Commandant Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 2 hours ago, TurdBurglar said: Evans at $3.4m will be an over-payment unless he cements himself as a 3rd line center, which won't be on a good team. Somebody will probably pay him that, and probably will regret it. The way Evans is playing, he would be a number 3 on a good team. Hes also playing more minutes than Dvorak, so Id call that #3, no matter how reporters list the lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 1 minute ago, Commandant said: The way Evans is playing, he would be a number 3 on a good team. But it is rarely a good idea to base a signing/extension (or a trade for that matter) on a 28 yr-old, 6th year veteran having a career season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 Just now, GHT120 said: But it is rarely a good idea to base a signing/extension (or a trade for that matter) on a 28 yr-old, 6th year veteran having a career season. Id say this isnt the only season he has played well enough to be a number 3 though. His defensive game and PK ability also have value. As always the issue is cost and term. There is a point hes affordable and a point hes not but Id have no issue giving him 3rd line money and that spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted December 28, 2024 Share Posted December 28, 2024 (edited) There comes a point where you have to pay players to stay on your team. I don’t want to throw a large number at Evans either but I’m sure he’ll earn what he’s paid. It’s not like he’ll be a point per game player but the effort and output will be there. It’s easy to say trade x and replace x, but often times x doesn’t adequately get replaced. Edited December 28, 2024 by xXx..CK..xXx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 2 hours ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: There comes a point where you have to pay players to stay on your team. I don’t want to throw a large number at Evans either but I’m sure he’ll earn what he’s paid. It’s not like he’ll be a point per game player but the effort and output will be there. It’s easy to say trade x and replace x, but often times x doesn’t adequately get replaced. But you also can only pay players what they are worth ... using Evans as the example, unless they are convinced he can be the 3C they can't afford to pay him 3C money ... it isn't that he might not earn his money, but the impact that overpaying for the 8/9 through 12 spots up front, and 4 through 6 spots on the back-end, can have on the ability to add/retain top players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 As always guys, it’s a balance. You have to decide Matheson, Evans, Armia…. There is a cascade effect with the Cap when you decide you want to sign a player with large $$ involved. You can have Matheson but that means not signing the other two if you want to keep Laine or Dach. You can sign Evans, but that means Armia and Matheson are out etc and so on. Armia maybe won’t break the bank, so you got wiggle room, but do you want to sign him again and have him play Where’s Waldo on the scorecard the next few years ? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Are these players going to sign tradable contracts ? Money and term and no partial no trade lists that will handcuff us. We may need to move them out for the cap space. Are they going to be on the team in 2027-2030 during our first portion of the window ? We may like what they bring to the table now and may want them to fill specialized roles, but at what expense ? Not being able to keep players three years from now who fill meatier roles ? Evans is great. I hope he/we can agree to an equally beneficial deal. If not, thank you for the trade value you may bring. Armia isn’t going to get us much… maybe a 4th. Matheson will get us some good assets… I think we trade him at any point we feel he gets us the most in trade value. We have to think of what is best for the team 2027-30… not what is best for the team in 2025-26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 14 hours ago, GHT120 said: But you also can only pay players what they are worth... Which player might fill Evans role, at what cost? Dont think is an internal replacement. Armia/Savard good role players but seem much more easily replaceable. Heineman with his checking & skating, might be a good PK guy down the road, same as Beck, but not likely next year. Kapanen played a bit