Lanes World Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 19 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Out of Armia, Evans, Dvorak, I would re-sign Armia if he is willing to take a pay cut - even if Armia is worth more on the market. When Armia is 100% engaged and working hard and completing plays all the way through, he is a force. I like Evans but he isn’t signing cheap just to stay in Montreal. I don’t have faith in throwing money at Evans. I like him, but not for this team right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Career earnings of $25M vs $8M to date. That's why Evans will be keen on a big contract whereas Armia can be more flexible (should he choose to be). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Good post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 10 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: I always see Nazar as the 'opportunity cost' of acquiring Dach. At this early stage I think I'd still rather have Dach, but I haven't watched Nazar. Certainly those two would represent a huge boost to the bottom end of a contending roster. Evans has gotten most of the love, but Armia has been consistently awesome this season. Losing the two of them massively compounds the depth problem on our own roster, though. Hughes will have his work cut out for him just replacing those guys, let alone supplementing them with nesseceary additions. At the time I would rather have drafted Nazar and want happy getting a guy with injury issues, when we had been plagued with injury issues for so long. After seeing Dach close out his first year and the way he played at the start of the first game in his second year I thought we had finally found a legit big top line centre, who just needed to get better on the draw. It’s starting to look like my initial reaction was probably right. Seeing Dach play centre this year, I just don’t see a guy who will thrive at the position. He just doesn’t seem to have the play making ability needed and while he shows flashes of the dangling we saw at the start of last year, it’s his decision making that has me worried. I get he probably needs a year to fully recover AND get his confidence back, but now I think at best we got a top six winger. Next year is really a make-it-break it year for him, amd a lot of other under-performers like Zegras in his draft class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 A little more smoke…Is there a fire in Dobson land? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 15 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: A little more smoke…Is there a fire in Dobson land? I don't think so. He's heading into a contract negotiation where he has the hammer and this is the deal that he can cash in on. Going to a more experienced firm in Wasserman and a lead agent who has some major clients (Moldaver has Matthews, McDavid, Werenski, and Josi, among others) makes a lot of sense when you consider his now-former agent only had one client making more than a million - him. For a major negotiation like this, a change to a more prominent agent just seems like the logical choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 16 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: A little more smoke…Is there a fire in Dobson land? 14 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I don't think so. Perhaps not from the Dobson side ... but might a potentially more difficult negotiation push Lou to be more interested in making a move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 33 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I don't think so. He's heading into a contract negotiation where he has the hammer and this is the deal that he can cash in on. Going to a more experienced firm in Wasserman and a lead agent who has some major clients (Moldaver has Matthews, McDavid, Werenski, and Josi, among others) makes a lot of sense when you consider his now-former agent only had one client making more than a million - him. For a major negotiation like this, a change to a more prominent agent just seems like the logical choice. Well the switch makes logical sense then because this contract should be a big one. 15 minutes ago, GHT120 said: Perhaps not from the Dobson side ... but might a potentially more difficult negotiation push Lou to be more interested in making a move? I do wonder if Dobson is genuinely available because of potential contract demands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 18 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I do wonder if Dobson is genuinely available because of potential contract demands He is from Summerside, PEI ... Habs tend to be the favourite team in the Maritimes ... could help the Canadiens' case a tiny bit were it to come to an extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 14 hours ago, GHT120 said: Perhaps not from the Dobson side ... but might a potentially more difficult negotiation push Lou to be more interested in making a move? I suppose it could but if the asking price is going to be so high that Lamoriello wants to trade him, I'm not sure that I'd want Montreal being the team parting with a significant return for the right to pay him a contract that was too rich for his old team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 53 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I suppose it could but if the asking price is going to be so high that Lamoriello wants to trade him, I'm not sure that I'd want Montreal being the team parting with a significant return for the right to pay him a contract that was too rich for his old team. I don’t want Hughes to pay an outrageous amount but Montreal has key players locked in for very reasonable contracts. With the salary cap increasing a fair amount, it might justify a bigger contract - higher salaries across the NHL because of the higher salary cap is likely. Maybe Lou doesn’t see it that way and “in no damn way am I paying that much to anyone” is what I imagine Lou thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 51 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Maybe Lou doesn’t see it that way and “in no damn way am I paying that much to anyone” is what I imagine Lou thinking Who might be his NHL comparables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 18 minutes ago, DON said: Who might be his NHL comparables? It’s my own opinion but he’s up there with a McAvoy, Hamilton or Bouchard. Picking them specifically because they are also right handed shooting D. Of course they all have their subtle differences but they’re all a similar level of defensemen within a given lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 6 minutes ago, xXx..CK..xXx said: It’s my own opinion but he’s up there with a McAvoy, Hamilton or Bouchard. Picking them specifically because they are also right handed shooting D. Of course they all have their subtle differences but they’re all a similar level of defensemen within a given lineup. Age and contract wise i meant. What $$ will his agent likely ask for? Bouchard likely fits i think maybe? Evan Bouchard Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats | Puckpedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 19 minutes ago, DON said: Age and contract wise i meant. What $$ will his agent likely ask for? Bouchard likely fits i think maybe? Evan Bouchard Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats | Puckpedia Bouchard is also RFA this summer. Both are getting huge raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 26 minutes ago, DON said: Age and contract wise i meant. What $$ will his agent likely ask for? Bouchard likely fits i think maybe? Evan Bouchard Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats | Puckpedia Yup, my bad in that I wasn’t talking contract but Hamilton (31) and McAvoy (27) make 9 and 9.5 million per year respectively and many expect Bouchard (25) to get around 10 million next contract. So Dobson (25) and his agent will be looking in that ballpark as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 3 hours ago, dlbalr said: I suppose it could but if the asking price is going to be so high that Lamoriello wants to trade him, I'm not sure that I'd want Montreal being the team parting with a significant return for the right to pay him a contract that was too rich for his old team. Lou can be cantankerous ... we can hope his pride/ego get the better of him. 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 2 hours ago, DON said: Who might be his NHL comparables? Looking at AFP Analytics' projections, they have his comparables as Dahlin, McAvoy, Hedman, Sergachev, and Trouba (that last one feels a little out of whack). They also have his projected contract as 8 years and $10.5M per season (11.01 CH%). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 my mind is still biased towards wanting to have a better goalie before spending so much on a defender. I know I have to change how I view the team, so: * what should be the path? We have three forwards at the top of the salary scale * should we aim to have a defender pair worth of a similar salary? * and once a group of 5 is established as the core (based on salary), should the team then focus on the goalie? If that is so, then a player like Dobson has to be signed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 1 hour ago, alfredoh2009 said: my mind is still biased towards wanting to have a better goalie before spending so much on a defender. I know I have to change how I view the team, so: * what should be the path? We have three forwards at the top of the salary scale * should we aim to have a defender pair worth of a similar salary? * and once a group of 5 is established as the core (based on salary), should the team then focus on the goalie? If that is so, then a player like Dobson has to be signed Are you thinking HuGo somehow acquire an established NHL veteran goalie or that the Habs wait until Montembeault/Primeau/Fowler/Fowler establish themselves as a high-end starter before "spending so much on a defender"? Suzuki is 72nd in AAV amongst NHL players, and that will only fall as time progresses ... if the Habs try to "Bruin-it" with an internal salary scale then Hutson is not long for the Habs nor will they ever have an elite defenceman beyond that player's pre-arbitration contracts, especially with the rising cap ceiling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 22 hours ago, GHT120 said: Are you thinking HuGo somehow acquire an established NHL veteran goalie or that the Habs wait until Montembeault/Primeau/Fowler/Fowler establish themselves as a high-end starter before "spending so much on a defender"? Suzuki is 72nd in AAV amongst NHL players, and that will only fall as time progresses ... if the Habs try to "Bruin-it" with an internal salary scale then Hutson is not long for the Habs nor will they ever have an elite defenceman beyond that player's pre-arbitration contracts, especially with the rising cap ceiling. no, it is just the way the team has been built since I started following them in 1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Lankinen has been very capable in Van. The Canucks won't re-sign him unless Demko is injured again. I could see us targeting him to be a medium-term tandem with Monty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Lankinen has been very capable in Van. The Canucks won't re-sign him unless Demko is injured again. I could see us targeting him to be a medium-term tandem with Monty. Given that Demko's knee issue clearly isn't fixed though, doesn't Vancouver have to make a real run at signing him? They have the money to pay him, especially if Boeser doesn't get an extension (and it seems to be tracking that way so far). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: Given that Demko's knee issue clearly isn't fixed though, doesn't Vancouver have to make a real run at signing him? They have the money to pay him, especially if Boeser doesn't get an extension (and it seems to be tracking that way so far). Good question. Local opinion was strongly of the view that Lankinen was a stop-gap. Maybe that's changing. Regarding Boeser, he is as good as gone - but I doubt the Canucks want to sink that cap room into G. Management has been clear that they want to improve the team within Quinn Hughes's contract window to ensure that he re-ups with Vancouver before his current deal expires in two years. In other words, they're probably going to want to sink the Boeser money into other players. That franchise has a real advanced-difficulty jigsaw puzzle, roster wise. Lucky they have excellent management - although even that may not suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 25 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Good question. Local opinion was strongly of the view that Lankinen was a stop-gap. Maybe that's changing. Regarding Boeser, he is as good as gone - but I doubt the Canucks want to sink that cap room into G. Management has been clear that they want to improve the team within Quinn Hughes's contract window to ensure that he re-ups with Vancouver before his current deal expires in two years. In other words, they're probably going to want to sink the Boeser money into other players. At the beginning of the season, sure, Lankinen was a stop-gap. Some figured he'd be on waivers at some point with Silovs staying as the backup before Silovs struggled big time. I feel like in recent weeks, the stuff I've seen from Vancouver is more about how they now have to find a way to re-sign Lankinen. Yes, it'd mean sinking a lot of money into the goalie position for a year but I don't think Lankinen's price tag is going to get too crazy and if Demko's knee problem keeps lingering, he might not cost as much to keep around as it otherwise could have been. (Or they can cut bait altogether.) To your Montreal-specific suggestion, I think the only way they'd look at something like that is if they don't think Dobes is going to be ready for a couple of years. I could see them going with a one-year veteran backup but it'd surprise me if Lankinen had to take another one-year pact this summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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