBJ are willing to use their remaining retention slot (the other two also have two years remaining). Edit: I misread Puckpedia, those are actually two buyouts, not retention slots, so I think retention is probably not a problem for CBJ if the deal works otherwise. My apologies, I need to get used to Puckpedia! 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 How about one of Harris/Struble/Barron, a 2nd round and 3rd round pick and Columbus retains 40%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: How about one of Harris/Struble/Barron, a 2nd round and 3rd round pick and Columbus retains 40%? I think its too much. I don't think Laine is in high demand and I think Columbus is looking at getting him off the books. Harris and a 3rd would be enough IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 27, 2024 Share Posted July 27, 2024 49 minutes ago, Commandant said: Harris and a 3rd would be enough IMO. I would do that in a heartbeat with Columbus retaining 40%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 23 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I would do that in a heartbeat with Columbus retaining 40%. How much does Laine's contract matter, within the context of the Habs' current salary structure? We're talking two years. I see Laine as a bridge to the Habs' contention window, so I don't see us in the UFA market until then anyway. If we have the cap space, do we really need to insist on Columbus retaining so much salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 6 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: How much does Laine's contract matter, within the context of the Habs' current salary structure? We're talking two years. I see Laine as a bridge to the Habs' contention window, so I don't see us in the UFA market until then anyway. If we have the cap space, do we really need to insist on Columbus retaining so much salary? Great point Habs are likely unique bidders for Laine because we don’t need cap retention. Contenders that are interested would need money going back/retention. If Laine is available for cheap then I hope Hughes does it. He is a perfect bridge to contention years and if he fits well, then he could help with cup drive too. If Laine flops then we say goodbye in two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: How much does Laine's contract matter, within the context of the Habs' current salary structure? We're talking two years. I see Laine as a bridge to the Habs' contention window, so I don't see us in the UFA market until then anyway. If we have the cap space, do we really need to insist on Columbus retaining so much salary? Cap space matters a lot. You have to use it wisely. Sure the Habs can likely use most of it on Laine (8.75M) but then it gives you less flexibility in other areas. There may be other opportunities that come up. I remember a few years back people on this board were complaining that the current Habs management had cap space during the season they weren't using which was true. Then summer came and they were able to sign Tyler Toffoli to a great contract, maybe the best free agent signing of the summer. You don't use cap space just because you have it. You also have to look at opportunity cost and what's coming down the road. If (a big if) the Habs took on the whole amount of Laine's contract then I would expect they have to give up almost nothing. I don't think Hughes wants to use 8.75M of his cap space on Laine, he would rather gives up some other pieces and have Columbus retain some salary. We will see. I have no doubt Hughes is interested as he pursued Marchessault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 5 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: How much does Laine's contract matter, within the context of the Habs' current salary structure? We're talking two years. I see Laine as a bridge to the Habs' contention window, so I don't see us in the UFA market until then anyway. If we have the cap space, do we really need to insist on Columbus retaining so much salary? Thats my thought as well. I think the main incentive is to try and at up Dach with for success, by giving him and elite winger without breaking up our top line. Next year we may want to chase a UFA, in which case Laine's contract may be an issue. But any IFA will chase will require an overpay. I'd rather see if we can get Laine at a discount. If he has success, he may be willing to sign long term for a better deal than a UFA will cost us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 5 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Cap space matters a lot. You have to use it wisely. Sure the Habs can likely use most of it on Laine (8.75M) but then it gives you less flexibility in other areas. There may be other opportunities that come up. I remember a few years back people on this board were complaining that the current Habs management had cap space during the season they weren't using which was true. Then summer came and they were able to sign Tyler Toffoli to a great contract, maybe the best free agent signing of the summer. You don't use cap space just because you have it. You also have to look at opportunity cost and what's coming down the road. If (a big if) the Habs took on the whole amount of Laine's contract then I would expect they have to give up almost nothing. I don't think Hughes wants to use 8.75M of his cap space on Laine, he would rather gives up some other pieces and have Columbus retain some salary. We will see. I have no doubt Hughes is interested as he pursued Marchessault. We are not making the playoffs next year anyways, so I don't see it as a big deal. It's not like the year where we were a playoff time and MB picked up garbage like Ott at the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 28, 2024 Share Posted July 28, 2024 15 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: We are not making the playoffs next year anyways, so I don't see it as a big deal. It's not like the year where we were a playoff time and MB picked up garbage like Ott at the deadline. I just think it's better to use some draft picks and have Columbus retain for a couple years than pay the whole shot of 8.7M for 2 years. If it was just for 1 year I might think differently. After next year Slafs new contact will kick in so they may not have a whole lot of extra money to throw around. Not sure Ott has relevance here. I don't think he cost the Habs much. I guess you don't want to miss an opportunity to take a shot at a former GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 29, 2024 Share Posted July 29, 2024 30 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: After next year Slafs new contact will kick in so they may not have a whole lot of extra money to throw around. After 24/25, Dvorak and Armia are off the books ... combined $250K more AAV than Slaf's new deal ... factor in expected cap increases and I don't think HuGo face cap issues because of Slaf's new contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted July 29, 2024 Share Posted July 29, 2024 30 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I just think it's better to use some draft picks and have Columbus retain for a couple years than pay the whole shot of 8.7M for 2 years. The unknown is how much it would "cost" to get CBJ to retain salary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 29, 2024 Share Posted July 29, 2024 1 minute ago, GHT120 said: After 24/25, Dvorak and Armia are off the books ... combined $250K more AAV than Slaf's new deal ... factor in expected cap increases and I don't think HuGo face cap issues because of Slaf's new contract. They should be Ok but if you add Laine's full contract and increases for some of the young D then it might get a little tight. I have no problem seriously pursuing Laine, would just prefer Columbus retain some salary to give the Habs more flexibility. I realize it will cost more assets if they retain but the Habs have a ton of extra picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted July 29, 2024 Share Posted July 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, GHT120 said: The unknown is how much it would "cost" to get CBJ to retain salary? Of course. Commandant thinks Harris and a 3rd is sufficient at 40% retention. I would be happy to pay that price to take a chance on Laine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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