Permanent Trade Proposal Thread

[alfredoh2009]

 

Interesting "potential" D trade market is starting to form:

Chychrun
Gavrikov
Gostisbehere
Ekholm
Klingberg
Edmundson
Shattenkirk
Luke Schenn
McCabe?
Provorov? Sounds like it maybe.
Erik Karlsson? Maybe!
Dumba?
Gudas?
Sean Walker?
Megna?

My opinion? Lots of overpays coming.

— Brennan Klak (@nhlupdate) January 10, 2023

 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

1 minute ago, alfredoh2009 said:

 

 

 

I think it’s one of those “phoney war” situations where everyone is waiting for the first shot to be fired, i.e., the trade that will establish what market value is in this context. To switch to a different metaphor, expect a bunch of movement after the first domino falls.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

Colorado loses to Chicago last night. A long way to go but I wonder if Joe Sakic is starting to get concerned?  Colorado, Calgary and Edmonton were probably considered sure bets for a playoff spot before the season started but with Seattle's emergence it looks like 1 of those 3 will come up short. I expect a lot of trades this year. 

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

2 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Colorado loses to Chicago last night. A long way to go but I wonder if Joe Sakic is starting to get concerned?  Colorado, Calgary and Edmonton were probably considered sure bets for a playoff spot before the season started but with Seattle's emergence it looks like 1 of those 3 will come up short. I expect a lot of trades this year. 

 

I just can't see Colorado losing a stretch drive against Calgary and especially Edmonton. The Oilers are simply not a well-constructed team. 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

2 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

 

I just can't see Colorado losing a stretch drive against Calgary and especially Edmonton. The Oilers are simply not a well-constructed team. 

 

I tend to agree and that's why I think we could see a lot of trades as it would be a disaster for the Oilers or Flames to miss the playoffs. Heads will roll. It doesn't look like Seattle is going away and that has really changed the playoff race in the Western Conference, plus Winnipeg is much improved. 

[TheDriveFor25]

With McDavid and Drai, I can’t see Oilers missing. People would lose their jobs.

 

Edmonton is a team I would target.. would they move Broberg or Holloway?

 

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

6 minutes ago, TheDriveFor25 said:

With McDavid and Drai, I can’t see Oilers missing. People would lose their jobs.

 

Edmonton is a team I would target.. would they move Broberg or Holloway?

 

 

There is no question that the Oilers are in "win-now" mode. Still a long way to go but if the Oilers are in the same spot a month from now then I expect Holland to get very busy. The Oilers will likely need to beat out either Calgary or Colorado for the last wild card spot unless LA or Vegas fall apart. Seattle looks like a solid team. 

 

Broberg or Holloway would definitely be my targets from the Oilers. 

[TurdBurglar]

Up to this point Broberg and the 1st round pick were untouchables for the Oilers.  I've been seeing lately, especially in the Chychurn rumors, Broberg being a necessity to be a replacement defenseman in most trade scenarios.

 

It will be interesting to see what happens there as expectations for Holland has to be playoffs or he may not have a job with the Oilers.

 

I really believe Edmundson will end up an Oiler before the season is out.  I expect that trade would make Puljujarvi a Canadien too.  The real question is what else will Hughes pull out of Edmonton?

[The Chicoutimi Cucumber]

The problem is that there are so many defencemen on the market. We may not be able to get the king's ransom for Edmundson that we'd normally expect for a playoff-tested Cup-ring-wearing veteran defenceman. (Not that Edmundson is some superstar, but he's the kind of commodity that normally commands an overpayment at the deadline; see Chiarot, Ben). Certainly any GM will be going after Chychrun first, with Edmundson a consolation prize; and even then, you might be willing to make a play for Luke Schenn instead if the Habs' asking price seems too high.

 

It'll be interesting. I'm really curious how the trade market will unfold this year.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

14 minutes ago, The Chicoutimi Cucumber said:

The problem is that there are so many defencemen on the market. We may not be able to get the king's random for Edmundson that we'd normally expect for a playoff-tested Cup-ring-wearing veteran defenceman. (Not that Edmundson is some superstar, but he's the kind of commodity that normally commands an overpayment at the deadline; see Chiarot, Ben). Certainly any GM will be going after Chychrun first, with Edmundson a consolation prize; and even then, you might be willing to make a play for Luke Schenn instead if the Habs' asking price seems too high.

 

It'll be interesting. I'm really curious how the trade market will unfold this year.

 

Many posters said the same thing last year about many defensemen on the market and we still did very well with Chiarot.  GM's always overpay at the deadline and tough physical defensemen are at a premium as referees sometimes put the the whistle in their pocket come playoff time so guys like Edmundson can play their game a bit more. 

