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2 minutes ago, dlbalr said:

 

He'd help with the tank but he's not an NHL-calibre player.  He also doesn't fit the style of play the Habs are trying to get to.  There will be better fits available on waivers if you want to pick someone up simply to allow Belzile or Ylonen to go down.

 

You don't pick up a player to help with the tank. What kind of message would that send to the other young players in the organization?  You pick up a player because you think there is some untapped potential that could develop into something positive within your organization. 

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6 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

You don't pick up a player to help with the tank. What kind of message would that send to the other young players in the organization?  You pick up a player because you think there is some untapped potential that could develop into something positive within your organization. 

 

Well OFFICIALLY that is why you pick him up ... hopeful of a silver lining ... but inside the management offices to help the tank might be a good reason.

 

HOWEVER ... not advocating picking him up ... the Habs only have 4 open contract slots ... one likely needed for Farrell ... the three others could easily be used for Struble, NCAA free agents and/or to take on expiring bad contracts in deadline lines ... no reason to claim him, best to keep options open.

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31 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

Well OFFICIALLY that is why you pick him up ... hopeful of a silver lining ... but inside the management offices to help the tank might be a good reason.

 

HOWEVER ... not advocating picking him up ... the Habs only have 4 open contract slots ... one likely needed for Farrell ... the three others could easily be used for Struble, NCAA free agents and/or to take on expiring bad contracts in deadline lines ... no reason to claim him, best to keep options open.

If we pick up a silver lining reclamation project, I’d rather pick up a guy like Puljarjarvi, who I think has more upside, but taking the cap hit off the oilers, and giving them a guy like moving a Edmondson, should still allow us to get a first rounder plus another puck or decent prospect. 

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5 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

If we pick up a silver lining reclamation project, I’d rather pick up a guy like Puljarjarvi, who I think has more upside, but taking the cap hit off the oilers, and giving them a guy like moving a Edmondson, should still allow us to get a first rounder plus another puck or decent prospect. 

Totally agree ... as I said, I was not in favour of claiming Bellows, just analyzing in the abstract ... Puljujärvi would definitely be worth a look-see, MSL might unlock something and if not no-harm/no-foul come July.

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6 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

If we pick up a silver lining reclamation project, I’d rather pick up a guy like Puljarjarvi, who I think has more upside, but taking the cap hit off the oilers, and giving them a guy like moving a Edmondson, should still allow us to get a first rounder plus another puck or decent prospect. 

I think Hugo should prioritize drafting and trading for prospects who have names that are easy to spell. 😂

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Just now, tomh009 said:

I think Hugo should prioritize drafting and trading for prospects who have names that are easy to spell. 😂

That’s probably how we ended up Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, and Jason Ward in the 90’s, while everyone else was drafting a lot of Swedes and Russians.

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10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

That’s probably how we ended up Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, and Jason Ward in the 90’s, while everyone else was drafting a lot of Swedes and Russians.

 Good memory!  Now if they draft Will Smith we will know they are continuing with the plan. 

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57 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

  Now if they draft Will Smith we will know they are continuing with the plan. 

He will also b*tch-slap Bettman on the draft stage perhaps?

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1 hour ago, hab29RETIRED said:

If we pick up a silver lining reclamation project, I’d rather pick up a guy like Puljarjarvi, who I think has more upside, but taking the cap hit off the oilers, and giving them a guy like moving a Edmondson, should still allow us to get a first rounder plus another puck or decent prospect. 

 

Keep in mind that the recent speculation of Puljujarvi being waived in the coming days is that they have to clear money to activate Yamamoto.  If Puljujarvi is the cap casualty, they can't afford Edmundson who makes more money.

