Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Granlund hasn't hurt his value tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xXx..CK..xXx Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Hat trick for Granlund 🧢🧢🧢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I think Knies really likes Toronto so unlikely to do a 1 year thing. KK was a little immature and ticked off with the Habs. The concept is how a team can "agree" to an 8-year deal with an RFA ... otherwise there is no incentive for the team to push the envelope so the offer won't be matched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I say that, if you are a team with lots of great young talent and prospects, do NOT get involved with offer sheets. That’s like painting a massive target on your back inviting predatory/retaliatory offer sheets for your guys. It would be different if offer sheets were just a normal part of doing business. But, although they’ve grown somewhat more normalized in recent years, there still seems to be a kind of GM’s gentleman’s code. The teams that should be doing it are teams like Pittsburgh that have zero prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 2 hours ago, GHT120 said: The concept is how a team can "agree" to an 8-year deal with an RFA ... otherwise there is no incentive for the team to push the envelope so the offer won't be matched. I understand the concept but I think the Knies situation is completely different given than KK's in that he is much more a proven commodity and it would be hard to come up with 1 year offer that Toronto wouldn't match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 15 hours ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: Granlund hasn't hurt his value tonight. From the Ates/Lazarus article on The Athletic. I'd say that he could still add real value to the Habs. "Granlund was averaging approximately 1 point a game for the San Jose Sharks when Stars general manager Jim Nill sent the Sharks first- and third-round picks for Granlund and defenseman Cody Ceci on Feb. 1. Granlund was getting top-line minutes in San Jose, so it’s not a huge surprise that his numbers dipped a bit when he got to Dallas. In a mostly middle-six role, he still had seven goals and 14 assists in 31 games. But after scoring just one goal in the first 10 games of the postseason, Granlund came out flying in Game 4. He threw his body around — he was credited with five hits through two periods — broke up two Winnipeg rushes with a quick stick and scored three times. His first goal was on a power play — off a Dylan DeMelo holding-the-stick penalty that Granlund drew — taking a Thomas Harley drop pass in his own end, dancing past Brandon Tanev, racing right up the gut and snapping off a shot through Neal Pionk to beat Connor Hellebuyck. After Winnipeg tied the score with a sharp-angle Nikolaj Ehlers shot that caught Oettinger by surprise, Granlund gave Dallas the lead again with 2:08 remaining in the second period, keeping the puck on a two-on-one with Roope Hintz and beating Hellebuyck clean again with another wrist shot. Granlund then gave the Stars some badly needed breathing room 7:23 into the third period, potting a one-timer from the bottom of the right circle with three seconds left in a double-minor high-sticking penalty to Haydn Fleury." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 On 5/13/2025 at 9:50 AM, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said: ... wouldn’t a 5’9 Rossi be a much better investment? Guess it won't happen ... the Great and Powerful Ek predicts the odds of Rossi staying in Minnesota are 65% and if he leaves the Habs are third most likely destination ... thus, as many believe Eklund is always wrong, Rossi will leave but end up somewhere other than Vancouver (40%), Detroit (25%), Montreal (13%), Philadelphia (12%) or Boston (10%) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 3 hours ago, GHT120 said: Guess it won't happen ... the Great and Powerful Ek predicts the odds of Rossi staying in Minnesota are 65% and if he leaves the Habs are third most likely destination ... thus, as many believe Eklund is always wrong, Rossi will leave but end up somewhere other than Vancouver (40%), Detroit (25%), Montreal (13%), Philadelphia (12%) or Boston (10%) I think people underestimate how desperate Van is. My guess is that they will be in on every available UFA C and quite prepared to heavily overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 A young Mike Matheson I wonder what the asking price is. We don’t need another LD but he is a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurdBurglar Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 30 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: A young Mike Matheson I wonder what the asking price is. We don’t need another LD but he is a good player. He always was considered to be a good player. I would question on why he's being moved again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 47 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said: He always was considered to be a good player. I would question on why he's being moved again. That is a good question and the only times that I watched him play was against Montreal so I don’t have much eye test on him. Why is he available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 21 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: That is a good question and the only times that I watched him play was against Montreal so I don’t have much eye test on him. Why is he available? Buffalo has Dahlin and Power locked up on pricey long-term deals and Byram, coming off his bridge, is heading for a pricey one of his own. Can they afford that much tied up in half their D? Also, he's coming off a rare healthy season; could they sell high on someone who has a long concussion history? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, dlbalr said: Buffalo has Dahlin and Power locked up on pricey long-term deals and Byram, coming off his bridge, is heading for a pricey one of his own. Can they afford that much tied up in half their D? Also, he's coming off a rare healthy season; could they sell high on someone who has a long concussion history? I didn’t know about concussion history and you add in the upcoming raise in salary then it’s clear why he available. I wouldn’t spend a lot on this trade due to the risk. Thanks for the analysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I didn’t know about concussion history and you add in the upcoming raise in salary then it’s clear why he available. I wouldn’t spend a lot on this trade due to the risk. Thanks for the analysis Agree 100%, given his concussion history and our depth at LD I don't see any reason why Hughes would be interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 17 hours ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: I didn’t know about concussion history and you add in the upcoming raise in salary then it’s clear why he available. I wouldn’t spend a lot on this trade due to the risk. Thanks for the analysis I remember reading an interview with him when he came back from his last one (this was still with Colorado) where he admitted he thought about shutting it down altogether with the severity. Granted, that was two or three years ago but that's a bit of a red flag. Buffalo didn't seem willing to move him in-season so I'm not sure how much of this is he's available versus they'll listen since they know another core shakeup probably needs to happen and as a pending RFA, he's a logical one to listen on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Not a strong source for a rumour but Marco D’amico ( I like his opinions ) mentioned offer sheet candidates for the canadiens. The rangers have RDA Miller and Cuyelle and don’t have a lot of cap space. He mentioned a double offer sheet like the blues did might free up one of there players. Any thought on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 I think you could trade for Miller if you want him. Hes not in favour with management after a down year. I think the Rangers would match almost anything on Cuylle and move other pieces to make sure they match. I dont like offer sheets in our situation as we have a lot of young talent for revenge sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 I find offer sheet speculation to be a whole lot of wishful thinking (or something to fill content quotas). Yes, there are teams who are vulnerable like the Rangers. Given what happened with Edmonton, those teams should be a lot more proactive in making moves to prevent themselves from being in that spot so that what happened last year doesn't happen to them, assuming that the player actually wants to leave and signs the offer sheet which is hardly a given. Sitting here today, I don't think both players would sign a hypothetical offer sheet from Montreal, nor do I think the Habs will give one to Miller whose price tag from his qualifying offer is already on the high side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 2 minutes ago, Commandant said: I dont like offer sheets in our situation as we have a lot of young talent for revenge sheets. I'm going to tack on a note to this - Montreal's top young talents aren't actually going to be eligible for offer sheets. Hutson and Demidov didn't reach the 10 GP threshold in the first year of their deals so they become 10.2c players that can't be offer-sheeted. (For example, Sean Farrell was in a similar boat and is a 10.2c player this summer.) That isn't to say that other young talent couldn't get one down the road, just wanted to add the little qualifier that the revenge sheets couldn't be on Hutson/Demidov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 Might Manson be a good Savard replacement? 33 year old RH-d $4.5m/yr, 1 year left on contract Josh Manson Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats | Puckpedia What Can The Avalanche Do This Summer? "If the Avalanche hope to contend again, they need to solidify that position, which will be easier said than done. There are a few options available in free agency. Still, unless the Avalanche dump a contract such as Ross Colton ($4MM) or Josh Manson ($4.5MM), they will not have the required cap space to compete for a free agent center such as Nelson, John Tavares or Sam Bennett and fill out the rest of their roster." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildTurkeyXX Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 5 minutes ago, DON said: Might Manson be a good Savard replacement? 33 year old RH-d $4.5m/yr, 1 year left on contract Could be worth a closer look. The numbers look okay. How's his skating? Would the Avs be looking to pay to get rid of him? Or would they be looking for a genuine return? If so, what would a fair trade look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, dlbalr said: I'm going to tack on a note to this - Montreal's top young talents aren't actually going to be eligible for offer sheets. Hutson and Demidov didn't reach the 10 GP threshold in the first year of their deals so they become 10.2c players that can't be offer-sheeted. (For example, Sean Farrell was in a similar boat and is a 10.2c player this summer.) That isn't to say that other young talent couldn't get one down the road, just wanted to add the little qualifier that the revenge sheets couldn't be on Hutson/Demidov. Not immediately. Thats true. Of course if their agents think a big money revenge offer sheet could be coming they could negotiate a one year deal (or simply sign the QO) The revenge offer sheet is not just the other team doing it. Its also giving leverage to your own RFAs in every negotiation going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 The.other thing with offer sheets vs UFAs or Trades is you overpay twice. Most UFAs you overpay in salary and term. RFAs if you give fair value, their team matches (see AHO). So you have to overpay to.get the team not to.match. Then your.compensation (draft.picks) is based on the overpayment so it too becomes an overpayment in draft assets (vs a trade). Then remember how the habs used.suzuki to keep caufield and Slaf below that AAV. Now you.have a big AAV for someone you offersheeted and othet players ask for more. Even if its not above.suzuki.but instead an overpay on the middle.six.guy (Lets say 7 mill) other players are going to use that as a comparable. There are lots of reasons this tool is more hyped by fans than used by GMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 this might explain the ranger offer sheet a little better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 On 5/25/2025 at 12:46 PM, Commandant said: The.other thing with offer sheets vs UFAs or Trades is you overpay twice. Most UFAs you overpay in salary and term. RFAs if you give fair value, their team matches (see AHO). So you have to overpay to.get the team not to.match. Then your.compensation (draft.picks) is based on the overpayment so it too becomes an overpayment in draft assets (vs a trade). Then remember how the habs used.suzuki to keep caufield and Slaf below that AAV. Now you.have a big AAV for someone you offersheeted and othet players ask for more. Even if its not above.suzuki.but instead an overpay on the middle.six.guy (Lets say 7 mill) other players are going to use that as a comparable. There are lots of reasons this tool is more hyped by fans than used by GMs. I agree. Avoid offer sheets. To my mind, it’s teams like Pittsburgh that have zero prospects but don’t want to rebuild that should be doing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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