in his 12 games, but really only 3 NHL rookies playing on the PK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalhabs Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 Could Evans become Danault 2.0? If thats the case then resign him 5 years 3,5-4M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 14 minutes ago, Dalhabs said: Could Evans become Danault 2.0? If thats the case then resign him 5 years 3,5-4M. That is certainly what Evans' agent is selling ... but likely at $4+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 1 hour ago, DON said: Which player might fill Evans role, at what cost? Dont think is an internal replacement. Armia/Savard good role players but seem much more easily replaceable. Heineman with his checking & skating, might be a good PK guy down the road, same as Beck, but not likely next year. Kapanen played a bit in his 12 games, but really only 3 NHL rookies playing on the PK. We won't agree ... I don't want Hughes to pay what will likely by market value ($$ and yrs), or at least Evans' perception of it, just to get Evans signed because they need him next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 Nothing wrong with signing Evans to 3.5-4mil a year. Even 500k more wouldn’t be a reason to get rid of him. Who are you saving that 500k for? You’re never going to build an improving team with veterans if you try to be too perfect assessing a player’s value and letting them go for a 500k difference and then replacing them with nothing. I’m not saying that one should overlook the cap for every player but Evans is a player that brings it for the team, so it’s worth a consideration. Not exactly comparable because of skill level but MB went that route with Markov and Radulov, and it was ridiculous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 49 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Nothing wrong with signing Evans to 3.5-4mil a year. Even 500k more wouldn’t be a reason to get rid of him. Who are you saving that 500k for? You’re never going to build an improving team with veterans if you try to be too perfect assessing a player’s value and letting them go for a 500k difference and then replacing them with nothing. I’m not saying that one should overlook the cap for every player but Evans is a player that brings it for the team, so it’s worth a consideration. Not exactly comparable because of skill level but MB went that route with Markov and Radulov, and it was ridiculous. I wouldn’t touch Evans at $4m. That’s 3rd line, fringe 2nd line money. Evans isn’t fringe second line. The only way I’d resign Evans to anywhere near $3.5m is for 2-3 years. That way he can be off the books when Hutson and Reinbacher are eligible to be re-signed. Only have the 3rd year on it if there’s a retention spot so he can be traded in the 3rd year if he reverts to the 4th line C that he really is. The likelihood of Evans signing a short term contract right now is almost non-existent. He wants to cash in after a season like this so he wants term and dollars, it may be his last chance to get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 3 hours ago, DON said: Which player might fill Evans role, at what cost? Dont think is an internal replacement. Armia/Savard good role players but seem much more easily replaceable. Heineman with his checking & skating, might be a good PK guy down the road, same as Beck, but not likely next year. Kapanen played a bit in his 12 games, but really only 3 NHL rookies playing on the PK. Armia, Dvorak, and Savard should be moved for whatever we can get. I'd consider keeping Armia for 2 yrs if he was willing to sign for under $1.5m - which I doubt he will. So gonzo! Evans has to deal with a lot of injury issues, but has already had a great attitude and works his tail off. With a rising cap, $3myr on a 4 yr dal for a dependable centre that works his tail off is not an overpay in term or dollars. I'd even do 2 yrs at 3.5m - let him choose between term or salary. Next year is the critical year when we should be trying to make a serious push for a wildcard spot (if all goes well, the 26/27 is when we should aim to be a solid playoff team) and I wouldn't want to take a step back next year because of growing pains we may have with Beck and Kapanan. I also don't want to risk signing a Dvorak type who doesn't always show up. Woth the guys expiring this year we only have that MB boat anchor contracts to Anderson and