Commandant Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: I think we all would but that one ain't happening. He's pretty close to untouchable for them. The talk from Jeff Marek is that the only reason Rossi is available as Guerin doesnt love guys with lack of size. Hes not moving Erikson Ek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IN THE HEARTS OF MEN Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Commandant said: The talk from Jeff Marek is that the only reason Rossi is available as Guerin doesnt love guys with lack of size. Hes not moving Erikson Ek. I think you all get the point... rossi and Zegras are much of the same that we already have... its not the profile we should be targeting and Gorton pretty much said the same thing. The point wasn't to get Ek but that profile we should be targeting, at C or wing.... talented sandpaper for the top 6... Kadri although not a large man, plays a very greasy big boys game and has offense as well. He was part of a stanley cup winner in Colorodo with Newhook... a boyhood Habs fan, along with his Habs fan family. He would be most ideal. Horvat is bit bigger, and younger , but not a dirty. I think I'd lean Kadri personally if given the choice. His heart would be in it, for the Habs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Kadri is also 34 with a contract that expires when hes 38. Horvat is 30. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 I think Horvat has become my first choice but I really like Kadri and the way he plays. Surely Calgary would like their pick back and I could see a deal being available there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 1 hour ago, Commandant said: Kadri is also 34 with a contract that expires when hes 38. Horvat is 30. I would prefer Horvat but I do like Kadri. The only advantage to Kadri is that the cost to acquire would likely be cheaper because of the age difference. His cap hit is also a little lower 7M versus 8.5M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 2 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I would prefer Horvat but I do like Kadri. The only advantage to Kadri is that the cost to acquire would likely be cheaper because of the age difference. His cap hit is also a little lower 7M versus 8.5M The problem with Kadri is that he's not a boys club dirtbag. He's an outsider dirtbag. He will cost you a series. And has in the past. CC is very right about the good ole boys. It appears that Bennet is a good ole boy dirtbag. Pronger, Messier, heck Weber was actually vicious. Full power crosschecks with his unbreakable stick, right in the back. Never a problem. If you want a dirtbag, a good ole boy dirtbag is the best kind. They're rare though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 11 hours ago, Commandant said: The talk from Jeff Marek is that the only reason Rossi is available as Guerin doesnt love guys with lack of size. That and the two sides are not even close on contract talks. I get the sense Minny wants to do a bridge to give them more flexibility to add in free agency with the big cap hits for the buyouts now down to just minimal ones while Rossi wants a long-term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 14 hours ago, IN THE HEARTS OF MEN said: ... rossi and Zegras are much of the same that we already have... With the last two seasons of 21g/40pts and 24/60 (on a team that was 21st and 25th in scoring the those seasons), both full 82 games, he is a more appropriate 2C offensively ... but the size issue is not to be ignored ... ***if*** they went the Rossi route it might signal the need to also add a big, second-line winger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 So far Rossi seems to be the only genuine case of a 2nd-line C who is both within the Habs’ window, age-wise, and who might be realistically available via trade, for contractual reasons. This doesn’t mean we should trade for him. I’m non-committal on that. It does mean that we need to be realistic about the trade market. All the other names seem to be just wind whistling through the pines. Horvat? Maaaaaybe…if NYI decide to rebuild. So far we have no evidence that this will be their direction. Larkin? There’s some smoke out there (including here in Van), but that would be a radical move for that organization, not that far from us trading Suzuki. What other C is out there and has a REALISTIC chance of being on the market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REV-G Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 If we traded for a 34 year old, like Kadri or someone else in that age bracket, do we have anyone on the Rocket who could grow into the role in the next two years. I believe Hage plays centre but I assume he's 3-4 years away. If we don't have the potential player developing, then I think we need to solve the 2nd line centre position now and acquire a younger, 25 year old age player and not a 34 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 26 minutes ago, REV-G said: If we traded for a 34 year old, like Kadri or someone else in that age bracket, do we have anyone on the Rocket who could grow into the role in the next two years. I believe Hage plays centre but I assume he's 3-4 years away. If we don't have the potential player developing, then I think we need to solve the 2nd line centre position now and acquire a younger, 25 year old age player and not a 34 year old. It will definitely be easier to acquire an old guy who might have 2-3 years left in the tank. That could be done either via UFA or via a moderate-cost trade. Personally, I'm surprised we haven't heard more rumblings around Granlund. Is he a sure bet to re-up in