[alfredoh2009]

I still like my trade proposal of:

Edmundson($3.5M/'24) & Evans($1.7M/'25) = $5.2M

for Puljujarvi($3.0M/'23) & Ryan($1.25M/'23) & Raphael Lavoie(RW'19) = $4.25M (expiring contracts)

 

instead of trading for Broberg who is an LD. Specially given these recent articles:

https://oilersnation.com/news/the-edmonton-oilers-prospect-report-raphael-lavoie-and-the-tale-of-two-twenty-year-olds

 

https://theathletic.com/4058503/2023/01/06/oilers-lavoie-bourgault-condors-scoring/

 

[TurdBurglar]

2 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I still like my trade proposal of:

Edmundson($3.5M/'24) & Evans($1.7M/'25) = $5.2M

for Puljujarvi($3.0M/'23) & Ryan($1.25M/'23) & Raphael Lavoie(RW'19) = $4.25M (expiring contracts)

 

instead of trading for Broberg who is an LD. Specially given these recent articles:

https://oilersnation.com/news/the-edmonton-oilers-prospect-report-raphael-lavoie-and-the-tale-of-two-twenty-year-olds

 

https://theathletic.com/4058503/2023/01/06/oilers-lavoie-bourgault-condors-scoring/

 

The problem with your proposal is if you remove Edmundson and Evans, the trade is just about fair.  The Oilers will have to give something up to trade Puljujarvi, maybe just Lavoie as his value is on the decline.  So the actual trade, money aside, is Edmundson and Evans for Ryan.  

Speculation is Edmundson alone could be worth as much as a 1st round pick.

 

With his age and contract, Evans for Ryan straight up is a win for Edmonton.

 

This doesn’t factor in Montreal giving up on a young center, with 3 years left at a reasonable AAV.  He probably never will be a top-6 center, but it’s a really good contract for a bottom-6 center.

[Commandant]

Lavoie is a 22 year old who has 6 goals in the AHL this year, his third AHL season. 

 

Puljujarvi has 9 points in 43 games this year, he's on pace for fewer than 20 points on a full season.  He will be an RFA this summer, and is unlikely to get a qualiying offer.

 

Ryan is a 36 year old 4th liner with 9 points this year.

 

I wouldn't trade Evans for all three of them, never mind Edmundson.   

 

I don't understand what value there is here... a 22 year old looking like a bust in the AHL, and a disappointing former 3rd overall pick who will be a UFA as he isn't worth his qualifying offer.  Why would the Habs do this?

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

4 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I still like my trade proposal of:

Edmundson($3.5M/'24) & Evans($1.7M/'25) = $5.2M

for Puljujarvi($3.0M/'23) & Ryan($1.25M/'23) & Raphael Lavoie(RW'19) = $4.25M (expiring contracts)

 

instead of trading for Broberg who is an LD. Specially given these recent articles:

https://oilersnation.com/news/the-edmonton-oilers-prospect-report-raphael-lavoie-and-the-tale-of-two-twenty-year-olds

 

https://theathletic.com/4058503/2023/01/06/oilers-lavoie-bourgault-condors-scoring/

 

 

Broberg is a LD but such an elite skater that you don't worry about what side he plays as there is stud potential there. The big knock on Lavoie is consistency and that's why he fell so far in the draft his draft year. I think he is starting to run out of time.  I don't see any reason to trade Evans as he is on a team friendly contract and is rebounding from a slow start. 

 

If I am giving up Edmondson and Evans and taking on an expiring contracts in Puljujarvi and Ryan  then I want a whole lot more than Lavoie. It's Holloway or Broberg or a #1 pick, maybe Bourgault otherwise I am talking to the next GM. 

[TurdBurglar]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Broberg is a LD but such an elite skater that you don't worry about what side he plays as there is stud potential there. The big knock on Lavoie is consistency and that's why he fell so far in the draft his draft year. I think he is starting to run out of time.  I don't see any reason to trade Evans as he is on a team friendly contract and is rebounding from a slow start. 

 

If I am giving up Edmondson and Evans and taking on an expiring contracts in Puljujarvi and Ryan  then I want a whole lot more than Lavoie. It's Holloway or Broberg or a #1 pick, maybe Bourgault otherwise I am talking to the next GM. 

Totally agree.  Up to this point Broberg and the 1st are being reported as untouchable.  As I pointed out before, I don't know if there's a job for Holland after this season if the Oilers don't make the playoffs.  So that will probably change his attitude about the untouchables.

[alfredoh2009]

I don’t know much about true EDM prospects besides what I read in them.

if Broberg is untouchable, Bourgault or Savoie may also be out of reach for the Habs. Kostin is already in the NHL (I think). That leaves the inconsistent Lavoie.