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with Perfetti out, I believe this may be a good opportunity for a trade:

 

To WPG Dadonov (50% $5M) + Wideman($0.76M) and Norlinder and a 2023 4th round pick that may become a 3rd after advancing past the 1st playoff round and may become a 2nd after after advancing past the 2nd playoff round (improvement for taking Dadonov and Wideman)

 

To MTL Lundmark (AHL, RD) and a their 2023 2nd round pick

 

WPG gets a possible replacement for Perfetti's production (51gp 8g 22a 30pts, 0.59ppg)  production in Dadonov (48gp 4g 14a 18pts, 0.38ppg) and a depth-D that can help in the power play. Norlinder is a long-shot, but a good addition  to their prospect pool.

 

MTL gets a RD that would complement any of the up and coming LDs that will be a good addition to Laval and may emerge as a decent bottom-pair D. The late 2nd round pick in 2023 is nice.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

with Perfetti out, I believe this may be a good opportunity for a trade:

 

To WPG Dadonov (50% $5M) + Wideman($0.76M) and Norlinder and a 2023 4th round pick that may become a 3rd after advancing past the 1st playoff round and may become a 2nd after after advancing past the 2nd playoff round (improvement for taking Dadonov and Wideman)

 

To MTL Lundmark (AHL, RD) and a their 2023 2nd round pick

 

WPG gets a possible replacement for Perfetti's production (51gp 8g 22a 30pts, 0.59ppg)  production in Dadonov (48gp 4g 14a 18pts, 0.38ppg) and a depth-D that can help in the power play. Norlinder is a long-shot, but a good addition  to their prospect pool.

 

MTL gets a RD that would complement any of the up and coming LDs that will be a good addition to Laval and may emerge as a decent bottom-pair D. The late 2nd round pick in 2023 is nice.

 

 

If I’m Winnipeg, I’m trading for a a legit player and no way in hell do I waste cap space on dogs like Dadanov or Wideman.

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10 minutes ago, hab29RETIRED said:

If I’m Winnipeg, I’m trading for a a legit player and no way in hell do I waste cap space on dogs like Dadanov or Wideman.

 

Depends on the cost, I think Dadonov might be good value for a team as he has played very well recently and I don't think that has gone unnoticed. Of course Mtl eats 50%. I definitely think there will be some interest from teams. 

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6 minutes ago, Habs Fan in Edmonton said:

 

Depends on the cost, I think Dadonov might be good value for a team as he has played very well recently and I don't think that has gone unnoticed. Of course Mtl eats 50%. I definitely think there will be some interest from teams. 

I agree ... but I don't expect it will be for anything of any value ... I would be amazed if it was more than a 2023 4th or an AHL-level prospect.

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1 hour ago, GHT120 said:

I agree ... but I don't expect it will be for anything of any value ... I would be amazed if it was more than a 2023 4th or an AHL-level prospect.

 

I am thinking 4th, maybe a 3rd.  I never would have said that a few months ago. 

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52 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

I agree ... but I don't expect it will be for anything of any value ... I would be amazed if it was more than a 2023 4th or an AHL-level prospect.

It really depends on where else they would find a similar level of player, and at what price.

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3 hours ago, alfredoh2009 said:

with Perfetti out, I believe this may be a good opportunity for a trade:

 

To WPG Dadonov (50% $5M) + Wideman($0.76M) and Norlinder and a 2023 4th round pick that may become a 3rd after advancing past the 1st playoff round and may become a 2nd after after advancing past the 2nd playoff round (improvement for taking Dadonov and Wideman)

 

To MTL Lundmark (AHL, RD) and a their 2023 2nd round pick

 

Or they can take Dadonov with 50% retention for a fifth-round pick and forget all the other stuff.  That would make more sense for them and avoid the complications involving Montreal trading a draft pick that's contingent on how another team performs in the playoffs.  That's unheard of.

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1 hour ago, dlbalr said:

 

Or they can take Dadonov with 50% retention for a fifth-round pick and forget all the other stuff.  That would make more sense for them and avoid the complications involving Montreal trading a draft pick that's contingent on how another team performs in the playoffs.  That's unheard of.


well, ai was looking for a young RD and also wanted to avoid loosing a 2nd round pick.

I was trying to pry away more value out of this trade :spamafote:

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21 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

well, ai was looking for a young RD and also wanted to avoid loosing a 2nd round pick.