Gallagher- those are still overpays with the rising cap. We also have Price on LTIR for a few more years. Buy we will be dumping two horrible contracts that are still higher than what we can probably sign Evans for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 1 hour ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: Nothing wrong with signing Evans to 3.5-4mil a year. Even 500k more wouldn’t be a reason to get rid of him. Who are you saving that 500k for? You’re never going to build an improving team with veterans if you try to be too perfect assessing a player’s value and letting them go for a 500k difference and then replacing them with nothing. I’m not saying that one should overlook the cap for every player but Evans is a player that brings it for the team, so it’s worth a consideration. Not exactly comparable because of skill level but MB went that route with Markov and Radulov, and it was ridiculous. Agree. Depends on term though. I'd be trying to hold at $3m for longer term deal and $3.5m for short term. Don't forgot Slafkovsky's new deal kicks in next year a than we still need to resign Hutson while we still have Gallagher and Anderson. We may also want to resign Laine. So you can't give him what his agent will be asking, but we can double his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 16 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Agree. Depends on term though. I'd be trying to hold at $3m for longer term deal and $3.5m for short term. Don't forgot Slafkovsky's new deal kicks in next year a than we still need to resign Hutson while we still have Gallagher and Anderson. We may also want to resign Laine. So you can't give him what his agent will be asking, but we can double his salary. At the rate Evans is going, $3M or $3.5M are not going to be on the table. It's going to cost more, long-term or short-term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 Savard value from one reporter: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/latest-news/david-savards-trade-value-is-arguable “I think the Canadiens can get a conditional 2nd round pick for him. If they can eat 30-40% they can probably trade a sixth and Savard for a conditional second and a fifth. Something like that. Let’s see what happens.” - Russ Cohen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 1 hour ago, TurdBurglar said: I wouldn’t touch Evans at $4m. That’s 3rd line, fringe 2nd line money. Evans isn’t fringe second line. The only way I’d resign Evans to anywhere near $3.5m is for 2-3 years. That way he can be off the books when Hutson and Reinbacher are eligible to be re-signed. Only have the 3rd year on it if there’s a retention spot so he can be traded in the 3rd year if he reverts to the 4th line C that he really is. The likelihood of Evans signing a short term contract right now is almost non-existent. He wants to cash in after a season like this so he wants term and dollars, it may be his last chance to get it. The thought stems from your belief that Evans isn’t a third liner on a good team when in fact he may be one of the best. The following is a list which includes the current 3rd line centers from every team with more wins than losses in regulation. It includes their salary as well as their statistical output. Then at the bottom we have Dvorak and Evans. If we can get Evans for even cheaper than 3.5 or 4 mil, that’s great. What I don’t agree with is letting him go simply because 3.5 mil would be too much. The “hypothetical” salary that has been discussed was brought up by those who were saying they would get rid of him because that’s what he would request or that’s what his market value would be. When looking at the following list, there would be a plethora of teams interested in Evans and if the $ figures we have discussed are accurate, then we should attempt to keep him. NHL 3rd line centers - “Good Teams” / Winning Record Winnipeg - Adam Lowry 21 pts 37 gp (.568 ppg) = 3.25 mil Vegas - Brett Howden 18 pts 35 gp (.514 ppg) = 2.5 mil New Jersey - Eric Haula 11 pts 39 gp (.282 ppg) - 3.15 mil Washington - Lars Eller 13 pts 33 gp (.394 ppg) - 2.45 mil Minnesota - Frederick Gaudreau 15 pts 36 gp (.417 ppg) - 2.1 mil Toronto - Max Domi 13 pts 29 gp (.448 ppg) - 3.75 mil Florida - Anton Lundell 23 pts 36 gp (.639 ppg) - 5 mil Los Angeles - Phil Danault 18 pts 34 gp (.529 ppg) - 5.5 mil Edmonton - Adam Henrique 10 pts 35 gp (.286 ppg) 3 mil Carolina - Jordan Staal 14 pts 36 gp (.389 ppg) - 2.9 mil Colorado - Parker Kelly 9 pts 37 gp (.243 gp) - 825k Boston - Trent Frederic 11 pts 38 gp (.289 ppg) - 2.3 mil Tampa Bay - Nick Paul 20 pts 27 gp (.741 ppg) - 3.15 mil Vancouver - Teddy Blueger 17 pts 35 gp (.486 ppg) - 1.8 mil Dallas - Mavrik Bourque - 7 pts 29 gp (.241 ppg) - 894k Calgary - Connor Zary 20 pts 35 gp (.571 ppg) - 1.067 mil Ottawa - Shane Pinto 9 pts 27 gp (.333 ppg) - 3.75 mil Utah - Nick Bjugstad (.296 ppg) - 8 pts 27 gp - 2.1 mil Oscar Sunqvist - 5 pts 26 gp (.192 ppg) - 1.5 mil Now look at Montreal’s third and fourth liners. Montreal Christian Dvorak 11 pts 35 (.314 ppg) 4.45 mil Jake Evans - 22 pts 35 gp (.629 ppg) 1.7 mil That’s not even to begin discussing that Evans has some strong defensive capabilities on the team as well and even though his stats are indeed better this year, last year his points per game were still higher than many of those players listed and above Dvorak‘s current output this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 10 minutes ago, dlbalr said: At the rate Evans is going, $3M or $3.5M are not going to be on the table. It's going to cost more, long-term or short-term. Agree. There seems to be a lot of unrealistic wish-fulfillment on Evans. He's going to get upwards of $4 and significant term, I'd think. 6 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: The thought stems from your belief that Evans isn’t a third liner on a good team when in fact he may be one of the best. The following is a list which includes the current 3rd line centers from every team with more wins than losses in regulation. It includes their salary as well as their statistical output. Then at the bottom we have Dvorak and Evans. If we can get Evans for even cheaper than 3.5 or 4 mil, that’s great. What I don’t agree with is letting him go simply because 3.5 mil would be too much. The “hypothetical” salary that has been discussed was brought up by those who were saying they would get rid of him because that’s what he would request or that’s what his market value would be. When looking at the following list, there would be a plethora of teams interested in Evans and if the $ figures we have discussed are accurate, then we should attempt to keep him. Winnipeg - Adam Lowry 21 pts 37 gp = 3.25 mil Vegas - Brett Howden 18 pts 35 gp = 2.5 mil New Jersey - Eric Haula 11 pts 39 gp - 3.15 mil Washington - Lars Eller 13 pts 33 gp - 2.45 mil Minnesota - Frederick Gaudreau 15 pts 36 gp - 2.1 mil Toronto - Max Domi 13 pts 29 gp - 3.75 mil Florida - Anton Lundell 23 pts 36 gp - 5 mil Los Angeles - Max Danault 18 pts 34 gp - 5.5 mil Edmonton - Adam Henrique 10 pts 35 gp - 3 mil Carolina - Jordan Staal 14 pts 36 gp - 2.9 mil Colorado - Parker Kelly 9 pts 37 gp - 825k Boston - Trent Frederic 11 pts 38 go - 2.3 mil Tampa Bay - Nick Paul 20 pts 27 gp - 3.15 mil Vancouver - Teddy Blueger 17 pts 35 gp - 1.8 mil Dallas - Mavrik Bourque - 7 pts 29 gp - 894k Calgary - Connor Zary 20 pts 35 gp - 1.067 mil Ottawa - Shane Pinto 9 pts 27 gp - 3.75 mil Utah - Nick Bjugstad - 8 pts 27 gp - 2.1 mil Oscar Sunqvist - 5 pts 26 gp - 1.5 mil Now look at Montreal’s third and fourth liners. Montreal Christian Dvorak 11 pts 35 4.45 mil Jake Evans - 22 pts 35 gp The question with Evans is not whether he's worth $4+ this season. Unquestionably, he is! He's been one of our best players not named Suzuki, Caufield, or Hutson, and any team would love to have that guy. The question is whether his current run is sustainable. In his previous four seasons, he never approached this pace, and his career high is 29 points. He already has 22 and is on a 51-point pace in his contract year. Is he a late-bloomer like Danault? Or is he a 30-point player who has had a spectacular, unrepeatable contract year a age 28? That's the question HuGo need to answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: The thought stems from your belief that Evans isn’t a third liner on a good team when in fact he may be one of the best. The following is a list which includes the current 3rd line centers from every team with more wins than losses in regulation. It includes their salary as well as their statistical output. Then at the bottom we have Dvorak and Evans. If we can get Evans for even cheaper than 3.5 or 4 mil, that’s great. What I don’t agree with is letting him go simply because 3.5 mil would be too much. The “hypothetical” salary that has been