Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Letting go Danault looks like a huge mistake IMO. Perhaps, his last season with the Habs he got 24 points in 53 games. I realize he is valued highly for his defensive work but 5.5 Million/year seemed like a lot to pay him at that time. I guess you could also make the argument that if they had signed him then they might not have been forced into that bad trade for Dvorak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: I don't think anyone is OK with Dvorak. I was never OK with Dvorak before he played a single game with us! Gross overpay to get him and gross overpay in cap space! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 The Danault analogy is the haunting one with Evans. Of *course* losing Danault was a mistake. That’s the danger with Evans, that we refuse to pay market value for a guy who turns out to be worth what he gets paid, and leave a big hole in our lineup that sets back the rebuild. On the other hand, Danault had back to back 50 points seasons (53 and 47) before his disastrous contract year. Evans, by contrast, is a 30-point player who has suddenly elevated his game to 50-point levels in his contract year. They’re exact opposites in that sense. I don’t see how any of us can know with confidence what Evans will be after he signs his next deal. Will he be the stud 50-point two-way ace we’re currently seeing? Or will he revert to his career norms? If HuGo get it wrong, a good segment of posters on this board will piously declaim ‘I told you so.’ But again, I see absolutely no way to be confident in our assessment at this point. It’s a real puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 12 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: The Danault analogy is the haunting one with Evans. Of *course* losing Danault was a mistake. That’s the danger with Evans, that we refuse to pay market value for a guy who turns out to be worth what he gets paid, and leave a big hole in our lineup that sets back the rebuild. On the other hand, Danault had back to back 50 points seasons (53 and 47) before his disastrous contract year. Evans, by contrast, is a 30-point player who has suddenly elevated his game to 50-point levels in his contract year. They’re exact opposites in that sense. I don’t see how any of us can know with confidence what Evans will be after he signs his next deal. Will he be the stud 50-point two-way ace we’re currently seeing? Or will he revert to his career norms? If HuGo get it wrong, a good segment of posters on this board will piously declaim ‘I told you so.’ But again, I see absolutely no way to be confident in our assessment at this point. It’s a real puzzle. Note i am not advocating paying Evans as much as Danault. Danault was a legit #2 c I believe Evans is a #3 and should be paid accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 15 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I don’t see how any of us can know with confidence what Evans will be after he signs his next deal. Will he be the stud 50-point two-way ace we’re currently seeing? Or will he revert to his career norms? If HuGo get it wrong, a good segment of posters on this board will piously declaim ‘I told you so.’ But again, I see absolutely no way to be confident in our assessment at this point. It’s a real puzzle. Yup, it is a conundrum. I think you have to look at his whole body of work. You can't just assume he has suddenly blossomed at 28. What is the price point where you walk away and say it's not worth it , 4? 4.5? I am assuming he gets at least 4 from someone unless he completely falls apart. He also has a concussion history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 22 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: On the other hand, Danault had back to back 50 points seasons (53 and 47) before his disastrous contract year. Evans, by contrast, is a 30-point player who has suddenly elevated his game to 50-point levels in his contract year. They’re exact opposites in that sense. Evans has yet to score 30 points in a season, came close with 29 one year. He will most likely do it this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 2 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Evans has yet to score 30 points in a season, came close with 29 one year. He will most likely do it this year. I am splitting hairs here, if you include this year into his overall totals, Evans has averaged 31 points per 82 games so you are correct in calling him a 30 point guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 56 minutes ago, Peter Puck said: Dvorak does start every PK but this is because every PK starts with a D-zone faceoff and he is our best FO man. He is also a pretty good PKer. But Evans is better. This makes sense because Marty uses Dvorak for faceoffs throughout the game. I knew I wasn’t crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 3 hours ago, Commandant said: Letting go Danault looks like a huge mistake IMO. Not an easy one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Danault basically seems same player he was with Habs, no? Just a few more goals & fewer assists perhaps. Oh well, i guess we shouldnt trade another similar player ever again. Danault also was looking at a last big contract and he got $5.5/yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Probably a good thing to get Savard, Armia, and Evans to leave practices early. Make the other GMs think they might have missed out on a player they may have coveted. Feeling that pit in their stomach might get them to give Kent a phone call early to make sure they secure a player before another team does. It’s called FOMO (fear of missing out). There might be some itchy trigger fingers out there. Pulling someone out of practice for no reason might set some wheels in motion. Create fear and incite panic buying. https://athlonsports.com/nhl/montreal-canadiens/canadiens-david-savard-leaves-practice-early-amid-trade-rumors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Who will play Savard's role if traded, Struble? Just cant see him being moved till end of Feb. Evans/Armia are on a hot line, same thing. Be tough message for team if ship out good players for futures this early, if have a reasonable shot at wildcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 16 hours ago, DON said: Who will play Savard's role if traded, Struble? Just cant see him being moved till end of Feb. Evans/Armia are on a hot line, same thing. Be tough message for team if ship out good players for futures this early, if have a reasonable shot at wildcard. Very good point. I think it will depend on both how close we are to the playoff bar, and how impressive the return will be. But you do have to factor in the impact on team psyche and culture, and the benefits to the rebuild of a possible playoff experience. The latter are quite real IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 