GHT120 Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 24 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Regarding Boeser, he is as good as gone - but I doubt the Canucks want to sink that cap room into G. Management has been clear that they want to improve the team within Quinn Hughes's contract window to ensure that he re-ups with Vancouver before his current deal expires in two years. In other words, they're probably going to want to sink the Boeser money into other players. That franchise has a real advanced-difficulty jigsaw puzzle, roster wise. Lucky they have excellent management - although even that may not suffice. I would say "advanced-difficulty jigsaw puzzle, roster wise" is accurate. While Boeser is not going to match last season's 40 goals but he is scoring at a 30 goal pace ... currently one goal behind team leader DeBrusk but 2 goals ahead in 82-game pace ... he is also currently 2nd in points (well behind Hughes, in a jumble with Pettersson, Garland and DeBrusk ) ... my point being that letting Boeser walk leaves a hole in the offence that needs to be filled and may make it difficult to "improve" at the same time ... so, if they aren't going to re-sign Boeser it may make sense to try to make a hockey-trade looking to the next year, not the typical deadline "futures" deal. But, with the projected cap increase, they do have $22M to spend ... 20/23 roster spots are signed for next season ... only Boeser and the 2nd goalie are significant UFA-openings to fill ... so improvements may have to be largely transactional since even Vancouver faces the "Canada" issue with free agents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/17/2025 at 4:54 AM, GHT120 said: I would say "advanced-difficulty jigsaw puzzle, roster wise" is accurate. While Boeser is not going to match last season's 40 goals but he is scoring at a 30 goal pace ... currently one goal behind team leader DeBrusk but 2 goals ahead in 82-game pace ... he is also currently 2nd in points (well behind Hughes, in a jumble with Pettersson, Garland and DeBrusk ) ... my point being that letting Boeser walk leaves a hole in the offence that needs to be filled and may make it difficult to "improve" at the same time ... so, if they aren't going to re-sign Boeser it may make sense to try to make a hockey-trade looking to the next year, not the typical deadline "futures" deal. But, with the projected cap increase, they do have $22M to spend ... 20/23 roster spots are signed for next season ... only Boeser and the 2nd goalie are significant UFA-openings to fill ... so improvements may have to be largely transactional since even Vancouver faces the "Canada" issue with free agents. Gotta resign boeser. A must. Get the deal done. Pettersen - Try to trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Sure enough Lankinen is extended. As it needed to be - so is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 8 hours ago, dreegking said: Gotta resign boeser. A must. Get the deal done. Pettersen - Try to trade. Boeser - we’ll see, but Van management is rightly concerned about term for a guy who is pretty slow already. He’s turning 29…to me that’s a high risk situation, where you end up paying huge $$$ for a guy for what he’s done rather than what he’s going to do. And if you look at his numbers, he has one 40-goal season and then a bunch of 25ish-goal years. He should be thought of as a 25-goal man, not some stud scoring winger like Caufield. Petterson - the problem is getting value back. He at least has the *potential* to be a #1C. Without him, they have one of the league’s absolute worst C configurations. Maybe their best bet is to cross their fingers that he has a good off-season and comes back with his knee strong. On the other hand, his NTC kicks in this July, so if they do that, they are stuck with him forever. Like I say…advanced difficulty. 8 hours ago, dreegking said: Sure enough Lankinen is extended. As it needed to be - so is. Good decision. Once Demko went down again, I suppose it became inevitable. He was a brilliant acquisition last summer and is the main reason that team is anywhere near a playoff spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 23 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Boeser - we’ll see, but Van management is rightly concerned about term for a guy who is pretty slow already. He’s turning 29…to me that’s a high risk situation, where you end up paying huge $$$ for a guy for what he’s done rather than what he’s going to do. And if you look at his numbers, he has one 40-goal season and then a bunch of 25ish-goal years. He should be thought of as a 25-goal man, not some stud scoring winger like Caufield. Petterson - the problem is getting value back. He at least has the *potential* to be a #1C. Without him, they have one of the league’s absolute worst C configurations. Maybe their best bet is to cross their fingers that he has a good off-season and comes back with his knee strong. On the other hand, his NTC kicks in this July, so if they do that, they are stuck with him forever. Like I say…advanced difficulty. Good decision. Once Demko went down again, I suppose it became inevitable. He was a brilliant acquisition last summer and is the main reason that team is anywhere near a playoff spot. Demko injuries are a big problem at this point. I don't pay attention to what the injuries are, but man, this dude is always hurt. Always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanes World Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 15 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Demko injuries are a big problem at this point. I don't pay attention to what the injuries are, but man, this dude is always hurt. Always Cough Dach cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 22 minutes ago, BCHabnut said: Demko injuries are a big problem at this point. I don't pay attention to what the injuries are, but man, this dude is always hurt. Always Canucks had four truly elite core pieces that would be the envy of any team: Quinn Hughes, Norris winning D-man and a top-2 defenceman of his generation Thatcher Demko, Vezina-calibre G Elias Petterson, 100-point C JT Miller, 90-point C and all-around warrior Of those, Demko is constantly injured; Petterson has mysteriously and completely collapsed; and Miller is gone. As for Hughes, the smart money is that he'll find his way to NJ when his contract expires in two seasons. It's an absolute nightmare that somehow seems quintessentially 'Vancouver