 

Habs shed salary, lose a defensive specialist but gain a decent prospect alike Dach, Anderson or Armia. Habs could then sign Monahan and solidify their center depth

 

Just a thought

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

6 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I don’t know much about true EDM prospects besides what I read in them.

if Broberg is untouchable, Bourgault or Savoie may also be out of reach for the Habs. Kostin is already in the NHL (I think). That leaves the inconsistent Lavoie.

 

Habs shed salary, lose a defensive specialist but gain a decent prospect alike Dach, Anderson or Armia. Habs could then sign Monahan and solidify their center depth

 

Just a thought

 

If the goal is to shed salary then there are bigger fish to fry than Edmundson (3.5M) and Evans (1.7M) who are on pretty good contracts. 

[dlbalr]

7 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

I don’t know much about true EDM prospects besides what I read in them.

if Broberg is untouchable, Bourgault or Savoie may also be out of reach for the Habs. Kostin is already in the NHL (I think). That leaves the inconsistent Lavoie.

 

Habs shed salary, lose a defensive specialist but gain a decent prospect alike Dach, Anderson or Armia. Habs could then sign Monahan and solidify their center depth

 

Just a thought

 

There's no evidence to suggest that Lavoie is a decent prospect though.  It's his third AHL season and he can't crack the top-six in Bakersfield which is a red flag.  He's waiver-eligible next season and there's a very good chance Edmonton will waive him as he's not NHL-ready or even close to it.  Why make him the focal point of your offer?  He's a throw-in at best that the Habs could get for free in training camp next year if they really wanted him for some reason.  Kostin, meanwhile, cleared waivers already if you want an idea of his value.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

1 hour ago, dlbalr said:

  Kostin, meanwhile, cleared waivers already if you want an idea of his value.

 

Speaking of Kostin, he has caught fire, 5 goals in 7 games, big, strong and can fight. Still only 23, looking like a great acquisition for the Oilers. 

[Commandant]

1 hour ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

If the goal is to shed salary then there are bigger fish to fry than Edmundson (3.5M) and Evans (1.7M) who are on pretty good contracts. 

 

Exactly.

 

Edmundson has value.  Look at chiarot.  Maybe you dont get as much as chiarot got, but you dont need to.throw him away for an AhL bust, a 36 year old 4th liner, and an rfa.who isnt worth his qualifying offer.

 

This is quitr simply a horrible deal.  One of the worst ive seen proposed on here.

[GHT120]

8 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

... Habs could then sign Monahan and solidify their center depth

 

Just a thought

 

IMO Monahan remains a risk for an extension ... he has missed 40% of the Habs games thus far this season ... I would consider re-signing him if the market for the right deal (2-3 years at a modest AAV) ... but I think the assets he hopefully brings at the deadline are more important at this point.

[Commandant]

And if you dont know much about Edmonton prospects and you put one out there once... and like 4 or 5 posters tell you hes shit... maybe take their word for it and stop adding him to trade offers as the key piece of.the package.

[Habs Fan in Edmonton]

14 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

IMO Monahan remains a risk for an extension ... he has missed 40% of the Habs games thus far this season ... I would consider re-signing him if the market for the right deal (2-3 years at a modest AAV) ... but I think the assets he hopefully brings at the deadline are more important at this point.

 

I agree, as much as I like Monahan and what he brings I think they need to stick to the rebuilding plan.  That's assuming they get a good return for him which I think they will if he's healthy.  I think Colorado will be interested. 

[GHT120]

There is another factor in all the Oilers proposals ... Evander Kane is expected back in the next couple of weeks ... he is on LTIR so they need to clear $5.125M (all figures full season to avoid pro-rating everything) to fit him under the cap before they make any other moves ... at a glance, unless they trade Kane, Puljujärvi ($3M, pending RFA) and Foegele ($2.75M for another season) seem like the likely candidates ... the Oilers may well have to "pay" to get rid of them ... the Habs have just under $700K in cap space, so no room to take on any significant contracts until other players are moved.

 

Unless a market for Dadonov develops in the next 2-3 weeks, it may be time to waive him and save what little ($1.125) they can on the cap ... if they were really lucky he would refuse to report and they could suspend him ... but that is unlikely as this is the highest actual salary season of his contract.

 

[dlbalr]

26 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

Speaking of Kostin, he has caught fire, 5 goals in 7 games, big, strong and can fight. Still only 23, looking like a great acquisition for the Oilers. 

 

They might to have to put him back on waivers soon even with his recent performance.  Evander Kane is ahead of schedule so they're going to need to cut down to a minimum-sized roster to get cap-compliant to activate him from LTIR.  He's probably on the fringes right now.