17 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I think it will depend on both how close we are to the playoff bar, and how impressive the return will be. But you do have to factor in the impact on team psyche and culture, and the benefits to the rebuild of a possible playoff experience. The latter are quite real IMHO. Agreed, it would be really tough to trade Savard right now, the team is playing well, team chemistry is good, they are not far out of a playoff spot. It would send a bad message to trade him now. The return would have to be awfully good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 For Savard, it would likely be either Struble or Mailloux. I think this is not a big impact on the team. Similarly, replacing Dvorak with Beck should not hurt them significantly. Armia and Evans are more difficult at this point in time ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: For Savard, it would likely be either Struble or Mailloux. I think this is not a big impact on the team. Similarly, replacing Dvorak with Beck should not hurt them significantly. Armia and Evans are more difficult at this point in time ... Dvorak is used for many defensive zone faceoffs, again Beck would be a downgrade that Marty likely would not be find of. But Beck has looked good all-round in Laval. Mailloux cant play the PK nor defend well 5-on-5, not sure if he even blocks shots; Struble is a work in progress and playing his off-side wouldnt help one bit, but i suppose that would be best option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Seems Savard is dealing with something or Hughes is dealing with someone. 🤣🤣 https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/canadiens_provide_update_on_david_savard_after_his_sudden_departure_from_practice/s1_17452_41511816 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 24 minutes ago, DON said: Mailloux cant play the PK nor defend well 5-on-5, not sure if he even blocks shots; Struble is a work in progress and playing his off-side wouldnt help one bit, but i suppose that would be best option. Pascal Vincent has been emphasizing the defensive play for Mailloux, even taking him off the PP, and Mailloux knows that this is what he needs to work on. This is reflected in his basic stats, I think: in the 10 games in December, he took only two minor penalties, and took three or more shots on net in only three of the ten games. And he does spend at least some time on PK, but I am not aware of any AHL stats that would show his TOI on special teams. I do expect that he's making some progress in this regard but it would be great if someone has actually watched him play, or some site with analysis on his recent performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: I do expect that he's making some progress in this regard but it would be great if someone has actually watched him play, or some site with analysis on his recent performance. laval update Has THIS Montreal Canadiens Prospect Taken A Step BACK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 hour ago, DON said: laval update Has THIS Montreal Canadiens Prospect Taken A Step BACK? He seems to be tracking to his stats from last year https://www.ahltracker.com/skaters/9860 but on the last couple of game summaries I've watched (RDS' Express) he is less noticeable on the offensive zone. It seemed like he was taking less chances trying to take the puck to the net where before he ised to try that a couple of times a game. Maybe others have watched a couple of full games to give an accurate view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 21 hours ago, DON said: Who will play Savard's role if traded, Struble? Just cant see him being moved till end of Feb. Evans/Armia are on a hot line, same thing. Be tough message for team if ship out good players for futures this early, if have a reasonable shot at wildcard. They probably call up Mailloux. Right now the pair is Xhekaj - Savard. Xhekaj - Mailloux did well in Laval last year. Some of that with Struble subbing in on occasion. As for PK time, Xhekaj probably takes what Savard has been doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, DON said: laval update Has THIS Montreal Canadiens Prospect Taken A Step BACK? one of his games. Logan Mailloux With Big Night Pots 2 (24 PTs/30 GMs)/Heineman (1A)/Dobes Wins 9th of Last 12 1-24-24 Thanks. I watched the Shaun Starr video (at least the Mailloux-related bit) but did not fee like I gained any insight. Is he off the power play because he's playing poorly, or is he off the power play because Vincent wants him to focus on defence? These guys think it's bad that he was taken off the power play but it doesn't seem like they have any inside knowledge. 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: He seems to be tracking to his stats from last year https://www.ahltracker.com/skaters/9860 but on the last couple of game summaries I've watched (RDS' Express) he is less noticeable on the offensive zone. It seemed like he was taking less chances trying to take the puck to the net where before he ised to try that a couple of times a game. Maybe others have watched a couple of full games to give an accurate view Point or TOI stats aren't really useful in assessing whether his defensive game is improving. And there are no advanced stats for AHL games as far as I know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterface Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Oilers Salary Cap availability mentioned in article below. I believe Kane could be back anywhere from early Feb to late Feb… or they could fein a “setback” and pull a Kucherov. 🤣 Will see if Hughes waits for Edmonton to get a clear idea of their situation. Maybe he waits so there is a bidding war which includes Edmonton, or maybe he doesn’t want to wait and be disappointed or have Savard get injured. The clock is ticking. https://www.thefourthperiod.com/jan-2025/oilers-continue-to-explore-market-for-defenceman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 16 hours ago, tomh009 said: Point or TOI stats aren't really useful in assessing whether his defensive game is improving. And there are no advanced stats for AHL games as far as I know. Nothing for true advanced stats but there's more out there than what's publicly available (TOI, faceoffs by zone, slot shots, and a few others) so teams will have a bit more info than what we see. They require an InStat (now Hudl) subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 With the on going situation in Vancouver I’m surprised no one has brought up what we’d think it would cost to pry on of Miller or Petterson off their hands. Would love to hear what you think @Commandant Would our resident Vancouverite @The Chicoutimi Cucumber be kind enough to tell us what the talking heads out west are saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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