Canuck.' A franchise that generally finds ways to turn gold into sh*t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 On 3/3/2025 at 12:19 AM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: Boeser - we’ll see, but Van management is rightly concerned about term for a guy who is pretty slow already. He’s turning 29…to me that’s a high risk situation, where you end up paying huge $$$ for a guy for what he’s done rather than what he’s going to do. And if you look at his numbers, he has one 40-goal season and then a bunch of 25ish-goal years. He should be thought of as a 25-goal man, not some stud scoring winger like Caufield. Petterson - the problem is getting value back. He at least has the *potential* to be a #1C. Without him, they have one of the league’s absolute worst C configurations. Maybe their best bet is to cross their fingers that he has a good off-season and comes back with his knee strong. On the other hand, his NTC kicks in this July, so if they do that, they are stuck with him forever. Like I say…advanced difficulty. Good decision. Once Demko went down again, I suppose it became inevitable. He was a brilliant acquisition last summer and is the main reason that team is anywhere near a playoff spot. Good post. I agree on Boeser. Not worried about his feet. He does other stuff. But term matters indeed. I wouldn’t trade Pettersson myself but the guy still looks unhappy and a drag. Even with his enemy gone already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Jets are interested in Savard and Armia Hughes still looking for a hockey trade. I kind of hope Hughes adds this year. Not a rental but a trade and sign or a player with term 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I kind of hope Hughes adds this year. Not a rental but a trade and sign or a player with term Who do Jets have that fit the Habs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 6 minutes ago, DON said: Who do Jets have that fit the Habs? I think Kyle Connor would fit in pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Kyle Connor would fit in pretty well. But, what about a realistic player though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, DON said: But, what about a realistic player though? Have no idea who the Jets would be willing to give up. I imagine they might want to use picks in a trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 Tough choice as to which player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 3 hours ago, DON said: But, what about a realistic player though? Yes, I was dreaming a bit, not realistic at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Tough choice as to which player exactly my thoughts. Playoffs matter. Belief matters. I trade Savard. Renegotiate Armia. Can bring back Savard next year as an associate coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 You’re not getting impact prospects/young piece back for either guy, so the return would probably be draft picks. I understand that draft picks are valuable, but for a franchise that has stockpiled a bunch already, and has a fair bit of young talent in the system, maybe the experience of being in a playoff dogfight - and certainly the experience of actually being in the playoffs - outweighs the value, to the rebuild, of those picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 8 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: You’re not getting impact prospects/young piece back for either guy, so the return would probably be draft picks. I understand that draft picks are valuable, but for a franchise that has stockpiled a bunch already, and has a fair bit of young talent in the system, maybe the experience of being in a playoff dogfight - and certainly the experience of actually being in the playoffs - outweighs the value, to the rebuild, of those picks. You don't need to use those picks to pick 18 year old players. I'd trade em both, and then use the 2nd or 3rd round picks that we got as trade chips to trade for NHL players in the summer or to move up in the draft, or for something other than just simply making all the picks we have. Draft picks are currency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 6 minutes ago, Commandant said: You don't need to use those picks to pick 18 year old players. I'd trade em both, and then use the 2nd or 3rd round picks that we got as trade chips to trade for NHL players in the summer or to move up in the draft, or for something other than just simply making all the picks we have. Draft picks are currency. Can't disagree. Draft picks are currency. We saw that last year when Hughes used some extra picks to move up and get Hage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 I'd also add that we can get the opportunity to evaluate Roy and Mailloux at the NHL level with them gone. We aren't in a playoff spot and our chances of making it are less than 20%, that's not enough for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 Well, Nelson is gone. And it did take a lot to get him. He will be a difference maker. Colorado is going for it. Love that team of theirs. I think Nelson is the one one to push them over the top now as my front runners to win it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 15 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Can't disagree. Draft picks are currency. We saw that last year when Hughes used some extra picks to move up and get Hage. True, but the Habs have a number. I say adding one player would have been nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 9 hours ago, dreegking said: True, but the Habs have a number. I say adding one player would have been nice. I think the disagreement is with giving significant assets for a rental player when the odds of even making the playoffs is currently 15-20% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 They didn’t sell. So I think they might like the odds enough themselves. go Habs go! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 On 3/7/2025 at 12:02 AM, Commandant said: You don't need to use those picks to pick 18 year old players. I'd trade em both, and then use the 2nd or 3rd round picks that we got as trade chips to trade for NHL players in the summer or to move up in the draft, or for something other than just simply making all the picks we have. Draft picks are currency. Faith building and trying to win is currency also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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