Commandant Posted October 12, 2024 Author Share Posted October 12, 2024 Its early, but 6 points in 7 games is mediocre for a player who is in his fourth year as a junior eligible. We need him to be well over 1 PPG if we want to say he's anything other than an NHL long shot. This isn't just about Thorpe, this is about all 19 year olds playing in the CHL. You want to see them dominate at that level. Still early so plenty of time to get there, but we want to see him up the pace. This has always been the case whether we are talking Mesar, Florian Xhekaj, Thorpe, McCarron, and others. Look at the beginning of this thread and the numbers Gallagher was putting up in his two years after being drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 12, 2024 Share Posted October 12, 2024 Ice times are bizarre and the shift lengths are also bizarre. Why sit him for the first period? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 12, 2024 Share Posted October 12, 2024 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Ice times are bizarre and the shift lengths are also bizarre. Why sit him for the first period? Unless the Gazprom executive responsible for the SKA Saint Petersburg file is a board member, and could therefore be influenced to make a coaching change, I have simply resigned myself to being frustrated by how their idiot ... err ... head coach manages Demidov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 12, 2024 Share Posted October 12, 2024 1 hour ago, GHT120 said: ... I have simply resigned myself to being frustrated by how their idiot ... err ... head coach manages Demidov. Why frustrated, was a likely scenario pre-season; a rookie moving on to NHL in April might get short end of stick or be demoted. Not much can be done to change a rich self appointed coach's decisions, i guess? Anyways, just another 6 months before #91 will be playing with the Habs. Just can hope he stays healthy and earns some more icetime. it was just after benching for 2nd period tripping penalty, that icetime plummeted. (My guess is that he said something to Rotenberg that wasnt appreciated?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHT120 Posted October 12, 2024 Share Posted October 12, 2024 2 minutes ago, DON said: Why frustrated, was a likely scenario pre-season; a rookie moving on to NHL in April might get short end of stick or be demoted. Not much can be done to change a rich self appointed coach's decisions, i guess? Anyways, just another 6 months before #91 will be playing with the Habs. Just can hope he stays healthy and earns some more icetime. Didn't say I didn't understand how the KHL too often works or even expected how Demidov would be treated, but just because it is reality doesn't mean it isn't frustrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 12, 2024 Share Posted October 12, 2024 Bogdan 0pts 24:46 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 13, 2024 Share Posted October 13, 2024 Koivu/Protz/Thorpe 1a Fowler 4g 29 shots loss Hage 1g (3) Vecvanags 2g 25 shots win Hage had another strong game and sweet goal, pretty impressive play. Michael Hage Scores 3rd/Has Assist Called Off/Gets Jumped in Wildest 3rd Period - 10-12-24 (youtube.com) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 13, 2024 Share Posted October 13, 2024 3 hours ago, DON said: Koivu/Protz/Thorpe 1a Fowler 4g 29 shots loss Hage 1g (3) Vecvanags 2g 25 shots win Hage had another strong game and sweet goal, pretty impressive play. Michael Hage Scores 3rd/Has Assist Called Off/Gets Jumped in Wildest 3rd Period - 10-12-24 (youtube.com) Thanks for posting, Hage continues to impress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 13, 2024 Share Posted October 13, 2024 Demidov played limited minutes; but still looked shifty and almost tucked one home and had bunch of good plays in 7minutes or whatever he had. See the short video of his limited minutes on youtube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 13, 2024 Share Posted October 13, 2024 Found some recent comments from Rotenberg. It seems that he believes he knows best how to develop players ... “I’m sure that Ivan is developing, he plays a lot for us. He trains with great players, with masters, many of whom played in the NHL. We played hundreds of matches! We won the Stanley Cup, there are guys with Gagarin Cups, we won the Olympics. Therefore, he has a lot to learn,” said SKA head coach Roman Rotenberg. https://inoprosport.ru/post/58014-kanadtsy-o-skromnykh-4-minutakh-igrovogo-vremeni-demidova-v-matche-s-dinamo-oni-ne-khotiat-videt-khoroshii-khokkei "You are talking about playing time, about i-time—apparently, you received your education in America. But we must look objectively at all the qualities of a hockey player. Even if he played one shift and scored the winning goal. I was watching the World Youth Championship, one US player sat the entire match, and then came on one shift and scored the winning goal. This means that the head coach prepared him well for one shift. There are such examples in football too. Remember a player like Solskjaer from Norway? It was called Golden substitute. Do you know what this is?" https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Hokkej/spbnews_NI2119818_Rotenberg__o_malom_igrovom_vremeni_Demidova_V_futbole_tozhe_jest_takije_primery_Pomnite_Shulshera_iz_Norvegii — Your rising star Ivan Demidov played today as the 13th striker, only six shifts, and did not play at all in the third period. Why so little? - A very strong opponent. It was a dice-to-dice game, especially since everyone knows how well Dynamo plays on counterattacks. This is a very strong team. And any mistake, any lost duel or encounter can lead to a difficult situation at our gates. And if we want to cement our defense, then everyone must fulfill the game task. And it doesn’t matter what someone’s last name is. We need a team game. https://matchtv.ru/hockey/matchtvnews_NI2116254_Roman_Rotenberg_Pochemu_Demidov_sygral_ochen_malo_Sopernik_byl_ochen_silnym 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 13, 2024 Share Posted October 13, 2024 43 minutes ago, tomh009 said: Found some recent comments from Rotenberg. It seems that he believes he knows best how to develop players ... “I’m sure that Ivan is developing, he