lafrous10 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Whatever we make of the trade, we shouldn't deny that Cammalleri has it in him to be an elite scoring winger in the NHL. Something's gone wrong for him this season, but I don't think it changes that basic fact. Bourque, meanwhile, is at best an adequate second-line winger; in effect we traded Cammy for an older version of Kostitsyn. There almost certainly will come a time when Cammy is producing like an all-star for an extended period of time. Anyone defending that trade had better focus on the cap space gained and the 2nd round pick. Does anyone remember a top 6 forward,who gets some pp time,ever having less than 10 assists in a full season. Bourque has 5 so far Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Does anyone remember a top 6 forward,who gets some pp time,ever having less than 10 assists in a full season. Bourque has 5 so far Joe Malone in 1917 had 44 goals and 4 assists. I'm pretty sure he was a top-6 forward. I'm sure there's a more modern answer somewhere... Nik Zherdev had only 6 assists with Philly last season and saw some top-6 minutes. Ryan Jones had 18-7 last year playing nearly 14 minutes which is 2nd-ish on some teams. Those are the 2 closest from last year; I know Marek Svatos came close with a 26-11 season a few years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lafrous10 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Joe Malone in 1917 had 44 goals and 4 assists. I'm pretty sure he was a top-6 forward. I'm sure there's a more modern answer somewhere... Good answer. I'd be happy if he could do that in the 40-50 games that Malone did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted February 27, 2012 Author Share Posted February 27, 2012 Good answer. I'd be happy if he could do that in the 40-50 games that Malone did it. I edited my post to give the closest examples from last year I could find quickly skimming the stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So... Our 1st round pick, Nashville's 2nd round pick, Gorges, and Eller for Nash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Columbus would probably want Pacioretty more. I think if you're actually going to try and get Nash, you gotta put Pacioretty on the table. Why go with Eller when you got Johansen in the system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So... Our 1st round pick, Nashville's 2nd round pick, Gorges, and Eller for Nash? I wouldnt do that. Nash is good but not great. Hes a 35 goal 70 point guy. Very good but not elite and thats a package for an elite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCHabnut Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 This team hasn't had a Nash caliber player since Turgeon. It is a lot to offer, buthat's what it will take to land him Not that it's possible anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 So... Our 1st round pick, Nashville's 2nd round pick, Gorges, and Eller for Nash? Wouldn't make that deal even if I had a gun pointed to my head. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Wouldn't make that deal even if I had a gun pointed to my head. +1 No way i move that much for Nash. To move a 1st (that may be a top 3 pick), GOrges (from our current lineup - one of only 3 good dman) and Eller is a big price to pay for a guy who, while being an elite player is not a difference maker. To me, if you start mortgaging parts of the future, it should only be for a Malkin, Crosby, Toews, or Shea Weber type of player - a player who can help transform not only a game, but a team to take the next step. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Agree I would think about it if the habs were in 3rd in the league not 3rd last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peihabs11 Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Price/Budaj D: PK Suppan/L. Smid - A. Markov/J. Gorges - T. Peckham/A. Emelin (F. St. Denis or B. Nash as 7'th) Forward: top line: Z. Parise/P. Stastny/ M. Moulson M. Pacioretty/ D. Desharnais/ E. Cole B. Prust/L.Eller/B. Gionta R. White/B. Geoffrion/ A.Palushaj (Brad Staubitz) Here's how trade Plekanec & Leblanc to Colorado for P. Stastny & P. Bordeleau Trade T. Kaberle, Y. Weber & A, Engqvist to Edmonton for L. Smid & T. Peckham Trade R. Bourque & R. Diaz to NYI for M. Moulson P. Nokelainen can be used as a throw in for one of the trades if needed if not trade him for a draft pick. Sign Z. Parise & B. Prust (UFA's) Once we have a centre like Stastny, Parise may come: offer 7.5 mill per year / 7 years. Offer Prust 7.5m for 5 years go as high as 9 mill. Ship Gomez to minors or trade for pick if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 That top line is a lovely dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 7, 2012 Author Share Posted March 7, 2012 I have never understood some people's fascination with career minor league enforcers. Patrick Bordeleau will soon turn 26 without ever getting a sniff in Colorado. Why would the Habs want him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 Imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbp Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Trade T. Kaberle, Y. Weber & A, Engqvist to Edmonton for L. Smid & T. Peckham This trade is so ridiculous haha, I love the look of that team and all... but this couldn't possibly EVER happen. Smid has been Edmonton's best d-man this season. Engqvist isn't NHL ready (quite possible that he won't ever be) Weber has potential but wouldn't be as good as either of those two players plus Kaberle is exactly the last thing Edmonton is looking for. Edmonton needs Defensive depth and responsible defensive guys. This trade would be a HUGE ripoff and 150% impossible. Wish it would happen though ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habsy Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 I thought this website was "above" that fantasy, completely unrealistic stuff. If all that occurs, Rachel McAdam should be knocking on my door soon after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted March 8, 2012 Author Share Posted March 8, 2012 What I just realized is that this should all be in the trade proposal thread...so that's where it now is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Trade Proposal To Montreal Adam Henrique To New Jersey I don't know just do it. This is like Richer for Muller. DOITDOITDOIT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Plekanec and our 1st for Eric Staal. Think about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMMR Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Plekanec and our 1st for Eric Staal. Think about it. You know I would have done this trade back when it looked like the Habs would be picking in the 6-11 spot. It would be real tough to do now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You know I would have done this trade back when it looked like the Habs would be picking in the 6-11 spot. It would be real tough to do now. 100%. Part of the issue is that, with the rise of Desharnais, the situation at C is not actually as horrible as we're accustomed to thinking. (It's not fabulous, but it's not God-awful anymore). This truth has been obscured by Plekanec's horrible season - but that it itself arguably a product of our lack of quality wingers more than Pleks himself. Get Pleks going and suddenly things look a lot better; as it is now we have one good line. Pleks is a guy you can build another very good line around, but he needs wingers. Get Gio back, get a stud LW, and look out for squalls. I never thought we'd be in this situation, but we are: poised to pick a potential franchise, or at least high-end elite player. For God's sake, don't trade that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commandant Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 Plekanec and our 1st for Eric Staal. Think about it. No thanks Staal is only a 70 pt guy for the most part. To move a top 3 pick plus Pleks I need a real superstar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 You know I would have done this trade back when it looked like the Habs would be picking in the 6-11 spot. It would be real tough to do now. With the high draft pick we hold in this draft, we HOPE to select a player who will eventually turn out to be as good as Staal. A clear cut #1 center who is big and can put up a PPG. We have plenty of draft picks in the cupboard, along with many prospects that are very close to jumping to the big league. Not to mention the young core that are already valuable pieces to this team now. Perhaps if our current roster composition was different, I would want to hold on to the draft pick, but I think the timing is right to make a big move like that. This team needs an identity. It needs players who can actually define their roles on the team. Go down the list, most of the players currently don't know what their role is, or who they will be playing with on any given night. I am sick and tired of having a bunch of good players, and not enough great players. I think a deal like this makes sense for both teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 No thanks Staal is only a 70 pt guy for the most part. To move a top 3 pick plus Pleks I need a real superstar. Staal since the lockout has averaged 79 points and 36 goals per year. He never gets injured, won a Cup and Olympic gold. It doesn't get much better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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