I was trying to pry away more value out of this trade :spamafote:

 

You're not offering anything of value with the other pieces though.  Wideman has zero value to Winnipeg, he'd be 10th or lower on their depth chart not to mention the fact that he's out for several weeks at least.  Norlinder's value is at an all-time low with the year he's having and he'd be lower than Wideman on their depth chart.  Adding these pieces doesn't add value for them.  Lundmark's not that valuable of a prospect (he's okay but nothing special) so simplify things.  Dadonov could fit in Winnipeg if they strike out on everything else.  If that happens, it'll be a simple deal, not one that involves four players and two draft picks. 

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It is hard to find any player with value to trade from the Habs.

I straight trade of Norlinder for Lundmark would not move the needle . I knew that

 

Dadonov for a fith is not much better.

 

When I looked at WPG, they seemed to be missing someone like Wideman was in his good games. A PP specialist.

 

so I put pieces together like you said. Well, back to watching old Marvel series. Iron Fist is ok, much better that watching the Habs right now 

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2 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

It is hard to find any player with value to trade from the Habs.

I straight trade of Norlinder for Lundmark would not move the needle . I knew that

 

Dadonov for a fith is not much better.

 

When I looked at WPG, they seemed to be missing someone like Wideman was in his good games. A PP specialist.

 

You're not doing a Dadonov trade to move the needle.  You're doing a Dadonov trade to try to salvage something of value.  Most deadline deals are player for pick or prospect for prospect, not the type of framework you're suggesting.  The offseason is when the more complicated deals like that happen.

 

Also, how exactly is Wideman a PP specialist this season?  He has two assists in 50:51 of ice time.  Last year was last year when he was at least competent with the man advantage and again, he's out for a while.  How does an injured defenceman help them right now?  When healthy, he's borderline unplayable and really shouldn't be in the NHL.  Winnipeg has Morrissey and Pionk that can put up points, Schmidt has a few power play goals, and Heinola, who's a pretty good offensive defence prospect, is in the minors.  They're fine for that element.

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9 minutes ago, alfredoh2009 said:

It is hard to find any player with value to trade from the Habs.

I straight trade of Norlinder for Lundmark would not move the needle . I knew that

 

Dadonov for a fith is not much better.

 

When I looked at WPG, they seemed to be missing someone like Wideman was in his good games. A PP specialist.

 

so I put pieces together like you said. Well, back to watching old Marvel series. Iron Fist is ok, much better that watching the Habs right now 

IMO moving Dadonov and/or Drouin will be as much just to show other player/agents that HuGo will "do right" by pending those UFAs, giving them a shot with a playoff team, than any decent return ... Monahan ***MIGHT*** still have a shot at a conditional 2nd, maybe even a VERY high threshold conditional 1st.

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8 minutes ago, GHT120 said:

IMO moving Dadonov and/or Drouin will be as much just to show other player/agents that HuGo will "do right" by pending those UFAs, giving them a shot with a playoff team, than any decent return ... Monahan ***MIGHT*** still have a shot at a conditional 2nd, maybe even a VERY high threshold conditional 1st.

 

I agree, this is a management team that does want to do right by the player.  I think it's very important to them. 

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Josh Anderson has value, but his value is probably more valuable to us. If that makes sense.

 

The only player that should have

more “value” to others is probably Mike Hoffman. A third liner and a powerplay executer to a contender. For a second rounder? Edmonton?


Dadonov as a rental is most likely a injury replacement in the last minute.

 

Edmunsons injury history is problematic, but could be worth it.

 

However, trading any of those could open up for a creative 3-way deal where the Canadiens absorb some caphit. (Thinking about Kane to the Rangers or something like that…)

 

 

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Anderson maybe more likely in off-season deal?

And might be smarter to simply keep Edmundson/Hoffman/Monahan (if stay for cheap), hope they all stay healthy, play well and trade them next year?

But at least Edmundson is on upcoming road trip and maybe still be worth a 2nd round pick, unless injury worries really driven his value down?

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