Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[TurdBurglar]

15 minutes ago, DON said:

I strongly feel, if Leafs-Boston-Sens-Wings-TB-Florida want any of  Edmundson, Anderson, Hoffman, Drouin, Monahan, Wideman, Armia, Allen... it should be strongly considered, if makes sense for good value picks/prospects. 

No?

With being in a rebuild, the only considerations should be the best offer and not what team the trade is with.  Any trade now won’t be making a huge difference on the other team by the time this team is ready to contend.

[DON]

1 minute ago, TurdBurglar said:

With being in a rebuild, the only considerations should be the best offer and not what team the trade is with.  Any trade now won’t be making a huge difference on the other team by the time this team is ready to contend.

100% agree and i wouldnt hesitate to trade with anyone.

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

7 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

With being in a rebuild, the only considerations should be the best offer and not what team the trade is with.  

 

100%, best offer regardless of team and I have no doubt that Hughes feels the same way. 

[tomh009]

I care much more about the Habs' success in the next five years than the depth of the Leafs' playoff run next spring (as happy as I am to see them fail). So, if the deal is right, I have no problem with it.

 

In any case, I expect that neither Hughes or Gorton has that deeply-held disgust for the Leafs.

[TurdBurglar]

Pittsburgh may be looking to move Kapanen because his production has dropped off.  They would need to do a money out for money in deal.  Kapanen also has a 2 year $3.2m contract.  They may also accept a change-of-scenery player of equal value in return.

 

What if the Habs traded Dadanov, retaining salary?

 

Or Drouin, retaining salary, and Pittsburgh adding a sweetener.

 

Either player going to Pittsburgh has an expiring contract so Pittsburgh frees up $3.2m next season, and gets a player that could start producing.  Montreal gets a reclamation project for next season.

[DON]

5 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

What if the Habs traded Dadanov, retaining salary?

 

Or Drouin, retaining salary, and Pittsburgh adding a sweetener.

 

Cant see any team wanting Dadanov. And Drouin likely not very attractive for anyone neither.

 

But would love to see both gone tomorrow, vs walking in April but i think that will be how they leave.,

[alfredoh2009]

58 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

Pittsburgh may be looking to move Kapanen because his production has dropped off.  They would need to do a money out for money in deal.  Kapanen also has a 2 year $3.2m contract.  They may also accept a change-of-scenery player of equal value in return.

 

What if the Habs traded Dadanov, retaining salary?

 

Or Drouin, retaining salary, and Pittsburgh adding a sweetener.

 

Either player going to Pittsburgh has an expiring contract so Pittsburgh frees up $3.2m next season, and gets a player that could start producing.  Montreal gets a reclamation project for next season.

 Habs players in that cap hit range are Armia, Dach, Byron, Edmundson, Savard,

 

Byron would provide them the LTIR room for other trades and being an expiring contract would free them up to trade for someone with term. The cherry on the top for PIT would be getting Byron back for the playoffs.

 

Edmundson would be a good addition for PIT, he could renew his success with Petry on another cup run. I do not see the benefit for MTL in getting Kapanen for Eddy.

[alfredoh2009]

3 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

Pittsburgh may be looking to move Kapanen because his production has dropped off.  They would need to do a money out for money in deal.  Kapanen also has a 2 year $3.2m contract.  They may also accept a change-of-scenery player of equal value in return.

 

What if the Habs traded Dadanov, retaining salary?

 

Or Drouin, retaining salary, and Pittsburgh adding a sweetener.

 

Either player going to Pittsburgh has an expiring contract so Pittsburgh frees up $3.2m next season, and gets a player that could start producing.  Montreal gets a reclamation project for next season.

 

Taking about PIT: I hope Letang gets better soon:

Letang: “I am fortunate to know my body well enough to recognize when something isn’t right. While it is difficult to navigate this issue publicly, I am hopeful it can raise awareness. It is important for me that my teammates, family, and the fans know that I am okay...

— Pittsburgh Penguins (@penguins) November 30, 2022

 

[Commandant]

Dadanov and Drouin they will try to move, both with salary retention, and likely close to the deadline when the cap hit for the acquiring team is minimal. 

 

I don't see why we would add Kapanen's salary for next season in this trade though, because worst case scenario, just let Dadanov and Drouin walk as UFAs and we have the cap space to use, instead of taking on another bad contract like Kapanen for next season.  

[dlbalr]

8 hours ago, TurdBurglar said:

Pittsburgh may be looking to move Kapanen because his production has dropped off.  They would need to do a money out for money in deal.  Kapanen also has a 2 year $3.2m contract.  They may also accept a change-of-scenery player of equal value in return.