plays a lot for us. He trains with great players, with masters, many of whom played in the NHL. We played hundreds of matches! We won the Stanley Cup, there are guys with Gagarin Cups, we won the Olympics. Therefore, he has a lot to learn,” said SKA head coach Roman Rotenberg. https://inoprosport.ru/post/58014-kanadtsy-o-skromnykh-4-minutakh-igrovogo-vremeni-demidova-v-matche-s-dinamo-oni-ne-khotiat-videt-khoroshii-khokkei "You are talking about playing time, about i-time—apparently, you received your education in America. But we must look objectively at all the qualities of a hockey player. Even if he played one shift and scored the winning goal. I was watching the World Youth Championship, one US player sat the entire match, and then came on one shift and scored the winning goal. This means that the head coach prepared him well for one shift. There are such examples in football too. Remember a player like Solskjaer from Norway? It was called Golden substitute. Do you know what this is?" https://news.sportbox.ru/Vidy_sporta/Hokkej/spbnews_NI2119818_Rotenberg__o_malom_igrovom_vremeni_Demidova_V_futbole_tozhe_jest_takije_primery_Pomnite_Shulshera_iz_Norvegii — Your rising star Ivan Demidov played today as the 13th striker, only six shifts, and did not play at all in the third period. Why so little? - A very strong opponent. It was a dice-to-dice game, especially since everyone knows how well Dynamo plays on counterattacks. This is a very strong team. And any mistake, any lost duel or encounter can lead to a difficult situation at our gates. And if we want to cement our defense, then everyone must fulfill the game task. And it doesn’t matter what someone’s last name is. We need a team game. https://matchtv.ru/hockey/matchtvnews_NI2116254_Roman_Rotenberg_Pochemu_Demidov_sygral_ochen_malo_Sopernik_byl_ochen_silnym Thanks for the post, it was interesting. I'm Quite confident that St. Louis will use different coaching methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 13, 2024 Share Posted October 13, 2024 1 hour ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Thanks for the post, it was interesting. I'm Quite confident that St. Louis will use different coaching methods. I am sure St. Louis will use different coaching methods but I am not bothered if his current team sits him because he is not playing the way they want, don't want him to feel entitled. Also less chance of injury. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomh009 Posted October 14, 2024 Share Posted October 14, 2024 1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: I am sure St. Louis will use different coaching methods but I am not bothered if his current team sits him because he is not playing the way they want, don't want him to feel entitled. Also less chance of injury. LOL My take is that they are sitting him because Rotenberg generally doesn't want to play young players as they might make a mistake and cost the team a game. Which really means that he's not going to get much development this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 14, 2024 Share Posted October 14, 2024 1 hour ago, tomh009 said: My take is that they are sitting him because Rotenberg generally doesn't want to play young players as they might make a mistake and cost the team a game. Which really means that he's not going to get much development this season. Your take makes perfect sense and is probably the correct one. Plus they know he will be gone next year so they are not too worried about long term development which is understandable. As long as they don't mess him up too much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted October 14, 2024 Share Posted October 14, 2024 3 hours ago, tomh009 said: My take is that they are sitting him because Rotenberg generally doesn't want to play young players as they might make a mistake and cost the team a game. Which really means that he's not going to get much development this season. Sounds like a graduate from the Babcock dinosaur school of coaching - seems to be as much of a prick as Babcock was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 14, 2024 Share Posted October 14, 2024 Go Hage Go! https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/across-the-border-michael-hage-looks-like-a-star-jacob-fowler-shutout-video-analysis-highlights-stats-sam-harris-logan-sawyer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 Demidov back on the third line and it pays off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 15, 2024 Share Posted October 15, 2024 Demidov- 1g 2 shots 13:47 9pts in 16 games. But 6 of those games basically = 2 normal icetime... so i see it more like 5g 9pts in 12 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 17, 2024 Share Posted October 17, 2024 Saku jr 1a 10:33; 1g 5pts, 9:28 in 13 Liiga games. But he is young. Birthdate: 2006-06-22 Age: 18 Rohrer 1g, his 1st point since Sept 27th game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 17, 2024 Share Posted October 17, 2024 Demidov 1a, game started 1/2 hour ago. 9:14 icetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 Hage 1g 4 shots St. Cloud State vs Michigan DI Men's Ice Hockey Game Summary - October 18th, 2024 | NCAA.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 15 hours ago, DON said: Hage 1g 4 shots St. Cloud State vs Michigan DI Men's Ice Hockey Game Summary - October 18th, 2024 | NCAA.com And it was a beauty, around the 8:15 mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said: And it was a beauty, around the 8:15 mark. Damn that is a goal scorers goal. Very impressive so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs Fan in Edmonton Posted October 19, 2024 Share Posted October 19, 2024 27 minutes ago, Prime Minister Koivu said: Damn that is a goal scorers goal. Very impressive so far Very impressive, does a great job protecting the puck. I still find it hard to believe he slipped to 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Minister Koivu Posted October 20, 2024 Share Posted October 20, 2024 Friedman talking about an upcoming visit to Russia to meet with Demidov is being planned. I can hope they come home with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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