Neech Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I agree with Trizzak. We should take a view to the future with any moves we make, and some of our vets would have value to a playoff team. Bergevin made obvious mistakes in the offseason, and those have festered to the point where many have lost a lot of faith in him. But he can regain some of it by at least showing that he has a clue where this team is headed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 I would disagree, we deal from strength. If we are 10-0-1 then we have a good team and people value our players more. Why must we trade when we are in a slump? We should always be looking to improve the team. Let's face it this isn't the habs team that lost only 8 games in a season. We need to improve, and get that damn #25. Topic of trading #79 came up in early December, with Habs just going 10-0-1, many thought was just insane/kooky idea, but habs rule could still see bigger picture. I only mention it because now, many are calling for 79 to be traded, while currently both team slumping and his play in a funk, which is opposite of smart business plan and too much a knee-jerk reaction. But, I am very curious to see how Bergevin will handle this slump, with Habfans/Media/Blog mobs soaking the torches and sharpening up the pitchforks, looking for someone to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Markov will have serious deadline value regardless of his current slump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Yes he will, a 1st and a top tier prospect for sure. Murray got (2) 2nd rounders last years. Markov's value to a contender is way higher than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmethead Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Although I don't disagree with moving Markov, (I actually support the notion) I am really surprised that most fans are ok with it. People forget that he is a lifetime hab that, in my eyes at least, has impacted this team more than the Saku did. Yet when Saku was allowed to leave people were definitely not ok with it. Imagine if the team had moved him at the deadline instead?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chicoutimi Cucumber Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Hey, I still remember advocating that we trade Saks for Marleau after the latter had a 49-point season and his value was artificially low. Boy, was I pilloried around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Although I don't disagree with moving Markov, (I actually support the notion) I am really surprised that most fans are ok with it. People forget that he is a lifetime hab that, in my eyes at least, has impacted this team more than the Saku did. Yet when Saku was allowed to leave people were definitely not ok with it. Imagine if the team had moved him at the deadline instead?? Sure is a lifetime Hab, who already collected millions sitting on a couch watching soap operas with knee in a cast. So, as a Sakic did, will Markov offer a hometown discount to stay in Montreal and allow Bergevin to acquire bit better UFAs? if he does, alrighty then sign him; but, if he wants $6m/year for more than 2 years, I say ship him elsewhere (Detroit-Hawks-LA-San Jose-Pitt-Vancouver could want rental). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Markov wants to be a Hab, I think he has shown us that, but he will 35 and his knees are 57. I am ok to sign him for 2 years but only if there is a discount. I think 3.5 should be the number. Or let's go get some players that will help us win the cup in 3 years. Markov will not be able to help us win the cup in 3 years. I know you are all going to trash me for the 3.5 but let's face it, we only get the full Markov for 1/2 the season. After that we get Markov light. He simply can't play 82 games any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sim.on Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Markov wants to be a Hab, I think he has shown us that, but he will 35 and his knees are 57. I am ok to sign him for 2 years but only if there is a discount. I think 3.5 should be the number. Or let's go get some players that will help us win the cup in 3 years. Markov will not be able to help us win the cup in 3 years. I know you are all going to trash me for the 3.5 but let's face it, we only get the full Markov for 1/2 the season. After that we get Markov light. He simply can't play 82 games any more. Markov is not the number 1 or 2 D that he used to be but he is still a power play specialist and a leader. With the cap going up we also have reasses what players are worth. I would not mind in the least giving him 4.5 a season for the next 2 years. If he were to go to the highest bidder as a UFA he would get 2 years probably closer to 6 mil per Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Markov is not the number 1 or 2 D that he used to be but he is still a power play specialist and a leader. With the cap going up we also have reasses what players are worth. I would not mind in the least giving him 4.5 a season for the next 2 years. If he were to go to the highest bidder as a UFA he would get 2 years probably closer to 6 mil per I am not suggesting we should let him walk away as a ufa. If as MB has said we are 4 to 5 years away from being a real contender then we may as well get what we can now because his value is not going up. He is not going to be part of the "contender". The assets that we get for him should be so let's start building that contender now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 I am not suggesting we should let him walk away as a ufa. If as MB has said we are 4 to 5 years away from being a real contender then we may as well get what we can now because his value is not going up. He is not going to be part of the "contender". The assets that we get for him should be so let's start building that contender now. Any GM who says they are 4 to 5 years away from being a contender should be fired. 5 year plans are a crock and clutch to use as an excuse for job security. Unless you inherit this year's Buffalo Sabres, most GM's should be aiming to turn the team around in 2 to 3 years, or should be fired before even being hired. A team with the resources as the Montreal Canadian, Toronto Maple Leafs and NYRs should be able to put a contending team together, as long as they don't make political moves like signing Briere over Jagr or throwing stupid money on average players like Clarkson, or signing the pretty UFA's to stupid deals like Gomez, Drury, Redden, Gaborik. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Any GM who says they are 4 to 5 years away from being a contender should be fired. 