Dallas? I've boldfaced your last sentence because that's what I'm asking. WHO is out there who is in the 25-ish age bracket and might plausibly be available. The only one I'm aware of is Rossi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 I heard some speculation that the Jets wouldn't be able to re-up Vilardi and Ehlers today on a podcast. But to me that means the Jets keep Vilardi and let Ehlers walk. The podcast seemed to think otherwise (locked on habs), but to me it seemed wishful thinking that Vilardi would be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 51 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: WHO is out there who is in the 25-ish age bracket and might plausibly be available. And how many Habs fans are REALLY willing to give up what it would take to get an "ideal"* one they were? * - big, fast, proven offence, at least 3/4 years of term at a reasonable AAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: And how many Habs fans are REALLY willing to give up what it would take to get an "ideal"* one they were? Am sure most trade proposals would be underwhelming to other GMs looking to move said optimal piece for a significant return. Who would Hughes be willing to dangle or let go as part of package? Mailloux, Engstrom, Matheson, Beck, Kapanen, Xhekaj ... Caufield, Guhle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 @The Chicoutimi Cucumber @Commandant Don’t drag me over hot coals for this but what would Elias Petterson cost and how much would the Canuckleheads swallow retention wise?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 3 minutes ago, Helmethead said: @The Chicoutimi Cucumber @Commandant Don’t drag me over hot coals for this but what would Elias Petterson cost and how much would the Canuckleheads swallow retention wise?? His "cost" likely relates directly (or technically to how much they are expected to retain ... the higher the retention the higher the cost ... it would be the very definition of a high risk/high reward deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 7 hours ago, Commandant said: I heard some speculation that the Jets wouldn't be able to re-up Vilardi and Ehlers today on a podcast. But to me that means the Jets keep Vilardi and let Ehlers walk. The podcast seemed to think otherwise (locked on habs), but to me it seemed wishful thinking that Vilardi would be available. I've seen plenty of speculation that Ehlers isn't staying, dating back probably a couple of years now actually. I haven't seen anything credible about Vilardi - who's a restricted free agent - being in play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 9 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I've seen plenty of speculation that Ehlers isn't staying, dating back probably a couple of years now actually. I haven't seen anything credible about Vilardi - who's a restricted free agent - being in play. Same, everything other than this podcast suggests Ehlers is the one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 50 minutes ago, dlbalr said: I've seen plenty of speculation that Ehlers isn't staying, dating back probably a couple of years now actually. I haven't seen anything credible about Vilardi - who's a restricted free agent - being in play. Also rumour that Ehlers was interested in Montreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Sounds like Ken Holland is the new Kings GM. Doubt they are rebuilding, so not sure any of their Cs are available. (Only one id want is Byfield though, and hes is definitely not available). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said: Also rumour that Ehlers was interested in Montreal. Ehlers could be good, but he's not a C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 8 hours ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: It will definitely be easier to acquire an old guy who might have 2-3 years left in the tank. That could be done either via UFA or via a moderate-cost trade. Personally, I'm surprised we haven't heard more rumblings around Granlund. Is he a sure bet to re-up in Dallas? I agree about Granlund. Young enough to have some good years left, almost a perfect age until you are able to transition to a longer term solution. Plus being a UFA the Habs wouldn't have to give up assets. I have no idea whether Dallas wants to resign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 4 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Ehlers could be good, but he's not a C. May be an option *** if *** all 2C options fail ... or if they get a 2C with a very reasonable contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfredoh2009 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 minutes ago, GHT120 said: May be an option *** if *** all 2C options fail ... or if they get a 2C with a very reasonable contract. Nope, Demidov should get that playing time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 4 hours ago, Helmethead said: @The Chicoutimi Cucumber @Commandant Don’t drag me over hot coals for this but what would Elias Petterson cost and how much would the Canuckleheads swallow retention wise?? Word is that Canucks ownership is quite hostile to salary retention. Assuming minimal retention, Petterson is a guy that a team takes a flyer on when they're either desperate or trying to avoid a rebuild by stretching out the life-span of an aging core, like Washington did in signing PLD. We have a fair mass of young talent, so taking a huge risk on that contract seems an unnecessary swing for the fences. Definitely warming to the Granlund idea, if he hits the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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