 

What if the Habs traded Dadanov, retaining salary?

 

Or Drouin, retaining salary, and Pittsburgh adding a sweetener.

 

Either player going to Pittsburgh has an expiring contract so Pittsburgh frees up $3.2m next season, and gets a player that could start producing.  Montreal gets a reclamation project for next season.

 

I think you can drop the 'may' from that first sentence.  They're definitely looking to move him; he's a $3.2 million healthy scratch.  There has been speculation for a couple of weeks now that he's heading for waivers at some point.

 

But taking on the contract for next year is a non-starter for the Habs unless they're moving out someone signed beyond this season to offset it.  Hoffman could in theory fit the bill but then it'd be Montreal retaining to even out the money.  Is a burned retention slot and dead cap space for next season worth it to take a flyer on Kapanen?  It's probably not the direction I'd look to go.

[DON]

Edmonton fella mentioned Oilers "Might" need to part with this kid to get Edmundson.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/341629/xavier-bourgault

 

20yr old RH d-man producing some as a rookie in AHL. Seems exactly the type that Hughes would target?

 

 

[TurdBurglar]

This rumor has been hanging around for a few weeks now for what it's worth.  The biggest issue for the Oilers is their results has been so inconsistent that I'm not sure they make the trade.  Thus far Campbell has been a bust and Skinner, the goalie that they didn't want to hand the starting reigns over to, is now apparently their starter.  Their position in the Western conference isn't as solid as they would hope, with Colorado nipping at their heels in the wildcard spot.

 

What this all means is they are in a sticky situation.  It's well in the realm of possibility they don't make the playoffs unless they can figure something out.  If they wait too long, that could be even more of a reality.  If they pull the trigger too early, they have cap issues to deal with once Kane returns, and that doesn't guarantee they will be safely into a playoff spot then either.  If they give up a premium RD and they don't make the playoffs, it's a bigger loss than just not making the playoffs. 

 

If Montreal does manage to pull this off, I would fully expect Puljujarvi to be apart of that trade as well.  Oilers can't seem to give him away and would need to address their potential cap situation at the same time rather than wait.

[dlbalr]

30 minutes ago, DON said:

Edmonton fella mentioned Oilers "Might" need to part with this kid to get Edmundson.

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/341629/xavier-bourgault

 

20yr old RH d-man producing some as a rookie in AHL. Seems exactly the type that Hughes would target?

 

Bourgault is actually a centre, not a d-man.  The big thing will be matching money as I'm not sure the Habs will want to retain on Edmundson.

[alfredoh2009]

56 minutes ago, TurdBurglar said:

This rumor has been hanging around for a few weeks now for what it's worth.  The biggest issue for the Oilers is their results has been so inconsistent that I'm not sure they make the trade.  Thus far Campbell has been a bust and Skinner, the goalie that they didn't want to hand the starting reigns over to, is now apparently their starter.  Their position in the Western conference isn't as solid as they would hope, with Colorado nipping at their heels in the wildcard spot.

 

What this all means is they are in a sticky situation.  It's well in the realm of possibility they don't make the playoffs unless they can figure something out.  If they wait too long, that could be even more of a reality.  If they pull the trigger too early, they have cap issues to deal with once Kane returns, and that doesn't guarantee they will be safely into a playoff spot then either.  If they give up a premium RD and they don't make the playoffs, it's a bigger loss than just not making the playoffs. 

 

If Montreal does manage to pull this off, I would fully expect Puljujarvi to be apart of that trade as well.  Oilers can't seem to give him away and would need to address their potential cap situation at the same time rather than wait.

How about:

To Edmonton:

Edmundson ($3.5M until 2024)

Evans           ($1.7M until 2025

                     =$4.2M

 

To Montreal:

Puljujarvi      ($3.0M until 2023)

Ryan             ($1.25M until 2023) for Money in/Money out

Raphael Lavoie

                     =$4.25M

 

Habs get a very good prospect, Edmonton gets a rugged stay at home D that performs well in the playoffs and a good PK specialist with very good FO%

[TurdBurglar]

7 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

How about:

To Edmonton:

Edmundson ($3.5M until 2024)

Evans           ($1.7M until 2025

                     =$4.2M

 

To Montreal:

Puljujarvi      ($3.0M until 2023)

Ryan             ($1.25M until 2023) for Money in/Money out

Raphael Lavoie

                     =$4.25M

 

Habs get a very good prospect, Edmonton gets a rugged stay at home D that performs well in the playoffs and a good PK specialist with very good FO%

I’m not sure why we would be trading away Evans just to take on Ryan.  
 