5 year plans are a crock and clutch to use as an excuse for job security. Unless you inherit this year's Buffalo Sabres, most GM's should be aiming to turn the team around in 2 to 3 years, or should be fired before even being hired. A team with the resources as the Montreal Canadian, Toronto Maple Leafs and NYRs should be able to put a contending team together, as long as they don't make political moves like signing Briere over Jagr or throwing stupid money on average players like Clarkson, or signing the pretty UFA's to stupid deals like Gomez, Drury, Redden, Gaborik. I agree. I was really disapointed to hear that MB said that. I heard it from the announcers in between periods a couple of disasters ago, might have beenTony. I think 2 to 3 years is the max for this team, it has a decent core. Now with some goal scoring and a proper coach and we would be away. Basically dump the deadwood and get some talent 4 maybe 5 players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovett's Magnatones Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 He's stoned if he thinks he has five years. He has three max to get at least a second round in the playoffs. Especially if they miss the playoffs this year and he has another holdout with Subban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDriveFor25 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 This is the trade proposal thread so here are a couple proposals... Gorges, Pleks, and Sven to Colorado for ROR and McGinn Diaz, Pacioretty, Bournival, Fucale and a pick to Winnipeg for Buff and Kane Emelin, Leblanc and Bourque to Edmonton for Yak Moen and Murray to L.A. for King Gionta to N.J. for draft pick Briere to Anaheim for draft pick DD and Markov to Chicago for Saad Picks and Prospects to Nashville for Josi Subban Tinordi Josi Beaulieu Pateryn Boullion/Drewiske Buff - ROR - Gallagher Kane - Gally - Yak Saad - Eller - McGinn King - White - Prust 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 To Colorado Lars Eller Josh Gorges 1st Round Pick 2014 To Montreal Ryan O'Reilly To Washington Raphael Diaz Rene Bourque To Montreal Martin Erat O'Reilly - Plekanec - Gionta Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher Erat - Briere - Moen Prust - Bournival - Leblanc Subban - Markov Emelin - Beaulieu Murray - Tinordi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 To Colorado Lars Eller Josh Gorges 1st Round Pick 2014 To Montreal Ryan O'Reilly To Washington Raphael Diaz Rene Bourque To Montreal Martin Erat I think we're overpaying on both of these. I suggested Gorges+Eller for O'Reilly earlier, I think throwing in a 1st rounder is excessive. Maybe a 2nd. Washington wants to dump Erat as badly as we want to dump Bourque, there's no reason to include Diaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 28, 2014 Author Share Posted January 28, 2014 Washington wants to dump Erat as badly as we want to dump Bourque, there's no reason to include Diaz. The Habs don't have a ton of cap space and would likely want to match (or come close to at least) Erat's salary, Diaz and Bourque combined are really close. Otherwise, that's the trade deadline acquisition right there as the rest of their space will be earmarked for bonuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hab29RETIRED Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 To Colorado Lars Eller Josh Gorges 1st Round Pick 2014 To Montreal Ryan O'Reilly To Washington Raphael Diaz Rene Bourque To Montreal Martin Erat O'Reilly - Plekanec - Gionta Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher Erat - Bourque - Moen Prust - Bournival - Leblanc Subban - Markov Emelin - Beaulieu Murray - Tinordi No Way I'd make either of those deals. I think we'd be overpaying to Colorado. That is almost as bad as the overpayment of McDonough for Gomez, given what O'Rielly's QO will be. Erat is even a biger cap hit than Bourque and not sure if term is longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neech Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 The Habs don't have a ton of cap space and would likely want to match (or come close to at least) Erat's salary, Diaz and Bourque combined are really close. Otherwise, that's the trade deadline acquisition right there as the rest of their space will be earmarked for bonuses. Diaz is still worth more than salary filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlbalr Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Diaz is still worth more than salary filler. That's fair, all I'm saying is that salary ballast would need to be added to Bourque. Given his low price, he'd be a prime candidate in that scenario although I'd like to think the Habs would be smart enough to get some sort of compensation (pick/prospect) for him to be in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 To Colorado Lars Eller Josh Gorges 1st Round Pick 2014 To Montreal Ryan O'Reilly To Washington Raphael Diaz Rene Bourque To Montreal Martin Erat O'Reilly - Plekanec - Gionta Pacioretty - Desharnais - Gallagher Erat - Bourque - Moen Prust - Bournival - Leblanc Subban - Markov Emelin - Beaulieu Murray - Tinordi you do realise you have bourque on line 3 with erat. Don't think that works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine of Loving Grace Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Meant Briere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illWill Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 This is the trade proposal thread so here are a couple proposals... Gorges, Pleks, and Sven to Colorado for ROR and McGinn Diaz, Pacioretty, Bournival, Fucale and a pick to Winnipeg for Buff and Kane Emelin, Leblanc and Bourque to Edmonton for Yak Moen and Murray to L.A. for King Gionta to N.J. for draft pick Briere to Anaheim for draft pick DD and Markov to Chicago for Saad Picks and Prospects to Nashville for Josi Subban Tinordi Josi Beaulieu Pateryn Boullion/Drewiske Buff - ROR - Gallagher Kane - Gally - Yak Saad - Eller - McGinn King - White - Prust These trade proposals are actually really thought out for both sides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs rule Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Meant Briere. I kinda thought that, just giving you a hard time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DON Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thomas Vanek, big winger, soon to be UFA. What would Isles demand for him? A lot of teams would be bidding for him, as a rental, I assume and would be a better summer target for Habs eh? On cheap side, a Brad Boyes could be quite a steal at $1m/year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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