discussed was brought up by those who were saying they would get rid of him because that’s what he would request or that’s what his market value would be. When looking at the following list, there would be a plethora of teams interested in Evans and if the $ figures we have discussed are accurate, then we should attempt to keep him. NHL 3rd line centers - “Good Teams” Winnipeg - Adam Lowry 21 pts 37 gp = 3.25 mil Vegas - Brett Howden 18 pts 35 gp = 2.5 mil New Jersey - Eric Haula 11 pts 39 gp - 3.15 mil Washington - Lars Eller 13 pts 33 gp - 2.45 mil Minnesota - Frederick Gaudreau 15 pts 36 gp - 2.1 mil Toronto - Max Domi 13 pts 29 gp - 3.75 mil Florida - Anton Lundell 23 pts 36 gp - 5 mil Los Angeles - Max Danault 18 pts 34 gp - 5.5 mil Edmonton - Adam Henrique 10 pts 35 gp - 3 mil Carolina - Jordan Staal 14 pts 36 gp - 2.9 mil Colorado - Parker Kelly 9 pts 37 gp - 825k Boston - Trent Frederic 11 pts 38 go - 2.3 mil Tampa Bay - Nick Paul 20 pts 27 gp - 3.15 mil Vancouver - Teddy Blueger 17 pts 35 gp - 1.8 mil Dallas - Mavrik Bourque - 7 pts 29 gp - 894k Calgary - Connor Zary 20 pts 35 gp - 1.067 mil Ottawa - Shane Pinto 9 pts 27 gp - 3.75 mil Utah - Nick Bjugstad - 8 pts 27 gp - 2.1 mil Oscar Sunqvist - 5 pts 26 gp - 1.5 mil Now look at Montreal’s third and fourth liners. Montreal Christian Dvorak 11 pts 35 4.45 mil Jake Evans - 22 pts 35 gp 1.7 mil This is a 35 game sample of which he is producing at nearly twice is career average. I get what you are saying, but you’re ignoring his entire career. He’s a career 0.34PPG previous to this season. He’s currently scoring at a 0.64PPG pace. It’s not going to be sustainable. It’s rare that a player gets a sudden boost in production and sustains it. Armia’s on pace for a career year too, so you believe he’s worth more than the $3.4m he’s getting paid as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 11 minutes ago, Butterface said: Savard value from one reporter: https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/latest-news/david-savards-trade-value-is-arguable “I think the Canadiens can get a conditional 2nd round pick for him. If they can eat 30-40% they can probably trade a sixth and Savard for a conditional second and a fifth. Something like that. Let’s see what happens.” - Russ Cohen I wouldn't necessarily read much into a valuation from a prospect writer for the Canadiens' THN site; he's not a credentialed reporter. Having said that, that's not the worst one I've seen from a realism standpoint though I think the better assessment would be a straight second, not a conditional one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 Just now, TurdBurglar said: This is a 35 game sample of which he is producing at nearly twice is career average. I get what you are saying, but you’re ignoring his entire career. He’s a career 0.34PPG previous to this season. He’s currently scoring at a 0.64PPG pace. It’s not going to be sustainable. It’s rare that a player gets a sudden boost in production and sustains it. Armia’s on pace for a career year too, so you believe he’s worth more than the $3.4m he’s getting paid as well? Even if it's not sustainable (and it's clearly not), Evans was probably a $3M centre at worst heading into this season. He's a league leader in SH TOI, decent on the draw, the right handedness (RH centres get a premium), and the right age. Someone's overpaying for him even with the expected drop in production in the second half. Armia's older, streakier, and a winger so it's not quite the same comparison. But if his production holds in the second half and he's in the 35-point range, he's going to have a real shot at a small raise or another multi-year deal around that price tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 25 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: The thought stems from your belief that Evans isn’t a third liner on a good team when in fact he may be one of the best. The following is a list which includes the current 3rd line centers from every team with more wins than losses in regulation. It includes their salary as well as their statistical output. Then at the bottom we have Dvorak and Evans. If we can get Evans for even cheaper than 3.5 or 4 mil, that’s great. What I don’t agree with is letting him go simply because 3.5 mil would be too much. The “hypothetical” salary that has been discussed was brought up by those who were saying they would get rid of him because