Lavoie seems like a great pickup, but his issue is consistency.  I feel like with the proposed trade, Edmonton is getting 2 players to solve problems, while Montreal is taking on Edmonton’s cap issues with very little return.

[alfredoh2009]

1 minute ago, TurdBurglar said:

I’m not sure why we would be trading away Evans just to take on Ryan.  
 

Lavoie seems like a great pickup, but his issue is consistency.  I feel like with the proposed trade, Edmonton is getting 2 players to solve problems, while Montreal is taking on Edmonton’s cap issues with very little return.

 

Evans may be one body check away from concussion LTIR and has zero offensive production. He would fit on a team like Edmonton that has lots of top-line fire power.

Giving EDM better defensive players within their cap room is worth  the risk if the Habs get Lavoie

[GHT120]

1 minute ago, alfredoh2009 said:

... if the Habs get Lavoie

 

I'm not so excited about Lavoie ... this is his 3rd year pro and he has neither played an NHL game nor excelled in the AHL ... seems like the second piece in a deal, not the reason to make it. 

[dlbalr]

10 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

I'm not so excited about Lavoie ... this is his 3rd year pro and he has neither played an NHL game nor excelled in the AHL ... seems like the second piece in a deal, not the reason to make it. 

 

Same here.  They can do better than that if they move Edmundson now.

[alfredoh2009]

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2019/04/13/raphael-lavoie-scouting-report/

 

"Perhaps the most difficult prospect in the Oilers’ system to get a read on is Raphael Lavoie."

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/335712/raphael-lavoie

 

Make or Break year?

https://theathletic.com/3523341/2022/08/20/edmonton-oilers-raphael-lavoie-prospect/

 

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I say, with the Habs skills and development staff, he could do very well.. Dach-like

Edited December 9, 2022 by alfredoh2009
added reference to Dach

[alfredoh2009]

5 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

Same here.  They can do better than that if they move Edmundson now.

 

Edmundson has reverted to how he played in CAR, the player you were skeptical about when MB signed him.

 

I though at the time that he would complement Petry well, and since Petry left, he has not been any good.

 

EDM would be a good fit

[TurdBurglar]

I agree Edmonton would be a good fit. I would be after Broberg.

 

Edmundson for Puljujarvi + Broberg.

 

A current top-4 defenseman, to a team in need, for a cap problem and a future top-4 defenceman.

 

 

[dlbalr]

19 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

Edmundson has reverted to how he played in CAR, the player you were skeptical about when MB signed him.

 

I though at the time that he would complement Petry well, and since Petry left, he has not been any good.

 

EDM would be a good fit

 

But you're selling low if you move him for that package.  If the Habs want Lavoie, they might be able to claim him on waivers next October. 

 

I agree that Edmonton is a good fit for Edmundson.  I disagree that Lavoie is a prospect that should be the focal point of a trade as Puljujarvi is more salary ballast than valuable asset.

 

Montreal is under no obligation to move Edmundson this season.  They're going to set the bar high and if their price isn't met, they'll wait until next season when they're more willing to retain.

[Commandant]

37 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2019/04/13/raphael-lavoie-scouting-report/

 

"Perhaps the most difficult prospect in the Oilers’ system to get a read on is Raphael Lavoie."

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/335712/raphael-lavoie

 

Make or Break year?

https://theathletic.com/3523341/2022/08/20/edmonton-oilers-raphael-lavoie-prospect/

 

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I say, with the Habs skills and development staff, he could do very well.. Dach-like

 

My reports in 2019 are not valid in 2022.  Much has changed over 3 years, including his disappointing AHL play that was not included when I wrote this three years ago. 

[Commandant]

 

 

[Commandant]

10 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

But you're selling low if you move him for that package.  If the Habs want Lavoie, they might be able to claim him on waivers next October. 

 

I agree that Edmonton is a good fit for Edmundson.  I disagree that Lavoie is a prospect that should be the focal point of a trade as Puljujarvi is more salary ballast than valuable asset.

 

Montreal is under no obligation to move Edmundson this season.  They're going to set the bar high and if their price isn't met, they'll wait until next season when they're more willing to retain.

 

Agreed.

 

The only reason to move Edmundson is if someone offers a Chiarot like package, there is no reason to sell him for the proposed deal which is pennies on the dollar.