that’s what he would request or that’s what his market value would be. When looking at the following list, there would be a plethora of teams interested in Evans and if the $ figures we have discussed are accurate, then we should attempt to keep him. NHL 3rd line centers - “Good Teams” Winnipeg - Adam Lowry 21 pts 37 gp (.568 ppg) = 3.25 mil Vegas - Brett Howden 18 pts 35 gp (.514 ppg) = 2.5 mil New Jersey - Eric Haula 11 pts 39 gp (.282 ppg) - 3.15 mil Washington - Lars Eller 13 pts 33 gp (.394 ppg) - 2.45 mil Minnesota - Frederick Gaudreau 15 pts 36 gp (.417 ppg) - 2.1 mil Toronto - Max Domi 13 pts 29 gp (.448 ppg) - 3.75 mil Florida - Anton Lundell 23 pts 36 gp (.639 ppg) - 5 mil Los Angeles - Max Danault 18 pts 34 gp (.529 ppg) - 5.5 mil Edmonton - Adam Henrique 10 pts 35 gp (.286 ppg) 3 mil Carolina - Jordan Staal 14 pts 36 gp (.389 ppg) - 2.9 mil Colorado - Parker Kelly 9 pts 37 gp (.243 gp) - 825k Boston - Trent Frederic 11 pts 38 gp (.289 ppg) - 2.3 mil Tampa Bay - Nick Paul 20 pts 27 gp (.741 ppg) - 3.15 mil Vancouver - Teddy Blueger 17 pts 35 gp (.486 ppg) - 1.8 mil Dallas - Mavrik Bourque - 7 pts 29 gp (.241 ppg) - 894k Calgary - Connor Zary 20 pts 35 gp (.571 ppg) - 1.067 mil Ottawa - Shane Pinto 9 pts 27 gp (.333 ppg) - 3.75 mil Utah - Nick Bjugstad (.296 ppg) - 8 pts 27 gp - 2.1 mil Oscar Sunqvist - 5 pts 26 gp (.192 ppg) - 1.5 mil Now look at Montreal’s third and fourth liners. Montreal Christian Dvorak 11 pts 35 (.314 ppg) 4.45 mil Jake Evans - 22 pts 35 gp (.629 ppg) 1.7 mil That’s not even to begin discussing that Evans has some strong defensive capabilities on the team as well. The only 3rd liners on that list over $3.75M are Danault (who got that when signed as a 2C) and Lundell (who while 7th in TOI at even strength amongst Panther forwards is only 1:35 behind Reinhart, their top 5-on-5 TOI forward) ... at $3.75M, I think TO overpaid for Domi and Pinto is four years younger with some perceived Top 6 upside ... for me, Lowry at $3.25M is a good comparable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, GHT120 said: The only 3rd liners on that list over $3.75M are Danault (who got that when signed as a 2C) and Lundell (who while 7th in TOI at even strength amongst Panther forwards is only 1:35 behind Reinhart, their top 5-on-5 TOI forward) ... at $3.75M, I think TO overpaid for Domi and Pinto is four years younger with some perceived Top 6 upside ... for me, Lowry at $3.25M is a good comparable. Lowry left a good chunk of money on the table to stay with the Jets so he might not be the best comparable. Even if you want to use him, keep in mind that the cap equivalent of that deal today for next season (projecting a $92M cap) is $3.67 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 51 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: This is a 35 game sample of which he is producing at nearly twice is career average. I get what you are saying, but you’re ignoring his entire career. He’s a career 0.34PPG previous to this season. He’s currently scoring at a 0.64PPG pace. It’s not going to be sustainable. It’s rare that a player gets a sudden boost in production and sustains it. Armia’s on pace for a career year too, so you believe he’s worth more than the $3.4m he’s getting paid as well? Evans is at his peak right now. He should sign with a cup contending team to go for the cup again, or get term from a team starting to seriously compete in the playoffs for term. The Habs is neither. I love Evans, but I would trade him if we cannot sign him for $3.5M/2-3years up-front loaded with bonuses (to have a lower cap in his last year to trade easily if needed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 29 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said: I love Evans, but I would trade him if we cannot sign him for $3.5M/2-3years up-front loaded with bonuses (to have a lower cap in his last year to trade easily if needed) Front-loading a contract doesn't do anything from a cap perspective. The cap hit is total money divided by the number of years so whether it's $3.5M flat, front-loaded, or back-loaded, the cap hit is still $3.5M. That said, front-loading it makes it easier to trade a player in the final year as more budget conscious teams might find value in a player whose cap hit is less than salary owed so there's that at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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